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60 Days to St. Louis RPM 2016
golden1014
Friends,
The 10th Annual St. Louis RPM (Railroad Prototype Modeler) Meet is coming fast. The dates are Friday, August 12th and Saturday, August 13th, 2016 at the Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, IL. Collinsville is just a few miles east of metro St. Louis. We host this meet for two reasons. First, we want to provide a great place to bring our friends and fellow modelers together for fellowship. In 2015 almost 400 modelers from around the world joined us, and this year we’re expanding again to meet your demands for more space. We now have 23,000 sq. ft. reserved in the modern, professional, air conditioned Gateway Convention Center and hope you can join us for a great modeler's party. The second reason we host this meet is to showcase your models. We are modelers and our event is built for you. Last year, our attendees brought 2,000-3,000 models for display. We had 54 full eight-foot tables overflowing with models of all types, including locomotives, structures, critters, and everything in between, plus freights cars by the thousands. There are plenty of surprises too—last year a modeler brought an HO scale replica of the famous Eads Bridge that took up two tables by itself. We’ll have more tables for your models this year so bring everything and tell us all about them. Your models are the heart of our meet! We have clinics lined up by notable modelers and historians including Jon Cagle, Gene Semon, Ted Culotta, Roger Hinman, George Eichelberger, Tony Cook, Mike Wise, Michael Petersen and Nathan Holmes, Ed Hawkins, Jeff Eggert, Nick Molo, David Vaughn, Jason Klocke, Dave Roeder and Tim Costello. All talking about the prototype and how to model it. We have high-quality modular layouts at the meet, including Mike Skibbe’s magnificent Modutrak N Scale layout, Jim Canter’s Proto48 NKP traveling layout, Harold Storm’s Proto48 Whitewater Valley switching layout, The Galesburg Switch Job in N scale, and the Mudhen’s HOn3 layout. They’re not just here to look at—you can run trains on most of them. We also have home layout tours all set up on Friday night. 100 tables of hand-picked, top-quality vendors are attending too. We call it The St. Louis Scale Train Show. Southern Car and Foundry, Speedwitch, Abacus.87, ScaleTrains.com, Tangent Scale Models, Cannon, MOLOCO, Plano, ICG Custom Decals, Badger Airbrush, Protocraft, Rich Yoder Models, Q Connection, Spring Creek Model Trains, CRM Hobbies, Norris Hobbies, Motrak Models, Mood Dog Rail Cars, Prairie Railway Display, Iowa Scaled Engineering, Bethlehem Car Works, Bear Creek Hobbies, OST Publications, St. Louis Microtools, and a few more late-comers are coming with new merchandise. No swap-meet stuff. Photo dealers include Bob’s Photos, OST Publications, Jim Shaw Photos, Mainline Photos and Ed Stoll Photos. 19 Railroad Historical Societies are coming too. Yep, 19: The Southern Rwy, New York Central, B&O, Pennsylvania, Wabash, Missouri Pacific, C&EI, Nickel Plate, Terminal RR Association, GM&O, ACL, Seaboard, Central of Georgia, Illinois Central, Milwaukee Road, GM&O, CB&Q, and C&NW will be present, along with the R&LHS and the Barriger National Railroad Library. All these societies and more will be on hand to aid your modeling and research. For Historical Societies, we’re hosting the popular Railroad Historical Society meeting on Friday evening, once again run by the good folks from the MoPac HS. Space is limited. Contact kwlove126@... for more information. We have hands-on clinics too. Bill Welch and Badger Airbrush will be hosting a large airbrush clinic, demonstrating how to spray acrylics using many different brands of airbrushes. Dave Schroedle of Protoweathering.com will offer hands-on weathering clinics all day, both days. Bring your own models or buy them at the meet to learn new finishing skills using chalks and weathering powders. Jeremey St. Peter and the guys from http://theweatheringshop.com/ will be on hand too, doing live weathering demonstrations and showing you how to weather like a pro. All this and more for just 25 bucks. What You Need To Know: 1. You can stay where you want. Our host hotel is the DoubleTree by Hilton next door to the Gateway Center. Call them at (866) 235-4657 for the RPM rate. Other hotel info is can be found on our website at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm. 2. No advance registration is necessary. Just show up and enjoy! 3. Bring your models! 4. Along with the evening home layout tours, we’ve got a bunch of after-hours social events, slide shows, and more set up on Thursday and Friday night. Several of them will be hosted at the DoubleTree. Get more info at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm. Contact John Golden at Golden1014@... or Lonnie Bathurst at bathurst@... (217) 556-0314 for meet info. Get more details at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm. Check out our 2015 official event photos at https://www.flickr.com/photos/35369592@N06/albums/72157656596137919 See you in St. Louis! Signed, Dave Roeder Lonnie Bathurst Dan Kohlberg John Golden
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Pressed Steel Co. mill gondola ends
WaltGCox@...
I would like to replace the ends on a couple of GTW 51 '6" mill gondolas
made withe the Tichy war emergency kit. Does anyone know of a source for these
ends? If necessary, the Walthers Gold Line URTX meat reefer end looks like
it could be fodder for a kitbash. Any comments? TIA
Walt
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PRR 2D-T4 Dolphin Tender Trucks
mark_landgraf
Hi
I have a project in 1½ scale that requires these trucks. I am looking for drawings that would assist me in making the patterns for casting. If anyone can provide these drawings, or scans of drawings, please contact me off list at: mark_landgraf at yahoo dot com Thanks Mark
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Re: Seeking Proper Brake Wheel Information
Rob Adams
Bill; The FW&D series 8251-8500 box cars had Ajax power hand
brakes.� You may already know this, but these particular cars also
ran on National Type B trucks. Kind regards, Rob Adams Wellman, IA
On 6/14/16 9:06 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE
PARDIEW001@... [STMFC] wrote:
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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Ba chmann gon decals?
Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
Bill,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
The Bachmann car IS only a few years old. I think the confusion about the ends may lie with Richard Hendrickson's notes. Car 14506 shown in Tony's photograph is the Bachmann car and the ends are not Accurail or Detail Associates, but the Bachmann ends that originally came with the car. They are both removeable and molded on both sides. They are so faithful to the original I strongly doubt Richard would have replaced them. Here are some pictures from Fallen Flags showing the original. The Bachmann car is nicely done, but not at a level justifying the ridiculous list price. A browse around the net should fine some the low $20 range, a much more reasonable price. Dick
On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:34 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
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Re: Distant freight car images from 1910
Schuyler Larrabee
You're welcome Eric
The last image in today's (Tuesday's) selection is also interesting. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0594.jpg Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:06 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Distant freight car images from 1910 These historic Lackawanna photos are a real treasure. In the main photo, it's interesting to see the different gondolas and hoppers in the yard. Of the steel hoppers, I think two are similar to a design used on the NYC Lines. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg Here's an image featuring a Michigan Central version of the hopper. It's the one behind the gondola. http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/mcrr-6932.jpg It's also interesting to see a mill gondola pressed into coal or aggregate service. Look to the far right and in front of the passenger car in that first link. The next image features more of a broadside view of several Lackawanna freight cars and shifted more to the right. I count six or seven gondola designs. Here's the link. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0591.jpg And no, I'm not counting the remains of a car in the ditch near the photo title. One of the photos posted today features a different angle on this facility. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0593.jpg And another from today has a nice variety of Lackawanna equipment. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0592.jpg Thanks, Schuyler! Eric Hansmann El Paso, TX . _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:32 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Distant freight car images from 1910 http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg plus "next image." Schuyler
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Seeking Proper Brake Wheel Information
WILLIAM PARDIE
Thank you in advance for any help: Bill Pardie
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S.P.L.A.&S.L 11536
thecitrusbelt@...
In a museum display I came across an early 1900s photo of S.P.L.A.&S.L boxcar No. 11536. Can anyone tell me more about this car beyond its ownership by the San Pedro, Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad?
Thank you.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: is this an early PS-3? -- Additional two-bay PS-3 information
Steven D Johnson
Some additional information:
APX series was 60-69.
Clinchfield series was class FH7.
L&N series 34000-35999 were the early PS-3s and differed from the later production cars. See article with photo and drawings of these cars in the November 1998 issue of MAINLINE MODELER.
L&N series 82200-85199 were built from April 1952-February 1953.
The NC&StL cars (nos. 46500-46899) had flat ends, while all* the other later production cars had the centered heap shields, as represented on the Tangent three-bay PS-3 models. (*Not sure about the heap shields on the PSX 3.)
TC sold 180 cars to United States Railway Equipment Co., which repainted and renumbered the cars to TC 801-980 and leased them back to the TC ca. 4-5/1967. After the 1968 bankruptcy of the TC, those cars were acquired by Southern Railway as SOU 110650-110829 but were retired in January 1971.
See the October 1998 issue of MAINLINE MODELER for an article with photos and drawings of the later production PS-3 hoppers.
Steve Johnson
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:58 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] is this an early PS-3?
> Who else had 2-bay PS-3s?
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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Ba chmann gon decals?
Bill Welch
I thought the Bachmann car was fairly new, last 3-4 years. How long has it been around?
Bill Welch
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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Ba chmann gon decals?
Tony Thompson
Bill Welch wrote:
Yep. So is Richard's model. I think it was done well before the Accurail gondola came out. What Richard did was to file down the "mini-rib" between the main ribs, on the "front side," and fill in the tell-tale intermediate groove on the back side. It looks okay, but the "darts" at the corner are the deeper ones of Improved Dreadnaught, not the shorter ones of an original Dreadnaught. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Help with PFE trucks
Ted Culotta
If I were going for a truck for these, I'd opt for the Kadee Barber® S-2-B 70-Ton Solid Bearing Trucks which definitely capture the look. There will be many good photos of these cars, including trucks in Focus on Freight Cars Volume Three (shameless product plug!) Cheers, Ted Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media
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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Ba chmann gon decals?
Bill Welch
Detail Assoc.'s end is an Improved DE.
Bill Welch
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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Bachmann gon decals?
Tony Thompson
Bill Welch wrote:
Actually it looks more the Detail Associates end, but I'm not sure. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Distant freight car images from 1910
riverman_vt@...
---In STMFC@..., <eric@...> wrote : These historic Lackawanna photos are a real treasure.
In the main photo, it’s interesting to see the different gondolas and hoppers in the yard. Of the steel hoppers, I think two are similar to a design used on the NYC Lines. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg
Here’s an image featuring a Michigan Central version of the hopper. It’s the one behind the gondola. http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/mcrr-6932.jpg
It’s also interesting to see a mill gondola pressed into coal or aggregate service. Look to the far right and in front of the passenger car in that first link.
The next image features more of a broadside view of several Lackawanna freight cars and shifted more to the right. I count six or seven gondola designs. Here’s the link. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0591.jpg
And no, I’m not counting the remains of a car in the ditch near the photo title.
One of the photos posted today features a different angle on this facility. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0593.jpg
And another from today has a nice variety of Lackawanna equipment. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0592.jpg
Thanks, Schuyler!
Eric Hansmann El Paso, TX
. It is not just the gondolas that I find interesting, Eric. Look at the DL&W twin hoppers with the alternating channel ribs on their sides AND a rather different exterior brace for the slope sheet. Can't say that I'd ever seen the latter feature before as it is something that would have been remembered if I had. Neat photos all. Thanks for posting their URL's. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Bachmann gon decals?
Bill Welch
Hmm, it looks likes maybe he used Accurail's Dreadnaught end from their 40-ft AAR gondola but turned it around and narrowed to fit inside the Bachmann body. What do others think?
Bill Welch
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Re: Distant freight car images from 1910
Eric Hansmann
These historic Lackawanna photos are a real treasure.
In the main photo, it’s interesting to see the different gondolas and hoppers in the yard. Of the steel hoppers, I think two are similar to a design used on the NYC Lines. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg
Here’s an image featuring a Michigan Central version of the hopper. It’s the one behind the gondola. http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/mcrr-6932.jpg
It’s also interesting to see a mill gondola pressed into coal or aggregate service. Look to the far right and in front of the passenger car in that first link.
The next image features more of a broadside view of several Lackawanna freight cars and shifted more to the right. I count six or seven gondola designs. Here’s the link. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0591.jpg
And no, I’m not counting the remains of a car in the ditch near the photo title.
One of the photos posted today features a different angle on this facility. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0593.jpg
And another from today has a nice variety of Lackawanna equipment. http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0592.jpg
Thanks, Schuyler!
Eric Hansmann El Paso, TX
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg plus “next image.”
Schuyler
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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Bachmann gon decals?
Tony Thompson
Bill Welch wrote:
Definitely yes, it's the Bachmann model. But Richard replaced the ends to try and match the drop ends. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Bachmann gon decals?
Bill Welch
My memory is that Martin had these trucks for sale for a few years until his supply ran out. I am pretty sure I bought a few pair. Tony, is the car in the photo the Bachmann model? It looks like it has pretty good detail on the inside of the ends.
Bill Welch
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Re: Update from Speedwitch—Bachmann gon decals?
Tony Thompson
Schleigh Mike wrote:
One of the models I inherited from Richard Hendrickson was a Bachmann car lettered for the Erie cars Mike mentions, 14500-14949. The cars were built by Greenville in 1930 and had drop ends and lever hand brakes. I posted a photo of this model to my blog, just because Richard had used brass trucks to model the correct one-level Dalman trucks that were on the prototype. If you want to see the model, here is the link: Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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