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Re: MAINLINE MODELER a different point

golden1014
 

Couldn't agree with you more, Greg. I don't think print is dead. I don't subscribe to any magazines any more but I did finally get 2016 MRP yesterday, and it's great to curl up with a good magazine at the end of the day.

I think the modeling community could use a great print magazine. As you know I worked on the SCL Modeler for the first ten issues and loved doing it. It was as good as I could make it. I think the MM concept could thrive today but it would take the right guy, with the right vision, and the right energy, to bring in HO, O, P48, NG, N together in an interesting format that applies to everyone in a relevant format. It's not easy. Running an RPM meet is easier.

Back on the subject: MM was one of the reasons I returned to model railroading in the 80s. It was so real, and useful. One of my favorite articles appeared in the late 80s and was on building patterns and casting N&W low side gons. It was fantastic. It was a new and interesting subject, with drawings and history. The article had useful techniques on how to build and finish the car. The whole enchilada. That article changed my modeling life--I became a "freight car guy" and have been one ever since. Many of Greg's articles were a great influence. today I'm blessed to be here with all you fellow thinkers and builders.

Which reminds me...I have the similar Sunshine N&W low side gon built and painted. I need to get off the internet and get that finished.

John Golden
Albersbach, Germany

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3 MAINLINE MODELER a different point Tue May 24, 2016 11:59 am (PDT) . Posted by: tgregmrtn Gene writes in part :


Ready-to-Run models and highly accurate resin kits killed any thoughts of
developing the Cadre of readers who would contribute worthy articles.

Gene Deimling
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

All,

I have known Bob Hundman for a very long time. And I have what might be a
unique relationship with Bob and Mainline Modeler. We are still in touch as
I am with some of the "crew" that made up the core of Mainline over the
years, Dave Peck, and Bob Zenk, I have lost touch with Jeff but admire his
work very much.

Bob would say, " the biggest mistake we made was not to make the hobby
bigger, but to make the hobby smaller..." and in a way it did, or at least at
the time. Gene has pointed this out above and Dennis might agree with that.

Bob likely doesn't realize that the fellowship Mainline created (as you
can see from the thread here) is actually bigger now than it was then, our
small piece of the puzzle has grown, and has had an impact on the hobby and
how it addresses the fidelity to detail that we now expect. I have tried to
point this out; however, as Tony has so clearly identified, Bob is strong
in his convictions, perhaps a bit too much in my most humble opinion. The
puzzle has added many pieces and dimensions or perhaps clans, that was
inevitable I suppose, STMFC, BBM, Modern Modelers and the like. But I don't see
us as fractured as Bob or others might think. I see as a fellowship,
striving for the same goals, checking our egos at the door as I have professed
since the very first PROTOTYPE RAILS so many years ago.

I have the opportunity and blessings of Bob to perpetuate Mainline Modeler
if I so desire, he just reminded me today as we chatted. ~BUCKET LIST~
Bob just celebrated his 81st birthday yesterday and I celebrate my 61st in
just a couple of weeks. To him I am a kid... To me he is a beacon...

Near the end of Mainline Modeler Bob was of the opinion that the magazine,
Tony, Richard and I had discussed this in the past, was more about
presentation than content, an opinion both Jeff and I adamantly rejected, but Bob
was being Bob.

Likely the hardest thing for anyone involved with Mainline wanted to admit
was that magazine was dead, but at the time with the decline in authors,
content, and the revenues dropping like a stone it was time, but in my most
humble opinion not to go away but to evolve, from traditional print media
to something else.

Mainline gave us something different, modeling content, if not in the
modeling precisely then in the form of inspiration for better modeling. A
tradition I hold dearly...

We talk as if all the good projects are gone, and I say that we haven't
scratched the surface, there is so much yet to be done we need to embrace the
modeling not yet offered... ONE PLACE, ONE IDEA, ONE FELLOWSHIP.. .

Print is not done, I have always said "feed your head" if your library
isn't full what is your excuse, the Internet cannot replace a library, but a
library might include a different print media like a DVD and a visit to
the Internet, but the Internet should never keep you from your modeling. As
my shirt reads, "Why Yes, I have done some modeling" ... It will be the
theme for PROTOTYPE RAILS 2017, its time has come!

I refuse to publicly discuss his business practices as I don't agree with
them especially near the end, and I did let him know personally and
privately, with all do respect this is not a forum for that.


Greg Martin

"Why Yes, I have done some modeling" ...

Thanks!
John

John Golden
Albersbach, DE

St. Louis RPM: 12-13 Aug, 2016 at the Gateway Convention Center
http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm


Re: Chalk marks and reweigh information

Tony Thompson
 

Michael Gross wrote:

 

And Clover House has dry transfer chalk marks in both white and yellow.


     I like the dry transfer form for chalk marks because they can go over the weathering without gloss.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Scale Etched Chains

Bill Welch
 

Here are some interesting etched chains: HO Chains & Binders with Hooks or Shackles - pdc.ca

Freight Car Brake Chain Plus | Freight Car Brake Gear Chain


Bill Welch



Re: MAINLINE MODELER

Dan L. Merkel <danmerkel@...>
 

I get a page not found error.

dlm
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Dan L. Merkel


Re: MAINLINE MODELER a different point

Douglas Harding
 

Greg, well said and I agree. I believe the hobby has grown and expanded with the help of MM. I know for me the magazine opened my eyes to techniques not seen in other publications, beyond the NGSL Gazette (to which I still subscribe even though I do not model narrow gauge). I learned how to do.

 

And your comments about building a library hit home. Preparing for a move I have just packed my RR library, 70 boxes of books and magazines, plus two four drawer file cabinets. And just tonight I added a 1924 ARA “Codes for LCL Rules” pamphlet. May need to start another box VBG.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Chalk marks and reweigh information

Layout Tour
 

Clover House has dry transfer chalk marks in 3 colors and a couple of scales:

http://cloverhouse.com/Store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=chalk+mark

 

Chuck Davis

Norfolk VA


Santa Mineral Brown

Ken O'Brien
 

I'm looking for an acrylic paint to do up some Santa Fe wooden cabeese. I have some PollyScale Mineral Red, but it looks too red. Suggestions?

Ken O'Brien



Re: Chalk marks and reweigh information

Michael Gross
 

And Clover House has dry transfer chalk marks in both white and yellow.


Re: MECHANICAL REFRIGERATOR CARS

Greg Martin
 

Bill,

It has been so long since I looked at them you may be right.
 
The drawings are out there, there are at least three set, but no one is willing to share.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 5/24/2016 2:43:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

 

Greg I assume you mean the kit with Grapefruit size rivets? Way overdue to be done with modern tooling. Again Tangent, InterMountain are you listening?


Bill Welch


Re: Chalk marks and reweigh information

Jim Hayes
 

Armand, I have a lot of partially used Sunshine chalk marks that I know I'll never use. I'd be happy to pass along a bunch. Send me your address and I'll mail you a handful.

Jim

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Armand Premo armprem@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I have exhausted my supply of Sunshine Chalk marks and Champ reweigh data.Is there a current source for this type of information?Armand Premo



Re: Chalk marks and reweigh information

Paul Krueger
 

Ted has a set of chalk marks.

http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d135-freight-car-chalk-markings/

Paul

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Chalk marks and reweigh information

Armand Premo
 

I have exhausted my supply of Sunshine Chalk marks and Champ reweigh data.Is there a current source for this type of information?Armand Premo


Re: MECHANICAL REFRIGERATOR CARS

Bill Welch
 

Greg I assume you mean the kit with Grapefruit size rivets? Way overdue to be done with modern tooling. Again Tangent, InterMountain are you listening?

Bill Welch


Re: MAINLINE MODELER

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

One additional caveat about the MM scans is that for enlargements above 150% the photos get too fuzzy to read car lettering under 4 in. actual height and above 200 they start to pixilate.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: MAINLINE MODELER


As a test I printed the box car drawing that was spread across
pages 17-18 in the above sample. The images did print, one
concern that has been voiced,
and the quality was adequate for building a model of the car.

If you needed crisper detail, there are plenty of surplus
paper copies of the magazine out there once you know which
issue you need.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman


Re: MAINLINE MODELER

Scott H. Haycock
 

I noticed that if you join the society for a year, The DVDs are only $200.00. The membership is $45.00, and includes their magazine. All around, a better deal!



Scott Haycock


 

Actually, we do have an answer, at least in my mind. I was fortunate to see a sample of the pdfs from Volume 1 No. 1 and volume 27 No. 8. The text quality is slightly better than the MR scans, the B&W photos are well lighted and sharp with mostly very good grayscale reproduction, and the color photos are vivid. Line drawings vary in crispness, but are suitable for enlargement or reduction. The only down side is that photos and line drawings are frequently split over two pages as they were in the print version.


Re: MECHANICAL REFRIGERATOR CARS

Greg Martin
 

Bill Welch writes in part:

"I have suggested to Greg using the Accurail Sliding Flush Door kit for a "Shake'n Take" project to model one of FGE or WFE's 40-foot Mechs. WFE's may have been aluminum as the photos I have show them without paint except for their stenciling.

Bill Welch"
 
 
Bill and all,
 
It is on the list of things to come. And I do own several of the Pacific HO 50-ft mechanicals.
 
 
Greg
 
"Why Yes, I have done some modeling"...


MAINLINE MODELER a different point

Greg Martin
 

Gene writes in part :

Ready-to-Run models and highly accurate resin kits killed any thoughts of developing the Cadre of readers who would contribute worthy articles.

Gene Deimling
______________________________________________________________________
 
All,
 
I have known Bob Hundman for a very long time. And I have what might be a unique relationship with Bob and Mainline Modeler. We are still in touch as I am with some of the "crew" that made up the core of Mainline over the years, Dave Peck, and Bob Zenk, I have lost touch with Jeff but admire his work very much.
 
Bob would say, " the biggest mistake we made was not to make the hobby bigger, but to make the hobby smaller..." and in a way it did, or at least at the time. Gene has pointed this out above and Dennis might agree with that.
 
Bob likely doesn't realize that the fellowship Mainline created (as you can see from the thread here) is actually bigger now than it was then, our small piece of the puzzle has grown, and has had an impact on the hobby and how it addresses the fidelity to detail that we now expect. I have tried to point this out; however, as Tony has so clearly identified, Bob is strong in his convictions, perhaps a bit too much in my most humble opinion.  The puzzle has added many pieces and dimensions or perhaps clans, that was inevitable I suppose, STMFC, BBM, Modern Modelers and the like. But I don't see us as fractured as Bob or others might think. I see as a fellowship, striving for the same goals, checking our egos at the door as I have professed since the very first PROTOTYPE RAILS so many years ago.
 
I have the opportunity and blessings of Bob to perpetuate Mainline Modeler if I so desire, he just reminded me today as we chatted.   ~BUCKET LIST~  Bob just celebrated his 81st birthday yesterday and I celebrate my 61st in just a couple of weeks.  To him I am a kid... To me he is a beacon...  
 
Near the end of Mainline Modeler Bob was of the opinion that the magazine, Tony, Richard and I had discussed this in the past, was more about presentation than content, an opinion both Jeff and I adamantly rejected, but Bob was being Bob.
 
Likely the hardest thing for anyone involved with Mainline wanted to admit was that magazine was dead, but at the time with the decline in authors, content, and the revenues dropping like a stone it was time, but in my most humble opinion not to go away but to evolve, from traditional print media to something else.
 
Mainline gave us something different, modeling content, if not in the modeling precisely then in the form of inspiration for better modeling. A tradition I hold dearly...
 
We talk as if all the good projects are gone, and I say that we haven't scratched the surface, there is so much yet to be done we need to embrace the modeling not yet offered... ONE PLACE, ONE IDEA, ONE FELLOWSHIP... 
 
Print is not done, I have always said "feed your head"  if your library isn't full what is your excuse, the Internet cannot replace a library, but a library might include a different print media like a DVD and a visit to the Internet, but the Internet should never keep you from your modeling.  As my shirt reads, "Why Yes, I have done some modeling"... It will be the theme for PROTOTYPE RAILS 2017, its time has come!
 
I refuse to publicly discuss his business practices as I don't agree with them especially near the end, and I did let him know personally and privately, with all do respect this is not a forum for that.
 
 
Greg Martin
 
"Why Yes, I have done some modeling"...
 
 
 


Re: MAINLINE MODELER

Rod Miller
 

On 5/24/16 9:38 AM, karenparker@... [STMFC] wrote:


You can view a sample PDF at

http://cohs.org/repository/samples/COHS_Mainline_Modeler_Sample.pdf

This includes a total of 38 pages, 25 from the first issue of Mainline Modeler,
and the remainder from the last issue. There are several drawings and quite a
few photos included.

Personally, I find the quality to be much better than the Model Railroader DVD,
but it still isn't full print quality. None the less, it's probably good enough.

Bob is still active, working closely with the C&O Historical Society, primarily
on steam locomotive and freight car drawings.

I'm a member of the COHS, and work closely with Bob on the drawings project, but
had nothing to do with the Mainline Modeler DVD effort.

Karen Parker

karenparker@...
As a test I printed the box car drawing that was spread across
pages 17-18 in the above sample. The images did print, one
concern that has been voiced,
and the quality was adequate for building a model of the car.

If you needed crisper detail, there are plenty of surplus
paper copies of the magazine out there once you know which
issue you need.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2016 Meet is May 5 - 7
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Re: MAINLINE MODELER

Karen Parker
 

You can view a sample PDF at 

http://cohs.org/repository/samples/COHS_Mainline_Modeler_Sample.pdf

This includes a total of 38 pages, 25 from the first issue of Mainline Modeler, and the remainder from the last issue. There are several drawings and quite a few photos included. 

Personally, I find the quality to be much better than the Model Railroader DVD, but it still isn't full print quality. None the less, it's probably good enough. 

Bob is still active, working closely with the C&O Historical Society, primarily on steam locomotive and freight car drawings.

I'm a member of the COHS, and work closely with Bob on the drawings project, but had nothing to do with the Mainline Modeler DVD effort.

Karen Parker

karenparker@...



Re: MAINLINE MODELER

Curt Fortenberry
 


Not too mention the dawn of the internet and folks putting their work on line versus selling it to the print media would also cut down on potential authors.  Look at the hard work of a few who do the internet modeler e-zines (ACL/SAL, PRR, CNW, etc).

Curt Fortenberry

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