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Re: Slightly Off-Topic

Tim O'Connor
 

The PRR X30 must have been for ladder trucks or something special. Many
railroads had end door 40 foot and 50 foot box cars for long loads such as
fire trucks, buses, or whatever. I have a scan of a wrecked end door CV box
(it appears to be a single sheathed car) with a fire truck inside.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Aberdeen TH&B Decals

Tim O'Connor
 


Hi Bill - I just looked at the artwork for the CASO box car on that web site
and compared it to photos. Definitely not quite right - perfectionists like
Dan Kohlberg or Ted Culotta probably would recoil at the site... CDS usually
is much better at proto fidelity.

Tim O'






Bill Welch wrote

I am thinking about doing one of the TH&B's yellow and black boxcars and went looking for "CDS" Dry Transfers that were priced at $15.00 when I found Aberdeen decals at $5.00? Wondering if anyone can comment of the quality of these decals? Decal Sets We make and next releases
 


Re: Slightly Off-Topic

Jack Mullen
 

Bruce Smith said:
And many PRR 50' end door cars were also used for delivery of fire engines. 

Here's a webpage with photos showing just that - A new aerial ladder being unloaded from a 50' wagon-top auto car in Youngstown OH in 1944.
1944 – How to deliver a Fire Truck


This is a relatively compact two-axle truck with a metal three-section ladder, fitting comfortably within a 50' car. A pumper could fit in a 40' car. However, the largest ladder trucks, tractor-drawn with a long two-section wooden aerial ladder, could exceed 60' overall length. Hence the need for the X30.


Jack Mullen



Re: Slightly Off-Topic

Bruce Smith
 

And many PRR 50' end door cars were also used for delivery of fire engines. But as far as I know, none of these cars was in dedicated service to the plant except the X30

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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“Everybody knows” that the PRR had that one car, but begging for equal time here, the ERIE also served the American LaFrance plant in Elmira NY, and there are photos of the ERIE’s 50’ end-door cars being loaded with (and unloaded of) fire trucks in that service.


Schuyler



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John Sykes wrote:
"Come to think of it, I remember reading that the PRR had some cars built with end doors specifically for transporting American LaFrance fire engines from the factory to customers. I forget the series of PRR cars off hand but know I have it in one of my books.

I know that B60B baggage cars were used to transport Cadillacs from the factory to dealers. When I googled fire engine information I found a picture of fire engines being unloaded from an end-door freight car in Baltimore, I believe."



No series of cars - just one, the single Class X30, PRR 59861:

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x30.gif <http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x30.gif&fr=cl> &fr=cl

<http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X30_59861_A34_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX30> http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X30_59861_A34_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX30



This car lasted into Penn Central; an HO scale model was imported by Crown Custom Models and offered in multiple paint schemes.

https://brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/068098/HO-Scale-Brass-Model-Train-CCI-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-260P-PRR-Pennsylvania-X-30-Box-Car-59861-F-P



See TKM #37 for more information.





Ben Hom











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Re: Slightly Off-Topic

Schuyler Larrabee
 

“Everybody knows” that the PRR had that one car, but begging for equal time here, the ERIE also served the American LaFrance plant in Elmira NY, and there are photos of the ERIE’s 50’ end-door cars being loaded with (and unloaded of) fire trucks in that service.


Schuyler



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John Sykes wrote:
"Come to think of it, I remember reading that the PRR had some cars built with end doors specifically for transporting American LaFrance fire engines from the factory to customers. I forget the series of PRR cars off hand but know I have it in one of my books.

I know that B60B baggage cars were used to transport Cadillacs from the factory to dealers. When I googled fire engine information I found a picture of fire engines being unloaded from an end-door freight car in Baltimore, I believe."



No series of cars - just one, the single Class X30, PRR 59861:

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x30.gif <http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x30.gif&fr=cl> &fr=cl

<http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X30_59861_A34_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX30> http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X30_59861_A34_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX30



This car lasted into Penn Central; an HO scale model was imported by Crown Custom Models and offered in multiple paint schemes.

https://brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/068098/HO-Scale-Brass-Model-Train-CCI-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-260P-PRR-Pennsylvania-X-30-Box-Car-59861-F-P



See TKM #37 for more information.





Ben Hom







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Re: Aberdeen TH&B Decals

 

Pacific Western Rail Systems 1071A is a 40' 6'door yellow TH&B boxcar, road number 3042.  Model was made for Pacific Western by Intermountain in a limited edition.  Pacific Western was in Surrey, BC.  Website: pacific-western-rail.com   I bought my a very long time ago at a now-defunct hobby shop in Saint Catherines, Ontario.  Hugh T Guillaume


Re: CofG 10701-10800 Flat cars

Todd Horton
 

Justin, your flat car should be black. The Central changed to red oxide in 1948 but many cars remained in black during this time period.

Todd Horton

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On Mon, 10/24/16, Justin May westpointroute@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] CofG 10701-10800 Flat cars
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@...>
Date: Monday, October 24, 2016, 10:10 PM


 









Here's
one of the few known photos of these cars. The car has been
renumbered as CG 32388 for roadway service. The date is
listed as 1965.

For those interested in seeing
progress on the CofG 10701-10800 series flat car I am
constructing, I've recently posted some photos and
commentary on my model. 
http://georgiarailroad.blogspot.com/2016/10/central-of-georgia-flat-car-progress.html
I've also recently added several
posts centering around the forthcoming ACF 2,927 cubic foot
covered hopper and a G&F 50' PS-1
project.
http://georgiarailroad.blogspot.com/

Justin
May 










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Re: CofG 10701-10800 Flat cars

Justin May
 

Here's one of the few known photos of these cars. The car has been renumbered as CG 32388 for roadway service. The date is listed as 1965.

For those interested in seeing progress on the CofG 10701-10800 series flat car I am constructing, I've recently posted some photos and commentary on my model. 


I've also recently added several posts centering around the forthcoming ACF 2,927 cubic foot covered hopper and a G&F 50' PS-1 project.


Justin May
 


Re: Aberdeen TH&B Decals

Brad Andonian
 

Bill,

I am a fan of black cat decals for th&b and Canadian sets.

On Monday, October 24, 2016, 6:18 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I am thinking about doing one of the TH&B's yellow and black boxcars and went looking for "CDS" Dry Transfers that were priced at $15.00 when I found Aberdeen decals at $5.00? Wondering if anyone can comment of the quality of these decals?


Decal Sets We make and next releases

 


Bill Welch





Re: Slightly Off-Topic

John Sykes III
 

Thanks Ben!  Just found it in my database.  Built 9/31, I.L. 70'6".

-- John


Aberdeen TH&B Decals

Bill Welch
 

I am thinking about doing one of the TH&B's yellow and black boxcars and went looking for "CDS" Dry Transfers that were priced at $15.00 when I found Aberdeen decals at $5.00? Wondering if anyone can comment of the quality of these decals?

Decal Sets We make and next releases

 


Bill Welch





Re: Slightly Off-Topic

Benjamin Hom
 

John Sykes wrote:
"Come to think of it, I remember reading that the PRR had some cars built with end doors specifically for transporting American LaFrance fire engines from the factory to customers.  I forget the series of PRR cars off hand but know I have it in one of my books.

I know that B60B baggage cars were used to transport Cadillacs from the factory to dealers.  When I googled fire engine information I found a picture of fire engines being unloaded from an end-door freight car in Baltimore, I believe."

No series of cars - just one, the single Class X30, PRR 59861:


Re: Slightly Off-Topic

John Sykes III
 

Correction, I meant B60As not B60Bs.


Re: Slightly Off-Topic

John Sykes III
 

Come to think of it, I remember reading that the PRR had some cars built with end doors specifically for transporting American LaFrance fire engines from the factory to customers.  I forget the series of PRR cars off hand but know I have it in one of my books.

I know that B60B baggage cars were used to transport Cadillacs from the factory to dealers.  When I googled fire engine information I found a picture of fire engines being unloaded from an end-door freight car in Baltimore, I believe.

-- John


Re: Slightly Off-Topic

Charles Peck
 

If you are going to have that fire truck delivered by rail, it will be on topic.
Not the right year?  Just had it factory refurbished and updated, I believe.
Isn't it so?
Chuck Peck (back in Florida)

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:55 PM, johnsykesiii@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I am adding a bunch of vehicles for my early 1950's layout (under construction) and have a question that is slightly off-topic, but relevant to the late steam/early diesel era.


There is probably a 1/87 vehicles group somewhere here on Yahoo, but I only have two questions: 1) does anyone know what the prototype is for the Woodland Scenics r-t-r fire engine?  I think it might be Seagrave, but the grill looks more like 1940's Mack.  Also, if someone knows that, 2) would you happen to know what year it is?  (Late 40s truck models did not change much from year to year, so it might be more of a date range.)


OK, thanks.  You may return to topic!


-- John



Slightly Off-Topic

John Sykes III
 

I am adding a bunch of vehicles for my early 1950's layout (under construction) and have a question that is slightly off-topic, but relevant to the late steam/early diesel era.


There is probably a 1/87 vehicles group somewhere here on Yahoo, but I only have two questions: 1) does anyone know what the prototype is for the Woodland Scenics r-t-r fire engine?  I think it might be Seagrave, but the grill looks more like 1940's Mack.  Also, if someone knows that, 2) would you happen to know what year it is?  (Late 40s truck models did not change much from year to year, so it might be more of a date range.)


OK, thanks.  You may return to topic!


-- John


Op session on the Alma branch

Jared Harper
 

I will be having an op session on the Alma branch on Sunday, November 6, beginning at noon for lunch.  After lunch we will go to the basement to operate trains 95/96.  I need three people, an engineer, a conductor and a brakeman.  Call or e-mail if you want to come an operate.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821


Re: Naperville

Douglas Harding
 

I printed a copy of the website schedule the night before leaving. And this what I carried and pulled out of my pocket for reference. I saved the booklet for later, thus it did not get folded/mutilated/damaged.

 

And I concur with others:

Great meet.

The raised tables for models is a plus.

The lighting in the display room is not adequate for close up viewing of models. Luckily my cellphone has a flashlight app.

 

 

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Naperville

 

 

       If I had any criticism of the Chicagoland RPM this year, it would be the program, which a number of people folded lengthwise so it would go in a hip pocket. It could have been laid out and stapled that way, long and narrow, and hip pockets are convenient. This is common with railroad meets, and is very handy. I realize there were kit directions in it, but I see that as no obstacle to stapling down the middle. Then usually the schedule is quick and easy to find, which is NOT the case with a folded 8.5 x 11 program.

       Several have pointed out that the model display was definitely down in numbers, both compared to previous Naperville meets and to Cocoa Beach. My own take on that is that it's part of the comeback, and will likely rise again. The strong attendance points that way, in my opinion.

       Suggestion: arrange again to have the Cubs' progress to the World Series going on that week, definitely added to the excitement.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 

 


Re: Additional Naperville Note

Dick Harley
 

Nelson Moyer wished for more light on the models.

Maybe we need to start carrying a small LED flashlight - now cheap, small and light weight.
And, of course, many cell phones can be used as a flash light.

The white table clothes helped a lot compared to the black ones.


Just a thought,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Traveling with models (was Re: Additional Naperville Note)

Dick Harley
 

Both Dave Hussey and I flew to Chicago from SoCal for the RPM Chicagoland meet, and we both took several models. I suppose your experience depends on the TSA folks you meet, but my perception is that they are getting much better and friendlier. I do make a point of saying that my carry-on bag has model trains in it before it gets to the x-ray machine. I once had a TSA guy say, "Is that a 4-6-6-4?", and he was right. Last summer a TSA guy in Sacramento who didn't hear my warning said, "What's in this blue duffel?" After I said, "Model trains.", he said, "Oh, that's what those are!" This year going to Chicago the x-ray guy asked, "So where are the cars and planes?" Freight cars are really easy, because they don't have any electrical wires.

I now carry models in Plano model 23630 (now 2363001) polyethylene boxes, which hold three HO cars up to 60-ft. long. Just cradle in a layer or two of small bubble wrap and slide in up-side-down. The utility boxes protect the models completely, and you can put several boxes in a small duffel or similar bag as an airplane carry-on.
See: http://www.planomolding.com/fishing/stowaway-utility-boxes/prolatch-stowaway-utility-boxes
Their model 2373005 (was 3730) holds four longer HO cars or locos.

Maybe TSA Pre-check helps, but I have been carrying models this way long before that started. The bubble wrap cradle easily allows models to be slipped in and out of the clear boxes, if someone wants a closer look. But I have never had that happen in a decade of using this method.

So restrain your previous fears of carrying models on airplanes and take some with you to the next meet. TSA and the airlines are much more worried about Samsung 7 cellphones.

My congratulations too to Mike Skibbie and his crew for a great meet.
The pylons around the hotel made it mostly unnecessary to carry a schedule. And I agree with Dave that the open display / vendor room was really enjoyable.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA

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