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Re: Completely New Resin

Tom Madden
 

A fan wrote :
>
> Very convincing story that made my lousy prototype modeling day. I propose
> a Pulitzer prize nomination for Tom.

You misspelled "Pullet Surprise".

<Sigh>  Sixty five years in the hobby, dozens of clinic presentations, thousands of hours of Pullman research to unearth data useful to modelers, dabbling in advanced technologies to help make them accessible to the hobby, and I'll probably be remembered for a ten minute toss-off intended to tease Pierre for being overly coy about his CP auto car project. A toss-off that contains embarrassing punctuation, grammar and syntax errors that escaped my notice in my haste to be clever.

Let's pull this back into the realm of acceptability for the STMFC. Most of us have a vision of what 3D printing will/should/might be able to do for the hobby when it (3D printing) matures. Pierre is demonstrating how to work with what 3D printing can do today. You have three parameters: price, level and quality of detail, and suitability for use. You get to control only one, If your "use' is as a small static or display piece, something right out of a printer might work. (OK, not right out of the printer. You'll have to clean, assemble and/or paint it.) But if you want a model durable enough to be operated and handled repeatedly, you'll be disappointed by the detail level - or shocked by the cost.

Pierre's use is as a pattern for resin casting. For that, the high up front costs for designing and printing can be justified, and the originals only have to survive one round of mold making if he uses first generation castings to assemble his production masters. I don't know what Pierre has invested in the project, nor what his anticipated production will be, but he's certainly taking a risk, and it's really on our behalf. I wish him well and will certainly be buying one of these models.

Disclaimer: I've done casting for Pierre but am not involved in this project.

Tom Madden
Re: the owner of the first tank car behind the locomotive

Todd Sullivan
 

And Carbide and Carbon Chemicals Company (CCBX reporting marks) had large operations in South Charleston, Clendenin and Institute, WV, and in Texas City and Seadrift, TX.  They produced a lot of industrial  chemicals including ethylene, Bakelite, butadiene and styrene.

Interesting history on the Union Carbide website and Wikipedia.

Todd Sullivan
Liverpool, NY
Re: the owner of the first tank car behind the locomotive

Bruce Smith
 

Interestingly, this car, which is clearly a retrofit of 2 additional compartments onto a single compartment car does not appear to be of General American design and in fact appears to be an AC&F designed car.  I know, lots of cars moved between companies :)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:41 PM, STMFC@... wrote:

As per the reporting marks, GATX is the car owner with number 31230. I think the lessor is Union Carbide, based upon the lettering on the lower side of the tank.

The larger lettering seems to read: Carbide and Carbon Chemicals Company.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jun 13, 2016, at 12:35 PM, 'Claus Schlund HGM' claus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,

Anyone have some ideas on the owner of the first (3-compaqrtment tank) car behind the locomotive? One can almost (but not quite)
make it out.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31038626@N07/3249257022/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund
Re: the owner of the first tank car behind the locomotive

Richard Townsend
 

The lessor is "Carbide and Carbon Chemicals Company" which was a subsidiary of Union Carbide established in 1920. The owner is General American.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Claus Schlund HGM' claus@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 11:35 am
Subject: [STMFC] the owner of the first tank car behind the locomotive

 
Hi List Members,

Anyone have some ideas on the owner of the first (3-compaqrtment tank) car behind the locomotive? One can almost (but not quite)
make it out.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31038626@N07/3249257022/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund
Re: the owner of the first tank car behind the locomotive

Eric Hansmann
 

As per the reporting marks, GATX is the car owner with number 31230. I think the lessor is Union Carbide, based upon the lettering on the lower side of the tank.

The larger lettering seems to read: Carbide and Carbon Chemicals Company.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jun 13, 2016, at 12:35 PM, 'Claus Schlund HGM' claus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,

Anyone have some ideas on the owner of the first (3-compaqrtment tank) car behind the locomotive? One can almost (but not quite)
make it out.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31038626@N07/3249257022/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund



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Re: Truck mounting

Bill Welch
 

Eric, I am wondering if these are new trucks or a re-packaging/branding of their previous model. They are sprung like their older truck and unlike the L-L P2K trucks they absorbed.

Bill Welch
Re: the owner of the first tank car behind the locomotive

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

 

Anyone have some ideas on the owner of the first (3-compaqrtment tank) car behind the locomotive? One can almost (but not quite)
make it out.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31038626@N07/3249257022/sizes/o/


       The owner clearly is General American, GATX. Probably you want to know the lessee, which I can't quite read either.

Tony Thompson
Re: Completely New Resin

Bill Welch
 

Gee whiz Jared, am I supposed to apologize because I enjoy building models?!

Bill Welch
the owner of the first tank car behind the locomotive

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

Anyone have some ideas on the owner of the first (3-compaqrtment tank) car behind the locomotive? One can almost (but not quite) make it out.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31038626@N07/3249257022/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund
Re: Completely New Resin

Jared Harper
 



Anything?  I really do not enjoy Building models.  I love the research and operating trains prototypically in a prototypical setting.  I build models to get from A to C.  So I won't have to do so much B I am having folks build models for me.  Right now Pierre Oliver is doing four cars for me.

Jared Harper

---In STMFC@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote :

Jared, I am retired. I don't do anything unless it is fun.

Bill Welch
Virtual RPM

Eric Hansmann
 

Fenton Wells shares a number of his recent freight car builds in a virtual RPM on the Resin Car Works blog. Check it out!

http://blog.resincarworks.com/virtual-rpm-2/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy
Re: Completely New Resin

Fred Jansz
 

Very convincing story that made my lousy prototype modeling day. I propose a Pulitzer prize nomination for Tom.
Fred Jansz
Re: Completely New Resin

Pierre Oliver
 

Those wrenches are not permitted in Canada. 

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 6/12/16 12:26 PM, tyesac@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Funny, verrrrry funny.  One question though... wasn't one of them equipped with internal racks to ship left handed monkey wrenches used to make perpetual motion machines? 


Tom Casey
The six cars were converted to Geometry cars. It's good to see that models will soon be available.

Isn't history interesting?

Tom Madden



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Skibbe mskibbe@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2016 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Completely New Resin

 
Post of the year, Tom!

Mike Skibbe

On Jun 11, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Brian carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
Someone 50 years from now will Google this and dear God help the prototype modelers then. 

Brian J. Carlson

On Jun 11, 2016, at 8:45 PM, pullmanboss@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
There were six of those cars. They belonged to the Canadian National's Mexican subsidiary, CNdeM. Designed by August Ferdinand  Möbius, they were unique in all of North America in having three sides. Side "A" was lettered CANADIAN NATIONAL of MEXICO, side "B", CANADIEN NATIONAL du MEXIQUE, and side "C", CANADIAN NATIONAL de MÉXICO. They were used in sealed, bonded service transporting brightly colored household goods from Mexico to Canada, and monochromatic outdoor furniture on the return trips.

The service was terminated after a particularly tragic event, when several Canadian citizens, fleeing the oppressive ennui of their homeland in search of a new, if not flamboyant, at least less boring, life south of the border(s). died in a sealed boxcar that was inadvertently routed through Chicago. When the car was finally opened, their last, heartbreaking words were found written on one of the inside walls. Those words resonate to this day to citizens of our neighbor to the north seeking something better: "Beige is not a color!"

The six cars were converted to Geometry cars. It's good to see that models will soon be available.

Isn't history interesting?

Tom Madden
 

Re: Completely New Resin

Bill Welch
 

Jared, I am retired. I don't do anything unless it is fun.

Bill Welch
Re: Completely New Resin

tyesac@...
 

Funny, verrrrry funny.  One question though... wasn't one of them equipped with internal racks to ship left handed monkey wrenches used to make perpetual motion machines? 

Tom Casey
The six cars were converted to Geometry cars. It's good to see that models will soon be available.

Isn't history interesting?

Tom Madden



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Skibbe mskibbe@... [STMFC] To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2016 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Completely New Resin

 
Post of the year, Tom!

Mike Skibbe

On Jun 11, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Brian carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
Someone 50 years from now will Google this and dear God help the prototype modelers then. 

Brian J. Carlson

On Jun 11, 2016, at 8:45 PM, pullmanboss@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
There were six of those cars. They belonged to the Canadian National's Mexican subsidiary, CNdeM. Designed by August Ferdinand  Möbius, they were unique in all of North America in having three sides. Side "A" was lettered CANADIAN NATIONAL of MEXICO, side "B", CANADIEN NATIONAL du MEXIQUE, and side "C", CANADIAN NATIONAL de MÉXICO. They were used in sealed, bonded service transporting brightly colored household goods from Mexico to Canada, and monochromatic outdoor furniture on the return trips.

The service was terminated after a particularly tragic event, when several Canadian citizens, fleeing the oppressive ennui of their homeland in search of a new, if not flamboyant, at least less boring, life south of the border(s). died in a sealed boxcar that was inadvertently routed through Chicago. When the car was finally opened, their last, heartbreaking words were found written on one of the inside walls. Those words resonate to this day to citizens of our neighbor to the north seeking something better: "Beige is not a color!"

The six cars were converted to Geometry cars. It's good to see that models will soon be available.

Isn't history interesting?

Tom Madden
 
Re: Completely New Resin

Jared Harper
 



Bill,

Where did you get the idea  that building railroad models was supposed to be fun?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


---In STMFC@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote :

Where would the fun be in that?!

Bill Welch
Re: Completely New Resin

skibbs4
 

Post of the year, Tom!

Mike Skibbe

On Jun 11, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Brian carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Someone 50 years from now will Google this and dear God help the prototype modelers then. 

Brian J. Carlson

On Jun 11, 2016, at 8:45 PM, pullmanboss@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

There were six of those cars. They belonged to the Canadian National's Mexican subsidiary, CNdeM. Designed by August Ferdinand  Möbius, they were unique in all of North America in having three sides. Side "A" was lettered CANADIAN NATIONAL of MEXICO, side "B", CANADIEN NATIONAL du MEXIQUE, and side "C", CANADIAN NATIONAL de MÉXICO. They were used in sealed, bonded service transporting brightly colored household goods from Mexico to Canada, and monochromatic outdoor furniture on the return trips.


The service was terminated after a particularly tragic event, when several Canadian citizens, fleeing the oppressive ennui of their homeland in search of a new, if not flamboyant, at least less boring, life south of the border(s). died in a sealed boxcar that was inadvertently routed through Chicago. When the car was finally opened, their last, heartbreaking words were found written on one of the inside walls. Those words resonate to this day to citizens of our neighbor to the north seeking something better: "Beige is not a color!"


The six cars were converted to Geometry cars. It's good to see that models will soon be available.


Isn't history interesting?


Tom Madden

 
Re: Completely New Resin

Pierre Oliver
 

I fear I'm now going to have to rewrite the car history to include this gem.

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 6/11/16 8:45 PM, pullmanboss@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

There were six of those cars. They belonged to the Canadian National's Mexican subsidiary, CNdeM. Designed by August Ferdinand  Möbius, they were unique in all of North America in having three sides. Side "A" was lettered CANADIAN NATIONAL of MEXICO, side "B", CANADIEN NATIONAL du MEXIQUE, and side "C", CANADIAN NATIONAL de MÉXICO. They were used in sealed, bonded service transporting brightly colored household goods from Mexico to Canada, and monochromatic outdoor furniture on the return trips.


The service was terminated after a particularly tragic event, when several Canadian citizens, fleeing the oppressive ennui of their homeland in search of a new, if not flamboyant, at least less boring, life south of the border(s). died in a sealed boxcar that was inadvertently routed through Chicago. When the car was finally opened, their last, heartbreaking words were found written on one of the inside walls. Those words resonate to this day to citizens of our neighbor to the north seeking something better: "Beige is not a color!"


The six cars were converted to Geometry cars. It's good to see that models will soon be available.


Isn't history interesting?


Tom Madden

 
RESIN KITS FOR SALE....

Mansell Peter Hambly
 



I have a listing of resin kits for sale. All are $30.00 (Americans in US$s, Canadians in CDN $s). Most are Sunshine Models, Most are Sunshine Models, 36 to be exact. Representatives from F&C, one of the same kit, Northern Specific and Southern Car & Foundry as well as a kit that has 3 GNR flat car kits from Chad Boas that include decks and decals from Portland Car & Foundry.

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Re: Completely New Resin

Charlie Vlk
 

These cars were equipped with Escher trucks at first which unfortunately were not successful because somehow the cars stayed in one place no matter how fast they were moved.
Charlie Vlk
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