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Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?

Eric Hansmann
 

Do those stars indicate the type of auto rack installed in the box car?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


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Does anyone know the meaning of the two stars on the boxcar door seen on this photo link?

 

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/8th-february-1936-a-large-group-of-transient-men-is-led-back-onto-a-picture-id3206074

 

I cannot determine the owner of the boxcar.

 

The caption reads, "A large group of transient men is led back onto a train boxcar to send them away from Los Angeles, California. They had arrived in California by riding in the freight boxcars on February 8th, 1936."

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: NORTHERN PACIFIC 82990 SEREIES STOCK CAR

Steve SANDIFER
 

The crossmembers of the kit match up with the rivets very well.

 

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J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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---In STMFC@..., <PARDIEW001@...> wrote :

I have not had any success in finding the layout of the structural underframe of the Northern Pacific stock car from Central Valley.
I have , however, learned that there are at least two of these cars in railroad museums. One is at the Northwest Railway Museum
in Snoqualmie, Washington and the other is at the Lake Superior Railroad Museum in Duluth, Minisota. Hopedfully someone
on this list lives in the general vacinity of one of these museums and would be kind enough to shoot a few photos of the car's
underframe.

Any help would be appreciated.

Billl Pardie

Here's a hint... remember I said that many / most steam era freightcar underframes DID NOT have the crossbearers in line with the side posts? Well, those crossbearers still need to be attached to the side sills, and the attachment rivets on the sill are a dead giveaway as to their location. Take a look at these two pix:
NP 82995

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NP 82995

NP 82995 NP 82995 at Hardin, MT

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NP 83099

 See the pairs of rivets on the sill in the first and second panels out from the door? These are undoubtedly the attachment points for the cross bearers, just as the pair in the last panel, next to the post, are the attachment for the body bolster, the rivets for the edge toward the center of the car are hidden by the post. These are a feature you'll find on almost all steam era freightcars, because at the time welded fabrication was uncommon.

 

Given the location of these rivets, the CV crossbearer location appears to be correct:

http://www.cvmw.com/imagecvmw/1001album/image/690_cv_1000_und2bw.jpg

 

  Now the only question is are the crossbeares / cross ties the correct shape, and since CV went to the pains of making them different, I'd guess they had some reference material to work with.

 

I will be up at the Lake Superior railway museum in late September. If the car is accessible, I'll see what I can do for pix.

 

Dennis Storzek

 

 

 

 


Stars On Boxcar Door?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Does anyone know the meaning of the two stars on the boxcar door seen on this photo link?

 

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/8th-february-1936-a-large-group-of-transient-men-is-led-back-onto-a-picture-id3206074

 

I cannot determine the owner of the boxcar.

 

The caption reads, "A large group of transient men is led back onto a train boxcar to send them away from Los Angeles, California. They had arrived in California by riding in the freight boxcars on February 8th, 1936."

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: NORTHERN PACIFIC 82990 SEREIES STOCK CAR

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <PARDIEW001@...> wrote :

I have not had any success in finding the layout of the structural underframe of the Northern Pacific stock car from Central Valley.
I have , however, learned that there are at least two of these cars in railroad museums. One is at the Northwest Railway Museum
in Snoqualmie, Washington and the other is at the Lake Superior Railroad Museum in Duluth, Minisota. Hopedfully someone
on this list lives in the general vacinity of one of these museums and would be kind enough to shoot a few photos of the car's
underframe.

Any help would be appreciated.

Billl Pardie

Here's a hint... remember I said that many / most steam era freightcar underframes DID NOT have the crossbearers in line with the side posts? Well, those crossbearers still need to be attached to the side sills, and the attachment rivets on the sill are a dead giveaway as to their location. Take a look at these two pix:
NP 82995NP 83099

 See the pairs of rivets on the sill in the first and second panels out from the door? These are undoubtedly the attachment points for the cross bearers, just as the pair in the last panel, next to the post, are the attachment for the body bolster, the rivets for the edge toward the center of the car are hidden by the post. These are a feature you'll find on almost all steam era freightcars, because at the time welded fabrication was uncommon.


Given the location of these rivets, the CV crossbearer location appears to be correct:

http://www.cvmw.com/imagecvmw/1001album/image/690_cv_1000_und2bw.jpg


  Now the only question is are the crossbeares / cross ties the correct shape, and since CV went to the pains of making them different, I'd guess they had some reference material to work with.


I will be up at the Lake Superior railway museum in late September. If the car is accessible, I'll see what I can do for pix.


Dennis Storzek


 


 


Re: NORTHERN PACIFIC 82990 SEREIES STOCK CAR

Bill Welch
 

Just curious, it is known for sure there is something wrong with the CV U/F arrangement of its various members? Dennis has noted that U/F cross members did not always line up with superstructure bracing.

Bill Welch


Re: NORTHERN PACIFIC 82990 SEREIES STOCK CAR

Brad Andonian
 

Bill,

Please contact me off list.
I am in Seattle and may be able to help

On Tuesday, August 2, 2016, 10:17 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC] wrote:

 


I have not had any success in finding the layout of the structural underframe of the Northern Pacific stock car from Central Valley.
I have , however, learned that there are at least two of these cars in railroad museums. One is at the Northwest Railway Museum
in Snoqualmie, Washington and the other is at the Lake Superior Railroad Museum in Duluth, Minisota. Hopedfully someone
on this list lives in the general vacinity of one of these museums and would be kind enough to shoot a few photos of the car's
underframe.

Any help would be appreciated.

Billl Pardie


NORTHERN PACIFIC 82990 SEREIES STOCK CAR

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I have not had any success in finding the layout of the structural underframe of the Northern Pacific stock car from Central Valley.
I have , however, learned that there are at least two of these cars in railroad museums. One is at the Northwest Railway Museum
in Snoqualmie, Washington and the other is at the Lake Superior Railroad Museum in Duluth, Minisota. Hopedfully someone
on this list lives in the general vacinity of one of these museums and would be kind enough to shoot a few photos of the car's
underframe.

Any help would be appreciated.

Billl Pardie


Re: Clark Side Dump Car

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Scott...

I have an old metal kit for a side dump. I'll dig it out and post the info.

Scott Chatfield

That sounds like the Model Engineering Works kit.

Jack Burgess


Thank you John ,Do you have photos of all three? Armand Premo: Re: FW: 120 ton crane (Southern Pacific)

Armand Premo
 

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Re: Clark Side Dump Car

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Chuck Davis wrote:

The only HO model of a Clark side dump gondola I'm aware of was also
imported by W&R. The Lehigh Valley had 26 of them built in 1926 in the
99958-99995 series. I know the N&W and BC&G and many other also had them.
It would be great to see them in plastic or a 3d printed version. I'm sure
there are detailed plans for them out there somewhere.

There was an article in the NMRA Magazine a few years ago (2013?) on scratchbuilding a Clark side dump. Interesting car. It was by the gentleman who models the Buffalo Creek & Gauley in S Scale.

The Walthers side dump is a modern 100-ton Difco, not a Magor. Too new for this list obviously.

I have an old metal kit for a side dump. I'll dig it out and post the info.

Scott Chatfield


New CNWHS Modeler

ron christensen
 

A new CNWHS Modeler is on line

Minneapolis and St Louis, Winthrop Roundhouse

CGW X29 Hide Car

Essential Businesses Lumber Yards and lumber movement - Part 5

Pickle Salting Stations

L.C.L. Operations Part II

Cars Received and Forwarded on the Minneapolis and St. Louis Division of the C&NW: Part 2

http://www.cnwhs.org/modeling.htm

Ron Christensen



Re: FW: 120 ton crane (Southern Pacific)

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Rutland has three wreckers: X490, 60-ton, built 1903, X454, 60-ton, built 1910, and X-160, 150-ton, built 1929, sold to the Maine Central in about 1965, dieselized, and renumbered a couple of times.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
 
 

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John ,What size were the Rutland Cranes ? Armand Premo

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Re: FW: 120 ton crane (Southern Pacific)

Armand Premo
 

John ,What size were the Rutland Cranes ? Armand Premo

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Re: FW: 120 ton crane (Southern Pacific)

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

90 tons was a rare size of Industrial Works wrecker. The usual capacities were 75 tons (first built in 1903), 100 tons (first built 1904), 120 tons (first built 1909) and then 150 tons (first built 1911). The latter two were similar at first in general appearance except for a heavier boom on the 150-tonner.
 
By the 1920s both sizes were being built with a longer, straighter boom. An attempt was made to persuade Tichy to issue a customizing kit that might include this longer boom, but I do not know what happened to it.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
 
 

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Yes I have .I was thinking of a lighter boom……..say 90 ton .Armand Premo

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Re: FW: 120 ton crane (Southern Pacific)

Armand Premo
 

Yes I have .I was thinking of a lighter boom……..say 90 ton .Armand Premo

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Clarification Magor air dump car

Steve SANDIFER
 

I am sorry to all that I was not clear. I was thinking in ATSF terms, for transition era modelers where the 1928 Magor 30 cu yard, 50 ton, 34'6" car was the newest on the system. ATSF did not get more dump cars until 1956, also Magor, but too late for my modeling period.

 

Looking at the Magor book, it shows NYC X-6665 as bult in 1927 from an order for 20 of them, Lot P-6219, NYC X-6638-X6645 and X6652-X6665.

Evidently SP also has a lot of 20 from June, 1929. 18 were still in service in 1959.

Also  shown are photos of DL&W 95772, part of an order of 25, 95750-95774.

CP had  nearly identical cars built by National Steel Car Co in 1931.

Oliver Iron Mining also had 40 of the cars.

 

According the W&R sheets:
ACY, painted black, cars X940-X943 (4 cars)
DMIR, Oxide red, W1280-W1299 (20 cars)
GN, mineral red, S2054-X2068 (15 cars)
also had these cars. Possibly others???

Now to the original question: I have basic plans and photos of ATSF equipment, If any of the rest of you are interested, send me photos or plans of your railroad's cars. If anyone has the complete W&R decal instruction sheet which details the owners that would be helpful also.

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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Which size? Armand Premo

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Re: Magor air dump car

Allan Smith
 

A few years ago Walthers did a model of the Difco Side  Dump car. Car number 186243 which shows as 186230-186259 GA-209 40' Difco blt 4-81.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca


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Which size? Armand Premo

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Re: FW: 120 ton crane (Southern Pacific)

William Dale
 

Mr. Premo,

      Have you kicked the idea around of using the Athearn crane boom with the Tichy / Gould Brownhoist kit.  It has worked well for those of us modeling the Lehigh & New England.

William Dale


Clark Side Dump Car

Layout Tour
 

The only HO model of a Clark side dump gondola I’m aware of was also imported by W&R.  The Lehigh Valley had 26 of them built in 1926 in the 99958-99995 series.  I know the N&W and BC&G and many other also had them.  It would be great to see them in plastic or a 3d printed version.  I’m sure there are detailed plans for them out there somewhere.

 

Chuck Davis

Norfolk VA


Re: FW: 120 ton crane (Southern Pacific)

Armand Premo
 

Too bad that Tichy doesn’t make different booms for lighter cranes .Armand Premo

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