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60 Days to St. Louis RPM 2016

golden1014
 

Friends,

The 10th Annual St. Louis RPM (Railroad Prototype Modeler) Meet is coming fast. The dates are Friday, August 12th and Saturday, August 13th, 2016 at the Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, IL. Collinsville is just a few miles east of metro St. Louis.

We host this meet for two reasons. First, we want to provide a great place to bring our friends and fellow modelers together for fellowship. In 2015 almost 400 modelers from around the world joined us, and this year we’re expanding again to meet your demands for more space. We now have 23,000 sq. ft. reserved in the modern, professional, air conditioned Gateway Convention Center and hope you can join us for a great modeler's party.

The second reason we host this meet is to showcase your models. We are modelers and our event is built for you. Last year, our attendees brought 2,000-3,000 models for display. We had 54 full eight-foot tables overflowing with models of all types, including locomotives, structures, critters, and everything in between, plus freights cars by the thousands. There are plenty of surprises too—last year a modeler brought an HO scale replica of the famous Eads Bridge that took up two tables by itself. We’ll have more tables for your models this year so bring everything and tell us all about them. Your models are the heart of our meet!

We have clinics lined up by notable modelers and historians including Jon Cagle, Gene Semon, Ted Culotta, Roger Hinman, George Eichelberger, Tony Cook, Mike Wise, Michael Petersen and Nathan Holmes, Ed Hawkins, Jeff Eggert, Nick Molo, David Vaughn, Jason Klocke, Dave Roeder and Tim Costello. All talking about the prototype and how to model it.

We have high-quality modular layouts at the meet, including Mike Skibbe’s magnificent Modutrak N Scale layout, Jim Canter’s Proto48 NKP traveling layout, Harold Storm’s Proto48 Whitewater Valley switching layout, The Galesburg Switch Job in N scale, and the Mudhen’s HOn3 layout. They’re not just here to look at—you can run trains on most of them. We also have home layout tours all set up on Friday night.

100 tables of hand-picked, top-quality vendors are attending too. We call it The St. Louis Scale Train Show. Southern Car and Foundry, Speedwitch, Abacus.87, ScaleTrains.com, Tangent Scale Models, Cannon, MOLOCO, Plano, ICG Custom Decals, Badger Airbrush, Protocraft, Rich Yoder Models, Q Connection, Spring Creek Model Trains, CRM Hobbies, Norris Hobbies, Motrak Models, Mood Dog Rail Cars, Prairie Railway Display, Iowa Scaled Engineering, Bethlehem Car Works, Bear Creek Hobbies, OST Publications, St. Louis Microtools, and a few more late-comers are coming with new merchandise. No swap-meet stuff. Photo dealers include Bob’s Photos, OST Publications, Jim Shaw Photos, Mainline Photos and Ed Stoll Photos.

19 Railroad Historical Societies are coming too. Yep, 19: The Southern Rwy, New York Central, B&O, Pennsylvania, Wabash, Missouri Pacific, C&EI, Nickel Plate, Terminal RR Association, GM&O, ACL, Seaboard, Central of Georgia, Illinois Central, Milwaukee Road, GM&O, CB&Q, and C&NW will be present, along with the R&LHS and the Barriger National Railroad Library. All these societies and more will be on hand to aid your modeling and research.

For Historical Societies, we’re hosting the popular Railroad Historical Society meeting on Friday evening, once again run by the good folks from the MoPac HS. Space is limited. Contact kwlove126@... for more information.

We have hands-on clinics too. Bill Welch and Badger Airbrush will be hosting a large airbrush clinic, demonstrating how to spray acrylics using many different brands of airbrushes. Dave Schroedle of Protoweathering.com will offer hands-on weathering clinics all day, both days. Bring your own models or buy them at the meet to learn new finishing skills using chalks and weathering powders. Jeremey St. Peter and the guys from http://theweatheringshop.com/ will be on hand too, doing live weathering demonstrations and showing you how to weather like a pro.

All this and more for just 25 bucks.

What You Need To Know:

1. You can stay where you want. Our host hotel is the DoubleTree by Hilton next door to the Gateway Center. Call them at (866) 235-4657 for the RPM rate. Other hotel info is can be found on our website at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm.

2. No advance registration is necessary. Just show up and enjoy!

3. Bring your models!

4. Along with the evening home layout tours, we’ve got a bunch of after-hours social events, slide shows, and more set up on Thursday and Friday night. Several of them will be hosted at the DoubleTree. Get more info at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm.

Contact John Golden at Golden1014@... or Lonnie Bathurst at bathurst@... (217) 556-0314 for meet info. Get more details at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm.

Check out our 2015 official event photos at https://www.flickr.com/photos/35369592@N06/albums/72157656596137919

See you in St. Louis!

Signed,
Dave Roeder
Lonnie Bathurst
Dan Kohlberg
John Golden


Pressed Steel Co. mill gondola ends

WaltGCox@...
 

I would like to replace the ends on a couple of GTW 51 '6" mill gondolas made withe the Tichy war emergency kit. Does anyone know of a source for these ends?  If necessary, the Walthers Gold Line URTX meat reefer end looks like it could be fodder for a kitbash. Any comments? TIA Walt


PRR 2D-T4 Dolphin Tender Trucks

mark_landgraf
 

Hi

I have a project in 1½ scale that requires these trucks. I am looking for drawings that would assist me in making the patterns for casting.  If anyone can provide these drawings, or scans of drawings, please contact me off list at:  mark_landgraf at yahoo dot com

Thanks
Mark



Re: Seeking Proper Brake Wheel Information

Rob Adams
 

Bill;

The FW&D series 8251-8500 box cars had Ajax power hand brakes.� You may already know this, but these particular cars also ran on National Type B trucks.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams

Wellman, IA


On 6/14/16 9:06 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC] wrote:

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Can anyone tell me what is the proper power handbrake for a FW&D 40' boxcar in the 8350 series build date 1944.

Thank you in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie

Posted by: WILLIAM PARDIE











Re: Update from Speedwitch —Ba chmann gon decals?

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Bill,

The Bachmann car IS only a few years old.

I think the confusion about the ends may lie with Richard Hendrickson's notes.

Car 14506 shown in Tony's photograph is the Bachmann car and the ends are not Accurail or Detail Associates, but the Bachmann ends that originally came with the car. They are both removeable and molded on both sides. They are so faithful to the original I strongly doubt Richard would have replaced them.

Here are some pictures from Fallen Flags showing the original.




The Bachmann car is nicely done, but not at a level justifying the ridiculous list price. A browse around the net should fine some the low $20 range, a much more reasonable price.

Dick


On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:34 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I thought the Bachmann car was fairly new, last 3-4 years. How long has it been around?


Bill Welch


Re: Distant freight car images from 1910

Schuyler Larrabee
 

You're welcome Eric

The last image in today's (Tuesday's) selection is also interesting.



http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0594.jpg


Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:06 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Distant freight car images from 1910





These historic Lackawanna photos are a real treasure.



In the main photo, it's interesting to see the different gondolas and
hoppers in the yard. Of the steel hoppers, I think two are similar to a
design used on the NYC Lines.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg



Here's an image featuring a Michigan Central version of the hopper. It's the
one behind the gondola.

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/mcrr-6932.jpg



It's also interesting to see a mill gondola pressed into coal or aggregate
service. Look to the far right and in front of the passenger car in that
first link.





The next image features more of a broadside view of several Lackawanna
freight cars and shifted more to the right. I count six or seven gondola
designs. Here's the link.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0591.jpg



And no, I'm not counting the remains of a car in the ditch near the photo
title.





One of the photos posted today features a different angle on this facility.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0593.jpg



And another from today has a nice variety of Lackawanna equipment.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0592.jpg





Thanks, Schuyler!



Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX





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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Distant freight car images from 1910









http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg

plus "next image."



Schuyler


Seeking Proper Brake Wheel Information

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Can anyone tell me what is the proper power handbrake for a FW&D 40' boxcar in the 8350 series build date 1944.

Thank you in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie


S.P.L.A.&S.L 11536

thecitrusbelt@...
 

In a museum display I came across an early 1900s photo of S.P.L.A.&S.L boxcar No. 11536. Can anyone tell me more about this car beyond its ownership by the  San Pedro, Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad?

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: is this an early PS-3? -- Additional two-bay PS-3 information

Steven D Johnson
 

Some additional information:

 

APX series was 60-69.

 

Clinchfield series was class FH7.

 

L&N series 34000-35999 were the early PS-3s and differed from the later production cars.  See article with photo and drawings of these cars in the November 1998 issue of MAINLINE MODELER. 

 

L&N series 82200-85199 were built from April 1952-February 1953.

 

The NC&StL cars (nos. 46500-46899) had flat ends, while all* the other later production cars had the centered heap shields, as represented on the Tangent three-bay PS-3 models.  (*Not sure about the heap shields on the PSX 3.)

 

TC sold 180 cars to United States Railway Equipment Co., which repainted and renumbered the cars to TC 801-980 and leased them back to the TC ca. 4-5/1967.  After the 1968 bankruptcy of the TC, those cars  were acquired by Southern Railway as SOU 110650-110829 but were retired in January 1971. 

 

See the October 1998 issue of MAINLINE MODELER for an article with photos and drawings of the later production PS-3 hoppers.

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] is this an early PS-3?

 

 

> Who else had 2-bay PS-3s?

Scott,
DL&W 85560, is an ACF product built in the late 1940s (1949 or thereabouts) and rated at 50-tons. It featured 2,221 cubic feet capacity, and was largely welded. DL&W also rostered later examples with single posts. The length varied between 34'4" and 34'8" depending upon the series.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/dlw85815amf.jpg

50-ton PS-3 owners were as follows, though I don't have all of the series information on hand.

APX, Alabama Power Company, built 2-53
CRR 52000-52499, built 3-53
GA 21300-21399, built 2-53
L&N 34000-35999, built 4-49
L&N 82200-85199, built 4-52
NC&StL
PSX 3, built 5-53
Tennessee Central 9500-9699, built 4-53

Justin May


Re: Update from Speedwitch —Ba chmann gon decals?

Bill Welch
 

I thought the Bachmann car was fairly new, last 3-4 years. How long has it been around?

Bill Welch


Re: Update from Speedwitch —Ba chmann gon decals?

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

Detail Assoc.'s end is an Improved DE.


    Yep. So is Richard's model. I think it was done well before the Accurail gondola came out. What Richard did was to file down the "mini-rib" between the main ribs, on the "front side," and fill in the tell-tale intermediate groove on the back side. It looks okay, but the "darts" at the corner are the deeper ones of Improved Dreadnaught, not the shorter ones of an original Dreadnaught.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Help with PFE trucks

Ted Culotta
 

If I were going for a truck for these, I'd opt for the Kadee Barber® S-2-B 70-Ton Solid Bearing Trucks which definitely capture the look. There will be many good photos of these cars, including trucks in Focus on Freight Cars Volume Three (shameless product plug!)


Re: Update from Speedwitch —Ba chmann gon decals?

Bill Welch
 

Detail Assoc.'s end is an Improved DE.

Bill Welch


Re: Update from Speedwitch —Bachmann gon decals?

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

Hmm, it looks likes maybe he used Accurail's Dreadnaught end from their 40-ft AAR gondola but turned it around and narrowed to fit inside the Bachmann body. What do others think?


        Actually it looks more the Detail Associates end, but I'm not sure.


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Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Distant freight car images from 1910

riverman_vt@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <eric@...> wrote :

These historic Lackawanna photos are a real treasure.

 

In the main photo, it’s interesting to see the different gondolas and hoppers in the yard. Of the steel hoppers, I think two are similar to a design used on the NYC Lines.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg

 

Here’s an image featuring a Michigan Central version of the hopper. It’s the one behind the gondola.

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/mcrr-6932.jpg

 

It’s also interesting to see a mill gondola pressed into coal or aggregate service. Look to the far right and in front of the passenger car in that first link.

 

 

The next image features more of a broadside view of several Lackawanna freight cars and shifted more to the right. I count six or seven gondola designs. Here’s the link.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0591.jpg

 

And no, I’m not counting the remains of a car in the ditch near the photo title.

 

 

One of the photos posted today features a different angle on this facility.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0593.jpg

 

And another from today has a nice variety of Lackawanna equipment.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0592.jpg

 

 

Thanks, Schuyler!

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

.    It is not just the gondolas that I find interesting, Eric. Look at the DL&W

twin hoppers with the alternating channel ribs on their sides AND a rather

different exterior brace for the slope sheet. Can't say that I'd ever seen the

latter feature before as it is something that would have been remembered 

if I had. Neat photos all. Thanks for posting their URL's.


Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 

 

 

 




 


 




Re: Update from Speedwitch —Bachmann gon decals?

Bill Welch
 

Hmm, it looks likes maybe he used Accurail's Dreadnaught end from their 40-ft AAR gondola but turned it around and narrowed to fit inside the Bachmann body. What do others think?

Bill Welch


Re: Distant freight car images from 1910

Eric Hansmann
 

These historic Lackawanna photos are a real treasure.

 

In the main photo, it’s interesting to see the different gondolas and hoppers in the yard. Of the steel hoppers, I think two are similar to a design used on the NYC Lines.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg

 

Here’s an image featuring a Michigan Central version of the hopper. It’s the one behind the gondola.

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/mcrr-6932.jpg

 

It’s also interesting to see a mill gondola pressed into coal or aggregate service. Look to the far right and in front of the passenger car in that first link.

 

 

The next image features more of a broadside view of several Lackawanna freight cars and shifted more to the right. I count six or seven gondola designs. Here’s the link.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0591.jpg

 

And no, I’m not counting the remains of a car in the ditch near the photo title.

 

 

One of the photos posted today features a different angle on this facility.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0593.jpg

 

And another from today has a nice variety of Lackawanna equipment.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0592.jpg

 

 

Thanks, Schuyler!

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Distant freight car images from 1910

 




http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg

plus “next image.”

 

Schuyler

 




Re: Update from Speedwitch —Bachmann gon decals?

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

 

My memory is that Martin had these trucks for sale for a few years until his supply ran out. I am pretty sure I bought a few pair. Tony, is the car in the photo the Bachmann model? It looks like it has pretty good detail on the inside of the ends.


       Definitely yes, it's the Bachmann model. But Richard replaced the ends to try and match the drop ends.


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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Bachmann gon decals?

Bill Welch
 

My memory is that Martin had these trucks for sale for a few years until his supply ran out. I am pretty sure I bought a few pair. Tony, is the car in the photo the Bachmann model? It looks like it has pretty good detail on the inside of the ends.

Bill Welch


Re: Update from Speedwitch—Bachmann gon decals?

Tony Thompson
 

Schleigh Mike wrote:

 

I have written before of the Bachman gondola and this can be found in past postings.  All four of their original and now all of their newest paint/road names are fantasies.  With Ted's new decals one can properly do the 450 ERIE and 250 PM cars as they were originally owned.  As far as I have determined, these were the only customers for this car design.  

    One of the models I inherited from Richard Hendrickson was a Bachmann car lettered for the Erie cars Mike mentions, 14500-14949. The cars were built by Greenville in 1930 and had drop ends and lever hand brakes. I posted a photo of this model to my blog, just because Richard had used brass trucks to model the correct one-level Dalman trucks that were on the prototype. If you want to see the model, here is the link:
 
Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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