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Re: DECO ends

kevinhlafferty
 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] DECO ends

 

Can anyone direct me to a drawing or direct end view photo for the DECO ends used on the C&O 5400 series 10'-0" IH box cars, please?  I would like to model one of these cars in N Scale using the IM 10'-0" 1937 AAR box with the Des Plaines Hobbies Viking roof but will need to fabricate the DECO ends.  A search of my available CBCs (1928, 1931 & 1946) did not turn up anything and I also didn't find anything in the Files or Photos sections.  I have found an online 3/4 view photo but would like to find a more direct end view, if possible.

Thanks,
Greg Kennelly


Re: Ps-0 boxcars

mopacfirst
 

Who's AWE?

I couldn't find this listing, but then I'm not looking to bid anyway.  I built one of the F&C cars years ago, and may have used the decals that came in the box.  Spent some time filing the sill tabs and a few other things at an angle on the back side so that the thickness wasn't so obvious.

Ron Merrick


Ca Scale AB brake set: was Detail Associates

Andy Carlson
 

Interesting thing about the HO Cal Scale AB brake set. Like many styrene parts, the C.S. brake set was a flat casting, and each side of the part sprue was derived from the engraved detail on that half of the mold. When being cast in the injection molding machine, the mold's two halves were clamped together and the high pressure molten styrene would be injected into the cavity. As this mold was made decades ago, and many 1000s of shots were made, the mold would eventually start having plastic escaping the cavity at the interface of the clamped together mold halves. This is where "Flash" comes from. The mold machine operator could tighten down the clamping pressure up to a certain point, but the abrasive wear from this constantly squirting out of the molten styrene made the flashing problem even more severe. The solution was to machine the facing portions of these mold halves to restore the tight fit. Unfortunately for the Cal Scale mold, this was done enough times that the mold's cavity got thinner until the air resevoir  portion lost its cylindrical shape and started imitating a football in shape. I suppose a die maker could add some grinding into the mold cavity to restore the proper cylindrical shape, though I don't think that this has ever been done.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Bowser owns the cal scale line so that is correct. 

The statement about having to buy 100 is false.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 21, 2022, at 7:09 PM, ed_mines via groups.io <ed_mines@...> wrote:




AB Brake System

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



Iuse the Cal Scale brass castings almost exclusively.  I prefer working in brass for this  regardless of the medium of the car.  CAL Scale has the dimples for attaching the piping (5 leads).
The last time I bought some the dirt collector was cast as part of the body. Made things a bit simpler. 

Here is an example on a Santa Fe car.

Bill Pardie

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Re: Detail Associates

Brian Carlson
 

Bowser owns the cal scale line so that is correct. 

The statement about having to buy 100 is false.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 21, 2022, at 7:09 PM, ed_mines via groups.io <ed_mines@...> wrote:



My recollection is that at one time Bowser (English's hobby) was selling Cal Scale AB brake sets but you had to buy a lot of them, maybe 100 sets minimum


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Re: Detail Associates

Scott
 

What makes the DA AB brake set better then the others that are available?  I don't think I have ever seen one in person.  As mentioned above they are as rare as hens teeth.

Scott McDonald 


Re: DECO ends

greg kennelly
 

Thanks, Brian.  Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of RPC 35.

Greg Kennelly


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Re: Detail Associates

ed_mines
 

My recollection is that at one time Bowser (English's hobby) was selling Cal Scale AB brake sets but you had to buy a lot of them, maybe 100 sets minimum


Re: AB brake sets -Shapeways

ed_mines
 

They look a little pricey to me and I don't think they are any better than Cal Scale.
At one time Bowser (English's hobby) sold Cal Scale brake components but I think you had to buy a lot of them (100s maybe). Certainly less expensive than $15/2 sets.

Ed Mines


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

Guy Wilber
 



Elden wrote:

“Some GSC cast flats did have tie-downs welded to the side sill at the rim, in the form of steel circles.  See attached.”

All flat cars built new or rebuilt on and after January 1, 1954 were required to be equipped with lading strap anchors.  The details of anchors, locations and modifications to stake pockets were adopted as Standard in 1952 (C-26A). These standards were established to alleviate the cutting of wire and steel banding secured to stake pockets with sharp edges.  The 1956 revision (below) was the addition of the note.

The requirement for cars used in interchange to be fitted with permanent anchors was considered by the AAR’s Car Construction Committee in 1953.  The proposal was submitted to the membership (via letter ballot) and received overwhelming approval.  The new rule was added to the (revised) Interchange Rules, effective January 1, 1953.  As was often the case a year was granted so as to exempt cars under construction or scheduled for construction. 

Interchange Rule 3, Section (f), Paragraph (2) Flat cars built new or rebuilt on and after January 1, 1954 must be equipped with lading strap anchors as shown on Manual page C-26A, or an equivalent arrangement.  From owners. 

In 1955 the rule was revised to backdate the requirement to all cars built new or rebuilt on and after January 1, 1940.  This was to take effect January 1, 1956, but was subsequently extended (yearly) and was still not in force as of January 1, 1961.  

In 1956 Paragraph 2 was renumbered 3.  I’ve included the following to show the complete revised rule.  Again, the 1940 requirement was never in effect during the span of the STMFC.  

Rule 3, Section (f), Paragraph (3) Flat Cars built new or rebuilt on and after January 1, 1954 must be equipped with lading strap anchors as shown on Manual page C-26A, or an equivalent arrangement.  From owners.  Effective January 1, 1957, the foregoing requirement will apply to all flat cars built new or rebuilt on and after January 1, 1940.  From owners.


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 



Re: DECO ends

Brian Carlson
 

There is a diagram in RPC 35. Don’t recall if it is dimensioned. I noticed it looked for the Pullman roof yesterday.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 21, 2022, at 5:54 PM, greg kennelly <greg_kennelly@...> wrote:



Can anyone direct me to a drawing or direct end view photo for the DECO ends used on the C&O 5400 series 10'-0" IH box cars, please?  I would like to model one of these cars in N Scale using the IM 10'-0" 1937 AAR box with the Des Plaines Hobbies Viking roof but will need to fabricate the DECO ends.  A search of my available CBCs (1928, 1931 & 1946) did not turn up anything and I also didn't find anything in the Files or Photos sections.  I have found an online 3/4 view photo but would like to find a more direct end view, if possible.

Thanks,
Greg Kennelly


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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


DECO ends

greg kennelly
 

Can anyone direct me to a drawing or direct end view photo for the DECO ends used on the C&O 5400 series 10'-0" IH box cars, please?  I would like to model one of these cars in N Scale using the IM 10'-0" 1937 AAR box with the Des Plaines Hobbies Viking roof but will need to fabricate the DECO ends.  A search of my available CBCs (1928, 1931 & 1946) did not turn up anything and I also didn't find anything in the Files or Photos sections.  I have found an online 3/4 view photo but would like to find a more direct end view, if possible.

Thanks,
Greg Kennelly


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

They do.  On at least some of these, the cylindrical ones do not.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
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Subject: Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

 

Jeff,

I believe that the larger square openings go all the way through the carbody. They are stake pockets and can be used as tie down points.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Thanks Eldon, I didn't know the holes didn't go all the way through.  Tie down points is what came immediately to mind when I saw the photo.

Jeff White Alma IL

 

On 2/21/2022 9:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Jeff;

 

I am not sure your question was answered, and I never looked at the IC flat specifically, but can speak to another GSC cast flat often referred to as a “Commonwealth” flat.

 

Keep in mind that castings varied by owner and year built.

 

There were two kinds of “holes” in the deck of the flat.  The obvious ones were the square holes cast in as stake pockets.  Some cars had four at each end; these have two.

 

The other, more numerous “holes”, were, from what I was told, “stress-relieving” depressions cast in to minimize chances of cracking in the slowest-cooling portion of the casting.  There are obviously numerous circular depressions in the surface of the casting inboard of the draft gear and bolster.

 

The flats I crawled over had depressions that did NOT go the entire depth of the casting.  I could not figure out a way they were used to secure loads, but I do not know these cars.  They collected a lot of dirt.

 

Some GSC cast flats did have tie-downs welded to the side sill at the rim, in the form of steel circles.  See attached.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
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Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

 

I cam across this photo of IC flats being assembled at the IC's Centralia car shops from frames bought from General Steel Castings.

I've never seen these holes in the steel at each end of the deck. 

Maybe I've just missed them in other photos.

Jeff White Alma IL


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Mobile Icing On The Santa Fe

Eric Hansmann
 

That building is now the Senator John Heinz History Center. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On Feb 21, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

CRZ;

 

I know that a cold storage facility in Pittsburgh used ice cut from Lake Chatauqua in western New York because they had facilities on either end.  There are lots of articles out there on this industry, both before commercial freezing, and after.

 

Chatauqua Ice’s building was next to the big yard in the Strip District.

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

Bruce Smith
 

Jeff,

I believe that the larger square openings go all the way through the carbody. They are stake pockets and can be used as tie down points.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Thanks Eldon, I didn't know the holes didn't go all the way through.  Tie down points is what came immediately to mind when I saw the photo.

Jeff White Alma IL

 

On 2/21/2022 9:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Jeff;

 

I am not sure your question was answered, and I never looked at the IC flat specifically, but can speak to another GSC cast flat often referred to as a “Commonwealth” flat.

 

Keep in mind that castings varied by owner and year built.

 

There were two kinds of “holes” in the deck of the flat.  The obvious ones were the square holes cast in as stake pockets.  Some cars had four at each end; these have two.

 

The other, more numerous “holes”, were, from what I was told, “stress-relieving” depressions cast in to minimize chances of cracking in the slowest-cooling portion of the casting.  There are obviously numerous circular depressions in the surface of the casting inboard of the draft gear and bolster.

 

The flats I crawled over had depressions that did NOT go the entire depth of the casting.  I could not figure out a way they were used to secure loads, but I do not know these cars.  They collected a lot of dirt.

 

Some GSC cast flats did have tie-downs welded to the side sill at the rim, in the form of steel circles.  See attached.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 5:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

 

I cam across this photo of IC flats being assembled at the IC's Centralia car shops from frames bought from General Steel Castings.

I've never seen these holes in the steel at each end of the deck. 

Maybe I've just missed them in other photos.

Jeff White Alma IL


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

Jeffrey White
 

Thanks Eldon, I didn't know the holes didn't go all the way through.  Tie down points is what came immediately to mind when I saw the photo.

Jeff White Alma IL


On 2/21/2022 9:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Jeff;

 

I am not sure your question was answered, and I never looked at the IC flat specifically, but can speak to another GSC cast flat often referred to as a “Commonwealth” flat.

 

Keep in mind that castings varied by owner and year built.

 

There were two kinds of “holes” in the deck of the flat.  The obvious ones were the square holes cast in as stake pockets.  Some cars had four at each end; these have two.

 

The other, more numerous “holes”, were, from what I was told, “stress-relieving” depressions cast in to minimize chances of cracking in the slowest-cooling portion of the casting.  There are obviously numerous circular depressions in the surface of the casting inboard of the draft gear and bolster.

 

The flats I crawled over had depressions that did NOT go the entire depth of the casting.  I could not figure out a way they were used to secure loads, but I do not know these cars.  They collected a lot of dirt.

 

Some GSC cast flats did have tie-downs welded to the side sill at the rim, in the form of steel circles.  See attached.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 5:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

 

I cam across this photo of IC flats being assembled at the IC's Centralia car shops from frames bought from General Steel Castings.

I've never seen these holes in the steel at each end of the deck. 

Maybe I've just missed them in other photos.

Jeff White Alma IL


Re: We get a nice view of GN 32402, a 40ft ds trussrod box...

Charles Greene
 

Ahhh....the heady era of work-a-day steam with a beefy 2-8-2 on the point, truss rod cars still worth their salt hanging on into the 1940s, and the classic kerosene-fueled switch stand lanterns. That photo deserves a frame! Thanks, Claus!

        -Chuck 


FYI Re: 2022-02-20 for sale Sunshine & IMWX & Red Caboose kits

Tim O'Connor
 


Just FYI all kits offered 2-20 are sold


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Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Mobile Icing On The Santa Fe

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

CRZ;

 

I know that a cold storage facility in Pittsburgh used ice cut from Lake Chatauqua in western New York because they had facilities on either end.  There are lots of articles out there on this industry, both before commercial freezing, and after.

 

Chatauqua Ice’s building was next to the big yard in the Strip District.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

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Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Mobile Icing On The Santa Fe

 

One of my train club 'homies' said the big blocks of ice were cut from a lake, but I kind of doubt that, because they are not clear.

Another 'homie' used to work in a refrigeration plant somewhere in west Texas, and said that plant produced large blocks of ice but they were generally clear.  Although he did say the motion of the water in the freezing process, along with it's dissolved oxygen content, could produce ice like in the photo, but that was not the desirable result.

CRZ

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