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Paperwork for Sunshine SFRD Rr-18 #89 series of kits

Bill Welch
 

I am enjoying reading Speedwitch's Vol. 6 "Focus on Freight Cars" that includes several good photos of the SFRD's Rr-18 class. I had forgotten about this interesting wood-sheathed version of the SFRD's rebuilding of their USRA based reefers and was pleased that I had one of Sunshine's 89.1-.7 kits in my stash. Of course I had to look at the castings that are based on pattern's done by Charlie Slater. I had to wonder about the paperwork however as the only instructions are for Sunshine's steel rebuilds and there is no Prototype History or PDS in the box. I may have lost them.


If anyone can provide me with info about what I should have and perhaps scan them and send them to me. please contact me offline at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com


Thank you,

Bill Welch


Re: Please identify truck?

destorzek@...
 

There was a LOT of variation in Bettendorf sideframe design. Since they were developing new technology (cast sideframes) every time a problem surfaced they would make a design change to deal with it. The original Bettendorf side frame design was almost a true diamond shape with the journal boxes appended to the ends, outside the intersection of the top and bottom chords. This was prone to cracking, and was then modified with additional ribs that extended out over the tops of the boxes, which the Kadee truck models. The trucks Chuck is asking about must be a later design yet, as the boxes have been more fully integrated into the sideframe truss.

Overland Models has made a lot of different caboose trucks in brass. The ones used under their DSS&A caboose have the rounded bottom chord, but still have the extra ribs over the boxes, as that is what was on that prototype:
BRASSTRAINS.COM - HO Brass Model Train - OMI 3949.1 DSS&A South Shore Shorty Wood Sheath Caboose #584

There were also these, which appear to have the more tightly integrated journal boxes, but lack the curved bottom chord:

http://www.overlandmodels.com/images/trains/AB-1102_main_large.jpg

 

There may have been others. The problem with Overland trucks is finding them separate from the caboose.


Good Luck.


Dennis Storzek


Re: Please identify truck?

Charles Peck
 

Whether this truck is a Bettendorf product or a Bettendorf design made by someone else,
I would think that this style has some designation. A name, number, or code to put on 
specification sheets for ordering or repair purposes.
And no, the Kadee T-bar truck does not match.  Although there is similarity at the bolster,
the top of the journal boxes is much different.  The Kadee truck is flat below the bolster and
this truck is curved along the bottom. 
Barring new information, I am going to assume this truck has not been produced in HO.  No use rooting through boxes at train shows.  But when I have to fudge, I'd like to know what
I am substituting instead of.  Like when one has to use a Miner handbrake instead of a XYZ.
Thanks, Chuck Peck 

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Mark Landgraf mark_landgraf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Chuck

I can see where the confusion crept in. You need first to understand that Bettendorf was a truck manufacturer, not a truck style. They made styles of trucks for themselves and others. ‎Most trucks were named for their inventor or patent holder, not the foundry that produced them. As a further example‎, ATSF had a Pullman 6 wheel truck under some of their tenders that were manufactured by General Steel Castings.

To compound this further, ‎Bettendorf did manufacture their own trucks, later with roller bearings, all for cabooses. 
 
Mark

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network.
From: Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:56 PM
Reply To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Please identify truck?

 

If the first link didn't work, try this one.

This is my first try at using Google photos.
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 8:36 PM, roy wojahn zuch2rew@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Well, that address didn't work for me.

Roy Wojahn


On Friday, October 28, 2016 4:50 PM, "lnnrr152@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Here is a link (I hope) to a truck under an L&N caboose.  It says Bettendorf as cast on but
that rounded lower member seems different from other trucks I've seen.  Any ideas
on a name for this truck or a maker?


Thanks,
Chuck Peck







Front Range 40' Double door

Dave Lawler
 

Good day all,
I recently found 3 Front Range 40' Dbl. Door ACF box cars in my cabinet of "stuff". I took them to a flea market but found no takers. I looked more closely at them and found them to be rather nice castings with separate ladders,grabs etc. The cars have  4/4 ends and a long "fishbelly" side sill. I looked through my ACF Freight Car book but could not find anything exactly like them. Are any of you familiar with these cars? Is there a prototype for them or are the "foobies"?
Dave Lawler



Re: Please identify truck?

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <mark_landgraf@...> wrote :

Chuck

I can see where the confusion crept in. You need first to understand that Bettendorf was a truck manufacturer, not a truck style. They made styles of trucks for themselves and others. ‎Most trucks were named for their inventor or patent holder, not the foundry that produced them. As a further example‎, ATSF had a Pullman 6 wheel truck under some of their tenders that were manufactured by General Steel Castings.

To compound this further, ‎Bettendorf did manufacture their own trucks, later with roller bearings, all for cabooses. 
 
Mark
===================

Good explanation, except for the "all for cabooses" part. Bettendorf most definitely did manufacture freight car trucks, both the freight version of this T-section truck and a later U-section truck. The company was sold to the Standard Car Truck Co., user of the Barber trade name, in the thirties, more or less concurrently with the adoption of the new double truss truck design, and the old Bettendorf designs were dropped from production. The swing motion caboose truck, however, continued on as the Barber-Bettendorf caboose truck to become the common truck for cabooses in North America.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Please identify truck?

Rhbale@...
 

You are looking at a Bettendorf L-section 30-ton caboose truck manufactured by the Bettendorf Axle Company of Bettendorf, Iowa. The L-section is a clue that it was likely made between 1903 and 1908. After that date most Bettendorf trucks were cast with T-section frames. By 1920 almost all had U-section frames which is still used today. 
 
Bettendorf  developed and patented the idea of casting the journal box integrally with the truck frame. The company licensed other manufacturers to use their design which is why you sometimes see another name on a Bettendorf-type truck. 
 
For a free summary of 20th century trucks by the late Richard Hendrickson visit http://mrhpub.com/2013-05-may/land#69/zoomed   
 
Enjoy.
 
Richard Bale
Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine
Always free at mrhmag.com
 


Re: Wanted

Jared Harper
 



Yes.


---In STMFC@..., <smithal9@...> wrote :

Jared did you ever find the MDC Tender? If not I have one I will sell you Contact me off list

Al Smith
Sonora CA



On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 6:30 PM, "'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
MDC used to sell the tender as a separate item. I have purchased several through the years. It is the beginning for a Santa Fe 12K tender.
 
__________________________________________________
J. Stephen Sandifer
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Wanted
 
 
Wanted:   Model Die Casting Santa Fe 4-4-2 or 2-6-2 plastic tender shell.
 
Jared Harper
Athens, GA
706-543-8821



Re: Please identify truck?

mark_landgraf
 

Chuck

I can see where the confusion crept in. You need first to understand that Bettendorf was a truck manufacturer, not a truck style. They made styles of trucks for themselves and others. ‎Most trucks were named for their inventor or patent holder, not the foundry that produced them. As a further example‎, ATSF had a Pullman 6 wheel truck under some of their tenders that were manufactured by General Steel Castings.

To compound this further, ‎Bettendorf did manufacture their own trucks, later with roller bearings, all for cabooses. 
 
Mark

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network.
From: Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:56 PM
To: STMFC@...
Reply To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Please identify truck?

 

If the first link didn't work, try this one.

This is my first try at using Google photos.
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 8:36 PM, roy wojahn zuch2rew@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Well, that address didn't work for me.

Roy Wojahn


On Friday, October 28, 2016 4:50 PM, "lnnrr152@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Here is a link (I hope) to a truck under an L&N caboose.  It says Bettendorf as cast on but
that rounded lower member seems different from other trucks I've seen.  Any ideas
on a name for this truck or a maker?


Thanks,
Chuck Peck






Re: Spare 10,000 gallon tank wanted

Tangent Scale Models
 

Richard Townsend wrote:

"I have base kits of both, so I will use whatever I am able to get. I want to approximate GATX 56608 which had a dome the same diameter as the tank. I'm guessing it was 10,000 gallons since it has a 100,000 lb capacity."

GATX 56608  is indeed 10,000 gallons.  However, this Pennsylvania Tank Car prototype is pretty unique amongst Pennsylvania tanks.  The dome is humongous.  Most 10,000 gallon tanks have domes of roughly 450 gallons.  This one is 750 gallons.  The dome is indeed roughly the same diameter as the tank, which to my eye is close to 100 inches diameter.  Wow!

I definitely would try to use 2 P2K tank bodies since they are the largest diameter riveted tanks you can find (I think).  You could even remove the horizontal rivets at the top to make it look close to the subject car.  Then, for the kicker, I would use one of the ends for the dome.

This one would make a great project.  Good luck!

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models
(Steam Era Tank Car fan)


Re: Please identify truck?

granpa92@...
 

I believe this is called a Bettendorf T Section caboose truck. Kadee makes this truck in HO scale.

http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page581_1581.htm

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Larry Platt

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Please identify truck?







If the first link didn't work, try this one.
https://goo.gl/photos/xEjZx9zByqDqJLjN8



This is my first try at using Google photos.
Chuck Peck



On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 8:36 PM, roy wojahn zuch2rew@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 




Well, that address didn't work for me.


Roy Wojahn







On Friday, October 28, 2016 4:50 PM, "lnnrr152@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:





 




Here is a link (I hope) to a truck under an L&N caboose.  It says Bettendorf as cast on but
that rounded lower member seems different from other trucks I've seen.  Any ideas
on a name for this truck or a maker?


https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipPY0fSTwXDTzdL66lkWUg4FflPgShpSxfItnKIO



Thanks,
Chuck Peck


Re: Please identify truck?

Charles Peck
 

If the first link didn't work, try this one.

This is my first try at using Google photos.
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 8:36 PM, roy wojahn zuch2rew@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Well, that address didn't work for me.

Roy Wojahn


On Friday, October 28, 2016 4:50 PM, "lnnrr152@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Here is a link (I hope) to a truck under an L&N caboose.  It says Bettendorf as cast on but
that rounded lower member seems different from other trucks I've seen.  Any ideas
on a name for this truck or a maker?


Thanks,
Chuck Peck





Re: Transporting models to an RPM

 

I have bought these direct by the case.



https://www.flambeaucases.com/index.php/site/details/T806









Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni





From: STMFC List <STMFC@...> on behalf of STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Friday, October 28, 2016 at 7:28 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Transporting models to an RPM





Bob,



A friend found a variety of Plano compartment boxes at a Bass Pro Shop. Maybe you can cut a block of Styrofoam to match the overall 60-foot box car dimensions, wrap it in bubble wrap, and take it to the store to see what box the model fits best. You could also take a model but then you risk detail damage on the way to the store and such.



I’m sure a 60-foot box car will fit into the compartments on the boxes I have as they are a fixed width and 14-inches long. The dividers are used to segment the longer sections. But I don’t think you can fit more than four into the same Plano box.



Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX













From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 4:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Transporting models to an RPM







Thanks for sharing, Eric. That looks like a good idea. Do those boxes come in sizes big enough to hold a 60' boxcar? I model a fairly modern era (1995) so the extra length might be needed.





Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time.
Gerald R. Ford



From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: stmfc@...; 1914to1940rring@...; resinfreightcars@...; proto-layouts@...
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 6:01 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Transporting models to an RPM





While attending the recent RPM Chicagoland meet, several people inquired as to how I transported models from far west Texas . The latest DesignBuildOp blog post covers how the models were packed away for easy transport and my TSA experiences. Included at the end of the post are links to photo galleries covering the meet. I hope to attend again in 2017!



http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/10/28/transporting-models/





Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: Please identify truck?

roy wojahn
 

Well, that address didn't work for me.

Roy Wojahn


On Friday, October 28, 2016 4:50 PM, "lnnrr152@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Here is a link (I hope) to a truck under an L&N caboose.  It says Bettendorf as cast on but
that rounded lower member seems different from other trucks I've seen.  Any ideas
on a name for this truck or a maker?


Thanks,
Chuck Peck




Re: Transporting models to an RPM

Eric Hansmann
 

Bob,

 

A friend found a variety of Plano compartment boxes at a Bass Pro Shop. Maybe you can cut a block of Styrofoam to match the overall 60-foot box car dimensions, wrap it in bubble wrap, and take it to the store to see what box the model fits best. You could also take a model but then you risk detail damage on the way to the store and such.

 

I’m sure a 60-foot box car will fit into the compartments on the boxes I have as they are a fixed width and 14-inches long. The dividers are used to segment the longer sections. But I don’t think you can fit more than four into the same Plano box.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 4:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Transporting models to an RPM

 




Thanks for sharing, Eric. That looks like a good idea. Do those boxes come in sizes big enough to hold a 60' boxcar? I model a fairly modern era (1995) so the extra length might be needed.

 

 

Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time.
Gerald R. Ford

 


From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: stmfc@...; 1914to1940rring@...; resinfreightcars@...; proto-layouts@...
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 6:01 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Transporting models to an RPM

 

 

While attending the recent RPM Chicagoland meet, several people inquired as to how I transported models from far west Texas . The latest DesignBuildOp blog post covers how the models were packed away for easy transport and my TSA experiences. Included at the end of the post are links to photo galleries covering the meet. I hope to attend again in 2017!

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 



Please identify truck?

Charles Peck
 

Here is a link (I hope) to a truck under an L&N caboose.  It says Bettendorf as cast on but

that rounded lower member seems different from other trucks I've seen.  Any ideas

on a name for this truck or a maker?


https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipPY0fSTwXDTzdL66lkWUg4FflPgShpSxfItnKIO


Thanks,

Chuck Peck



Re: P&LE hoppers from the early 1940's

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :


Photo of NYC 93413 box car, freshly painted 1934 - no black background on old style "NYC Lines" emblem

My rule of thumb is, find a good photo because the only consistency seems to be inconsistency.

Tim O'Connor

==============

Show us the image, Tim, or provide a link. I've had debates over B&W images where I see a difference others have missed.

You are obviously not a "historical modeler" or you would know that prior to 1934 or so, you will not find the color image you seek.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Spare 10,000 gallon tank wanted

Tony Thompson
 

I am contemplating an HO scale kitbash of a tank car that will require, in addition to the base 10,000 gallon car, part (an inch and a half or so of the tank, plus the end) of another 10,000 gallon tank. I don't want to sacrifice a perfectly good kit just to get part of a tank if I don't have to, so I thought I would put this out there: does anyone have a spare 10,000 gallon, un-insulated IM or Proto tank or appropriate part thereof?

       I have a few tanks hanging around. Which one do you want? I will check to find a match.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Transporting models to an RPM

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Thanks for sharing, Eric. That looks like a good idea. Do those boxes come in sizes big enough to hold a 60' boxcar? I model a fairly modern era (1995) so the extra length might be needed.

 
Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time.
Gerald R. Ford



From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: stmfc@...; 1914to1940rring@...; resinfreightcars@...; proto-layouts@...
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 6:01 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Transporting models to an RPM

 
While attending the recent RPM Chicagoland meet, several people inquired as to how I transported models from far west Texas . The latest DesignBuildOp blog post covers how the models were packed away for easy transport and my TSA experiences. Included at the end of the post are links to photo galleries covering the meet. I hope to attend again in 2017!
 
 
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX



Transporting models to an RPM

Eric Hansmann
 

While attending the recent RPM Chicagoland meet, several people inquired as to how I transported models from far west Texas. The latest DesignBuildOp blog post covers how the models were packed away for easy transport and my TSA experiences. Included at the end of the post are links to photo galleries covering the meet. I hope to attend again in 2017!

 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/10/28/transporting-models/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: Spare 10,000 gallon tank wanted

Richard Townsend
 

I realize they are different. As I said I am trying to approximate the prototype, not necessarily get the tank diameter right. If I can get a Proto tank I will use a Proto kit as the base. If I can get an IM tank I will use an IM kit as the base. This is an "as inspired by" project for my own entertainment. Mainline quality, to borrow (and possibly pervert) a term from Tony Thompson.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Spare 10,000 gallon tank wanted

 
Um, Richard,

The IM tank is consdierably longer and skinnier than the P2K tank... So Brian's question still stands, which one? They are VERY different tanks.!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Currently 1000 yards from the PRR in Center City Philly
________________________________________
From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 4:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Spare 10,000 gallon tank wanted

I have base kits of both, so I will use whatever I am able to get. I want to approximate GATX 56608 which had a dome the same diameter as the tank. I'm guessing it was 10,000 gallons since it has a 100,000 lb capacity.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Spare 10,000 gallon tank wanted

Which one? They are not the same diameter.

What's the prototype?

Brian J. Carlson


On Oct 28, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I am contemplating an HO scale kitbash of a tank car that will require, in addition to the base 10,000 gallon car, part (an inch and a half or so of the tank, plus the end) of another 10,000 gallon tank. I don't want to sacrifice a perfectly good kit just to get part of a tank if I don't have to, so I thought I would put this out there: does anyone have a spare 10,000 gallon, un-insulated IM or Proto tank or appropriate part thereof?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

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