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Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

Clark Propst
 

There are a number of 2 bay covered hopper models available. Bowser, and Intermountain sell the 1958 cu ft model. Sometimes you can find Kato’s version at swap meets. Atlas and Kadee make the PS2 car. Kadee does both versions (older newer). Stick with a single railroad’s cars or local roads that might serve a concrete plant on your layout.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 
I have been following the BULK CEMENT conversations with great interest. Having grown up in Elizabeth, NJ, about two block from the Eport yard I remember seeing cars with gray streaks on them: now I know what they were. For me, the million dollar question is, what models exist? I'm on a very tight budget, but that will not preclude me from building a "fleet of cars" over time. I am modeling the fall of 1955. I am not modeling a specific prototype, but rather proto-lancing and minimally would like to have prototype cars running on the layout.


Any advice will be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,
Rich Ramik



Re: What is this car?

tyesac@...
 

Indeed!  The PDS that Martin included with the kit shows the the Fast Mail crossing Diablo Canyon bridge and there is at least two of the NYC cars in that train, as well as several PRR (B60 's and converted x29's) cars.   Any one of either NYC or PRR head end cars also show up in ATSF trains heading over Thehacapi on the way to Oakland.
 
Tom Casey
I caught Andy Sperandeo at a Naperville meet a few years back as he left the Sunshine sales room with a NYC milk/express car under his arm.  
I asked Andy if he was going to change prototypes (as if...). "No," he said, "these showed up all time in the Santa Fe mail train that ran over Cajon - mostly carrying magazines from east coast markets.

Marty McGuirk
 
 
 
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To: STMFC
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: What is this car?

 
I caught Andy Sperandeo at a Naperville meet a few years back as he left the Sunshine sales room with a NYC milk/express car under his arm.  
I asked Andy if he was going to change prototypes (as if...). "No," he said, "these showed up all time in the Santa Fe mail train that ran over Cajon - mostly carrying magazines from east coast markets.

Marty McGuirk


Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

O Fenton Wells
 

The Intermountain 1958 cu ft cars are my favorites for 1953.  These are square hatch.  Also check out F&C as they have some interesting ones as well.

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Re: battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe

Bruce Smith
 

Chuck,

Absolutely.  It was (and is) very common for railroads to designate a “high and wide” train where these loads are concentrated.  At least on my prototype, that train ran on the weekends to minimize opposing traffic.  Such trains might have restricted speeds and be limited as to where they could meet opposing movements.  Thus H&W loads might sit in a yard somewhere somewhat longer than the average car, waiting for their special movement.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Mar 13, 2016, at 11:04 PM, STMFC@... wrote:



 don't thin the two large loads atr necissaariily tto the same destination or ship. It could be that the ATSF chaose to move the two loads coupled togethre.

Chuck Y Louisville CO




Re: battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe

riverman_vt@...
 

Thank you Brian. That would make a lot more sense especially since the Watervliet (NY) Arsenal
was right between Albany and Troy on the D&H and that is where most of these naval rifles came 
from. Am I correct I thinking the rest of the cars handling the rifle are Pennsy or might they be an
earlier typr of D&H flat I am unfamiliar with?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: What is this car?

riverman_vt@...
 

   My money says the the car next to the troop sleeper is a NYC express reefer since they
had ice bunkers. The next car is probably also a NYC car but a milk car for carrying milk in 
40 qt. cans. These normally had six vents, NOT fans, along the roof centerline. The one on
the near end appears to be missing, which does not surprise me given what appear to be
patches on both ends of the roof. The Rutland had the exact same type of milk car but this
is way too far away for it to be a Rutland #340 series milk car. The milk car has been offered
in brass by Alco Models, Custom Brass and Railworks, in that order of release. Custom Brass 
offered the express reefer version as well and also a sliding door version that I understand was 
a later conversion often used for mail.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: What is this car?

Marty McGuirk
 

I caught Andy Sperandeo at a Naperville meet a few years back as he left the Sunshine sales room with a NYC milk/express car under his arm.  

I asked Andy if he was going to change prototypes (as if...). "No," he said, "these showed up all time in the Santa Fe mail train that ran over Cajon - mostly carrying magazines from east coast markets.


Marty McGuirk



Re: battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe

drgwrail
 

 don't thin the two large loads atr necissaariily tto the same destination or ship. It could be that the ATSF chaose to move the two loads coupled togethre.

Chuck Y Louisville CO


Re: battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe

tyesac@...
 

I wonder which route it took over the Santa Fe via Raton Pass, or the Belen cut-off.   It would have been quite a sight crossing the bridges at Abbo canyon, If the Northern route, is had to go pass Wooton ranch, the tunnel at6 Raton & glorietta Pass, over the spider bride in Apache canyon.
 
Tom Casey
The spacer is D&H 16109, which is part of the group from 16000-16150 of 33 foot flat cars with a capacity of 85,000 lbs.  As of 1943 there were 86 cars in this series.  There are no L&H reporting marks at this time.

The gun flats are PRR F22 flats and the car is headed over Cajon pass.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:37 PM
To: stmfc
Subject: [STMFC] battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe
 


One of the spacer flat cars is L&H:
 
 
Given my identifications today, I am not going to guess what the large vessel behind the gun barrel is!
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock

 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2016 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe

 
The spacer is D&H 16109, which is part of the group from 16000-16150 of 33 foot flat cars with a capacity of 85,000 lbs.  As of 1943 there were 86 cars in this series.  There are no L&H reporting marks at this time.

The gun flats are PRR F22 flats and the car is headed over Cajon pass.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:37 PM
To: stmfc
Subject: [STMFC] battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe
 


One of the spacer flat cars is L&H:
 
 
Given my identifications today, I am not going to guess what the large vessel behind the gun barrel is!
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock



repair notation

gary laakso
 

The switchman’s precarious position allows the full view of the caption at the bottom left side of the single sheathed boxcar:
 
Repaired by
DS Inc
East Roch. NY
11-24-41 
 
 
While I admit that I have not been looking in that position before, this is a new caption to me.  Likely the Dispatch Shops and was this confided to NYC or did other railroads add this notation on the side of their cars?
 
gary laakso
taking a break from adding grab irons to boxcars
south of Mike Brock


Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

richramik@...
 

I have been following the BULK CEMENT conversations with great interest.  Having grown up in Elizabeth, NJ, about two block from the Eport yard I remember seeing cars with gray streaks on them: now I know what they were.  For me, the million dollar question is, what models exist?  I'm on a very tight budget, but that will not preclude me from building a "fleet of cars" over time.  I am modeling the fall of 1955.  I am not modeling a specific prototype, but rather proto-lancing and minimally would like to have prototype cars running on the layout.


Any advice will be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Rich Ramik


Re: Steve Hoxie's S_N_T BX-28/31 car build

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Not at all, Greg.  I revised the list settings to allow attachments, so this should (and did) work.  I think it will also allow images to be embedded in the emails, but not sure about that.

Schuyler

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:21 AM
To: Shake_N_Take@...; resinfreightcars@...; STMFC@...
Cc: stevehprr@...; JGreedy@...
Subject: [STMFC] Steve Hoxie's S_N_T BX-28/31 car build

 

 

Hey Yuze Gize,

Here is a link to Steve Hoxie's recently completed ATSF BX-28 S_N_T USRA
rebuilt car. The car is nicely built and what I find most interesting is
the weathering he has applies, it is really well represented. I will let Steve
address his weathering process. I have urged Steve to join the Resin
Freight car list as well.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Shake_N_Take/photos/albums/1180061535

Now Schuyler is likely to imprison me for sending attachments but I want to
see if it works.

For those that don't belong I will try an attachment to see if it works.
If not then I will try to embed the image.

Thanks,

Greg Martin


Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

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Re: What is this car?

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Nelson wrote:
"Dang… knock me down with a feather!  A NYC milk car in California. I’d never have guessed that."
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Southern-Pacific-Original-Negative-Aerial-View-Oakland-Pier-1949-/262332031082?

It may have started life as a milk car, but I doubt it was carrying milk in this photo.  Possible number series of this car are:

NYC 6400-6430
NYC 6431-6483
NYC 6485-6535
NYC 6536-6555
NYC 6556-6575
NYC 6576-6605
NYC 6611-6660

103 of these cars were converted to baggage express cars and renumbered to NYC 9797-9899.

Photos:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-6443.jpghttp://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-6654.jpg

Go to
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS2.htm#milk for more details.


Ben Hom


Re: What is this car?

Dave Nelson
 

Dang… knock me down with a  feather!  A NYC milk car in California. I’d never have guessed that.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 3:00 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: What is this car?

 



It looks like a New York Central milk car. They were sometimes used in express service along with the Central's very similar express reefers.

-Phil

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Re: PFE 21919 R30-13

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mines wrote:

 
To beat a dead horse again did PFE orange sometimes bleach out to yellow? Even the dust jacket on the excellent book (worth every penny!)

shows a few reefers more yellow than orange.


   Yes, very much so. I was once handed a piece of PFE wooden sheathing which was quite yellow. I gave a small scrape with a thumbnail and it was bright orange underneath. But yes, yellowish on cars not recently painted is correct. Note I don't say "lemon yellow," like some models out there . . .
    I'm glad you don't want to "beat a dead horse again," and wonder why one would even do so the first time. Maybe Bruce can tell us .

Was there a regulation that said side grab irons on reefers had to be black? A regulation that said grab irons on cabooses had to be yellow? I've seen a few Erie caboose photos that show black grab irons.


     No. Up to the owner of the car(s).

Getting back to reefer books, any news on ART & FGE books?


       We have a book production process underway for the ART book. As for the FGE, we would love to publish it , if it happens to be submitted to us.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: PFE 21919 R30-13

Bruce Smith
 

Ed,

Sure I can find photos of PFE cars with body color grab irons... in the era when they were painted body color.  In the preceding era, they were black.  I can find no regulation specifying black paint on safety appliances.


Likewise depending on the era, cabin car grab irons could be body color or black, and not yellow.  For example, in 1944, both the the PRR's cabin cars and PFE reefers had black grab irons.


Given the photographic evidence, yes, PFE (daylight) orange could weather to a yellowish tone (but never really yellow... my eye always sees some orange overtones).


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of ed_mines@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 11:01 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: PFE 21919 R30-13
 


I look at photos of PFE reefers every day and many of them appear to have light colored grab irons.


To beat a dead horse again did PFE orange sometimes bleach out to yellow? Even the dust jacket on the excellent book (worth every penny!)

shows a few reefers more yellow than orange.


Was there a regulation that said side grab irons on reefers had to be black? A regulation that said grab irons on cabooses had to be yellow? I've seen a few Erie caboose photos that show black grab irons.


Getting back to reefer books, any news on ART &a! mp; FGE books?


Ed Mines





Re: battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe

Bruce Smith
 

The spacer is D&H 16109, which is part of the group from 16000-16150 of 33 foot flat cars with a capacity of 85,000 lbs.  As of 1943 there were 86 cars in this series.  There are no L&H reporting marks at this time.


The gun flats are PRR F22 flats and the car is headed over Cajon pass.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:37 PM
To: stmfc
Subject: [STMFC] battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe
 


One of the spacer flat cars is L&H:
 
 
Given my identifications today, I am not going to guess what the large vessel behind the gun barrel is!
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock



Re: battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe

Brian LaManna
 

List,

Respectfully, I think the flat in question may be D&H.  I have no ORER to confirm this, but the Lehigh & Hudson River's reporting marks were "LHR" and no "R" can be seen in the shot.  I think the remainder of the "D" is obscured by the stake pocket.  

A neat shot.

Brian LaManna


To: STMFC@...
From: STMFC@...
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 17:37:39 -0400
Subject: [STMFC] battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe

 

One of the spacer flat cars is L&H:
 
 
Given my identifications today, I am not going to guess what the large vessel behind the gun barrel is!
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: What is this car?

Philip Lee
 

It looks like a New York Central milk car. They were sometimes used in express service along with the Central's very similar express reefers.
-Phil


battleship gun barrel on the Santa Fe

gary laakso
 

One of the spacer flat cars is L&H:
 
 
Given my identifications today, I am not going to guess what the large vessel behind the gun barrel is!
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock

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