Re: NKP 22000-22349 series boxcars
Photo references: Railmodel Journal 7/1989 p.9, 6/1993 pp.12-16 Tim O'Connor Nope: 22000-22349, and 22350-22499 (with end doors). All-steel boxcars built by Standard Steel in 1929. These were the first all-steel freight cars bought new by the NKP, and are vaguely similar to 1932 ARA boxcars. |
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Re: NKP 22000-22349 series boxcars
Ray Breyer
>>Double-sheathed rebuilds with a fairly deep inset sill. Z-bar callout was for the roof eave. Sunshine did the 10'6" rebuilds: >>http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun64b.pdf >>David Thompson
Nope: 22000-22349, and 22350-22499 (with end doors). All-steel boxcars built by Standard Steel in 1929. These were the first all-steel freight cars bought new by the NKP, and are vaguely similar to 1932 ARA boxcars. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL _ |
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Here is an interesting flat car load, dated 1918
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Here is an interesting flat car load, dated 1918. http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-8223.2556.rr;viewid=20120912-HPICASC-0103.TIF;x=6;y=8;width=9999;height=9609;res=0;view=image Some more info at the (massively long) link below... http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all&xc=1&g=imls&sort=dc_da&c=hpicasc&c=hpicchatham&c=hpiccma&c=hpiccmnh&c=hpichswp&c=hpicmonroeville&c=hpicnpl&c=hpicoakmont&c=hpicphlf&c=hpicpitcairn&c=hpicpointpark&c=hpicpso&c=hpicrsc&c=hpicusc&back=back1470505154&q1=railroad&chaperone=S-HPICASC-X-8223.2556.RR+20120912-HPICASC-0103.TIF&ox=-730&oy=-588&lastres=1&res=0&width=750&height=609&maxw=3000&maxh=2439&subview=getsid&view=entry&viewid=20120912-HPICASC-0103.TIF&entryid=x-8223.2556.rr&cc=hpicasc&quality=m800&resnum=3201&evl=full-image&image.x=3&image.y=4 Claus Schlund |
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Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?
Ted Culotta
Tim, I think if you look at the far right, you can discern sheathing boards. Also, the stencil on the door that is cut off on the upper edge of the photo looks to be "T&P" making it a T&P auto car, I believe built by Pressed Steel in 1929. Cheers, Ted Culotta Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media |
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Re: NKP 22000-22349 series boxcars
David
Double-sheathed rebuilds with a fairly deep inset sill. Z-bar callout was for the roof eave. Sunshine did the 10'6" rebuilds: http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun64b.pdf
David Thompson |
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Re: Anyone know what the reporting marks WHD stand for
Clause according to http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportw.html WHDX belongs to “The Western Heater Despatch”, which appears to be a Chicago & Northwestern Ry. Company.
http://www.nakina.net/other/report/report.html is an excellent source of information on reporting marks as it includes dates. Save or bookmark this url.
Doug Harding
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Anyone know what the reporting marks WHD stand for
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Anyone know what the reporting marks WHD stand for? See image below... http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-715.091278.cp;viewid=20090407-CP-0114.TIF;x=3;y=5;width=9999;height=9492;res=0;view=image Claus Schlund |
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Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?
Mike,
Bruce Smith From: STMFC@... on behalf of MDelvec952@... [STMFC]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 10:37 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stars On Boxcar Door? On the Lackawanna steel cabooses a star near the number denoted a flush toilet. Might convey the same message, after all.
....Mike Del Vecchio
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From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 11:18 am Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stars On Boxcar Door? The car appears to have steel side sheathing. The Southern Pacific had single sheathed auto box cars built with steel sheathing, such as the 50 foot A-50-10. But the posts and diagonals are closer together than on that SP car, so I wonder if this is a 40 foot car. Tim O'Connor Bob, |
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Re: Is There A Database for Dan Hall's Door Usage
On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:10 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane |
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Is There A Database for Dan Hall's Door Usage
Bill Welch
In looking through my photo collection I have identified two 1/87 models so far I want to build using Dan Hall's very fine doors: —A 1947 Blt. 40-ft. Monon Welded car with a 7-panel Superior door—this is actually fairly far along using a C&BT body sanded down. I am almost ready to apply Archer model aircraft panel line decals to replicate the weld lines. —A 1942 Blt. Southern 40-ft 10'6" high riveted car using the InterMountain kit and Red Caboose roof with DH's 5-panel Superior doors. I am aware of the DH door usage for ATSF and SP models. This leaves me wondering what the other possibilities are? Is there a database somewhere specifically for using Mr. Halls doors? Alternatively are there individuals here that have identified a model or models they plan to build with these doors that they would like to tell us about? Thank you! BIll Welch |
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Operator needed
Jared Harper
I need an operator for the Sunday, August 28th operating session on the Alma branch. The session will begin with lunch at noon. After lunch we will retire to the basement for a 2 1/2-3 1/2 hour ops session. Jared Harper 420 Woodward Way Athens, GA 30606 706-543-8821 |
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Re: Live Fire” Airbrushing Event at St. Louis RPM August 13: 1:00-3:30PM
Bob Miller <cajonpass02@...>
I plan on getting there early, Bill so I can be sure to get a slot. On Aug 5, 2016, at 12:44 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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FLAT CAR HAND BRAKE QUESTION
WILLIAM PARDIE
Does anyone have any information on the mechanics of the drop shaft handbrakes used on flat cars?
MY 1943 Car Builders Cyclopedia shows the front portion of his devise but I am curious as to how the chain couples to this. Is ther a second geared shaft behind the main shaft that is geared and wraps up the chain? The front photos do not sem to leave much room for wrapping the chain on th shaft. As usual thanks in advance for any help. b Bill Pardie |
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Re: Problems With Messages
Dave Nelson
How much can be answered (I own www.elvastower.com, a forum for train simming). There are plenty of reasonably prices hosting services out there. Bandwidth is inexpensive. What tends to drive costs these days is using up a lot of disk space. That’s a problem for sites that have a lot of downloadable content and/or a decade or more of lots of posts (with pictures). But even with a lot of disk a membership the size of STMFC would have no trouble paying for a domain, board software, and hosting via a $0.30/year per member fee. Maybe less. Make it a $1/year and you can accumulate some money as a safety net for future unexpected expenses. Or if an annual membership fee is unacceptable then $5, $10, or $20 annual donations from a much smaller number of persons would serve just as well – IOW a low amount from lots of donators or a higher amount from far fewer.
The difficult-to-cover expense is with administrators. Mike and Jeff handle an e-mail list well enough… running a board takes more time. You need one or more persons w/ technical skills to apply security patches and do board upgrades. You need a handful of people who can work together to keep things organized – by that I mean to relocate posts put into the wrong forum, to split threads when thread drift gets out of hand, to add or delete forums as you conclude there is a better way to structure things. It’s not that a lot of time is required all of the time but when something needs to be dealt with it’ll probably take more time than with an e-mail list.
As for what’s different, board software handles attachments much better so it becomes standard for photos to come along with posts. Board software handles threads better (what Yahoo calls topics), and board software gives you any number of forums so if you wanted forums by car type you can do that, if you wanted forums for semi-tangential topics, like track, you can do that too.
Dave Nelson
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
The alternative is for the group to provide (pay for) it's own web hosting servers by some other private or contracted provider. There has to be some certainty that as the need to account for the cost of providing the Yahoo groups feature is measured against the revenue return is weighed, somebody is going to pay. The "when & how much" can't be answered by anybody just yet.
Tom Casey |
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Re: Problems With Messages
Bob Chaparro writes: “I moderate three Yahoo groups having a combined membership of over 3,000. The last nine or ten days I have had numerous LONG delays posting my messages to my own groups as well as delays in posting to other groups. Several messages have not appeared at all after 24 hours...still waiting. I fear we are going to see increasingly bad service from Yahoo due to suspected cost-cutting (I have no proof) to offset poor earningsI have initiated discussions with the moderators of the larger Yahoo railroad groups to see if they are making plans to transition from Yahoo should problems increase. I am looking at alternatives for my groups.” Well, here’s a test. This message is for test purposes only. Please ignore. Sent at 12:49 EST.
Mike Brock STMFC Owner
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Ann Arbor Railroad Decal Set Available
Stephen Wilder
Smokebox Graphics has brought another steam-era decal set to the HO Scale market. Ann Arbor Railroad boxcars can be lettered with this new set, DF0487, which will complete up to four cars and sells for $10.
This set is primarily targeted at the 40’ steel boxcars built by ACF, Pullman Standard, and Wabash, and contains extensive data, two sizes of roadnames, and four different types of pennant heralds. A data sheet with sheet layout is included. These decals have been printed by Cartograf and have very fine detail.
Further information is available on our website at smokeboxgraphics.com.
Comments, questions, critiques, and complaints are welcome, but MUST be sent to me OFF LIST at smokeboxgraphics AT gmail.com.
Thank you,
Stephen Wilder
Smokebox Graphics |
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Live Fire” Airbrushing Event at St. Louis RPM August 13: 1:00-3:30PM
Bill Welch
Pardon the “shameless self-promotion” but I want to make sure there is no misunderstanding about what I am calling the “Live Fire” Airbrushing Event that is now scheduled for Saturday, August 13 from 1 PM to 3:30 PM. My concern is that the wording in the event’s flier (http://home.mindspring.com/~icg/rpm/stlrpm.pdf) says, “No reservations are necessary.” That is technically accurate. Attendees do need to make sure that they SIGN-UP for this opportunity however.
Here is the Drill: There will be a large Sign-Up Board near the Registration Desk. There are 48 slots and each person will have ten minutes with a two-minute transition time between slots. Please make a note of your time. It is important to be punctual.
Each Airbrusher will have an experienced Coach to offer advice and assistance as they paint. Four people will be painting at any one time. If there are slots open when we begin, feel free to sign up in one of the open slots. We will be using Badger Airbrushes and their Modelflex Acrylic paint.
If you missed the information I put out previously here is the link with all the skinny. The PDF does say “40” painters. That is an error because I cannot count: https://www.dropbox.com/s/69pw9e8gt1lohhz/Airbrushes%20101%20clinic%20.pdf?dl=0 See you there I hope! Bill Welch |
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Re: NYC 499000 series flat
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Kevin and List Members,
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In that case it is series NYC 499025-499029. Note that car 499027 is NOT a 90-ton car as you had specified in your original query. There is a diagram at the link below. http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-462.jpg I have no images of this specific series. Claus Schlund -----Original Message----- |
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Re: NKP 22000-22349 series boxcars
Ed Hawkins
blindog@... [STMFC] wrote:
Been looking for a photo of this series with no luck. I'm building a Third Rail Graphics model for a friend. This is a Front Range double-door 40-footer, but based on the data printed on the model I seriously doubt the prototype is a match for it. I'm curious what doors, roof, and ends this series had. I've looked on line, in the Morning Sun color guide, and so on.Scott, NKP 22000-22349 were built by Standard Steel Car Co. in 1929. The SSC builder photo obtained from Keith Retterer many years ago of NKP 22249 has a 10-29 build date. NKP 22350-22499 were the same except with end doors. The prototype cars were all-steel with 10'-0" IH, 12' clear door openings, sides with 3 panels to the left of the staggered door and 5 panels to the right, 3-section Dreadnaught ends (the "recessed type" with the seams across the corrugations, and Murphy flat-panel roof with Z-U eaves. Specialties included Youngstown doors, Peacock (22000-22249) and Ureco (22250-2234) hand brakes, and A.R.A. spring-plank trucks. Hope this helps. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Re: Problems With Messages
Aley, Jeff A
Marty,
Fear not. As this issue arose, I archived the entirety of STMFC (and Shake-N-Take) using PG Offline (the same program Doug Harding mentioned). It took about 4 days because Yahoo doesn’t let you grab it all at once. I have all of the messages (current through July 30, 2016), Files, and Photos. That archive is backed-up, and a copy will soon be shipped away from earthquake-prone California (where I live) to hurricane-prone Florida (where Mike lives).
We have also been investigating other similar places that can host STMFC. There are even ways to upload our archive of old messages, files and photos so that it will appear we’ve “been there the whole time”. I have no intention of moving STMFC until Yahoo (or its successor) kicks us out.
Regards,
-Jeff Aley Deputy Moderator, STMFC Deputy Moderator, Shake-N-Take
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 4:03 AM To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Problems With Messages
Wouldn't surprise me if Yahoo pulled the plugs on groups entirely. And I suspect if it happens it will be with little, if any, warning.
If that did happen, I'm sure we'd all find one another eventually. The larger concern is what would happen to the tremendous repository of knowledge that's been collectively built up over the 14+ years this group has been active. A while back we had some discussion that asked (I'm paraphrasing) - "What would replace STMFC Yahoo group as a community platform?" and "What would happen to the information currently on STMFC if Yahoo groups went away?" As I recall, our esteemed administrator decided such a discussion, limited specifically to STMFC and not Yahoo in general, was within scope for STMFC - But I'm not sure if we ever came up with any answers.
Marty McGuirk
From:
"thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
I moderate three Yahoo groups having a combined membership of over 3,000.
The last nine or ten days I have had numerous LONG delays posting my messages to my own groups as well as delays in posting to other groups. Several messages have not appeared at all after 24 hours...still waiting.
I fear we are going to see increasingly bad service from Yahoo due to suspected cost-cutting (I have no proof) to offset poor earnings. The recent sale to Verizon probably will result in more bad service as Verizon seeks (and I cannot blame them as it's their money) a good return on their investment.
I have initiated discussions with the moderators of the larger Yahoo railroad groups to see if they are making plans to transition from Yahoo should problems increase. I am looking at alternatives for my groups.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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