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Re: NYCSHS Central Headlight 2nd Qtr 2016 - NYC Automobile Cars 1916

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I've seen several references to sealing or removing one of the doors in auto cars. Why was this done?  I would think the large opening would be useful for more than just autos. 
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One of the major commodities loaded in boxcasr was grain, and the wide door openings made the car unsuitable for grain loading. The wide door opening took twice as many grain doors, and twice as much work to cover, and was still more likely to leak.

Dennis Storzek



Re: NYCSHS Central Headlight 2nd Qtr 2016 - NYC Automobile Cars 1916

Benjamin Hom
 

Matt Goodman asked:
"I've seen several references to sealing or removing one of the doors in auto cars. Why was this done?  I would think the large opening would be useful for more than just autos."

It's one less thing to maintain, and this usually coincided with the availability of newer cars with double doors, making the older cars obsolete for their original service, and the fact that there was always a great demand for general service boxcars.  For example, the N&W Class BP automobile boxcars were a related design to PRR Class X28 - steel door-and-a-half automobile boxcars built during the 1920s with relatively small cubic capacities (9 ft 3 in IH).  Made obsolete as automobile boxcars by the widespread adoption of Evans Auto Racks, both classes were eventually rebuilt into general service boxcars, losing the auxiliary door and having the opening sheathed over.  While PRR rebuilt the cars to Class X28A during their 1930s car rebuilding programs (Class X24 automobile cars to K7A stock cars; Class X26 boxcar improvements), N&W didn't rebuild the cars immediately and ran them for a time with the doors sealed with stenciling noting that fact.  N&W did eventually remove and replace the doors, creating Class BPA.


Ben Hom


Re: NYCSHS Central Headlight 2nd Qtr 2016 - NYC Automobile Cars 1916

 

I've seen several references to sealing or removing one of the doors in auto cars. Why was this done?  I would think the large opening would be useful for more than just autos. 

As a side question, it would seem to me that autos are a relatively light load for the volume they occupy. We're auto cars sprung differently (i.e. softer) because of this?

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

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On May 20, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Ben Hohm has wisely advised that the NYC auto cars would and did logically deliver new cars to a dealer near your modeled railroad.  Another frequently found application for older, smaller auto cars is that they were re-classed into general XM boxcar service.  This would bring on 'free-roaming' as these cars might find suitable assignments wherever they next were found empty.  "Merchandise"or LCL opportunities were good because such cars would often not need full cubic or weight capacity as opposed to adequate floor space for many various cartons and crates.  In such service, doors beyond the basic single left and right would often (but not necessarily) be "sealed" to render them inoperative.  Two NYC likely one-time auto cars (194949 and 198541) were in March of 1956 delivering green hides to Coudersport, Penna., having been loaded in Detroit, Mich.  There are lots of opportunity for former auto cars and many more for those older, lower capacity NYC house cars.

Happy diverse model railroading!
Mike Schleigh from Grove City in the western fringes of Pennsylvania


On Friday, May 20, 2016 6:52 PM, "Hugh mguill1224@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Go to the NYCSHS website.  Copies of the Central Headlight can be purchased, probably through the Collinwood Shop.  Over the years some excellent articles on NYC freight cars have been published.  An index to the Central Headlight is also available.  Hugh T Guillaume, former board member of the NYCSHS
 
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Re: Spring 2016 issue of The Keystone Modeler

Clive Riley
 

Hundman to the best of my knowledge has never acknowledged that he had a lot of unfulfilled subscriptions or authors that apparently had never been paid for their articles in MM. It was good enough for him ‘to take the money and run’ as they say without any explanation to the people who had supported him thru ‘thick & thin’. He seems to have a cosy relationship with a couple of major Eastern R/R historical societies but frankly I wouldn’t deal with that individual or knowingly purchase anything associated with him. He left a very bad taste in my mouth and a few others as well.

 

Clive Riley.

 

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On 5/20/2016 7:36 PM, lajrmdlr@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

$250.00



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Took me a while to find it:

 

http://chessieshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3291

 

It’s not cheap, but it *is* Mainline Modeler.

Do we get a discount to compensate us for the remaining unfulfilled Mainline Modeler subscriptions?

Spen Kellogg


Re: Past Magazines

 

Thanks to everyone to the various sources for Mainline Modeler information. It was very much appreciated!


Matt Goodman
Columbus, OH US

On May 20, 2016, at 7:24 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Took me a while to find it:
 
 
It’s not cheap, but it *is* Mainline Modeler.
 
Regards,
 
-Jeff
 
 
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Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:12 PM
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Matt

 
The C&O Historical Society has the complete run of Mainlline Modeler available on DVD. Check their web sitewww.chessieshop.com or contact them by phone.
 
Karen
 
Karen Parker




Re: Ventilation Covers - Bohn Convertible?

Galen Gallimore
 

Thanks, Keith & Bob.  Here's a link to the ventilators Westerfield offers in the detail parts section (even though the photo with the link shows a very nice N&W hopper). 

Sadly, I have no prototype reference photo for the Purina Ventilated car.  I just like the look of the ventilators from Savala Ranch because they resemble the shape of the vents in the kit.  An article in MR from wayback when mentioned these cars were ice reefers that had been converted to ventilator service, but gives no mention of who made the vents.  I like to upgrade classic kits with better parts, so unless I discover otherwise, I may end up using the Bohn castings from Westerfield.  Nobody else can say they're wrong if I can't prove they're right, right?  And if they can prove otherwise, I'll gladly change my car to reflect the new (old) reality and happily share that info with the greater modeling community.

Anyway, thanks for the help.  If someone out there has a prototype shot of a Ralston Purina reefer with the ventilators showing (or any other ventilated car that comes close) please let me know.

Thanks again,

Galen

Westerfield Models, LLC - 4924 BOHN REEFER VENTILATORS

 


Re: Spring 2016 issue of The Keystone Modeler

Benjamin Hom
 

Spen Kellogg wrote:
"Do we get a discount to compensate us for the remaining unfulfilled Mainline Modeler subscriptions?"

Or unpaid compensation to authors for published articles?


Ben Hom


Re: Spring 2016 issue of The Keystone Modeler

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 5/20/2016 7:36 PM, lajrmdlr@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

$250.00



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Took me a while to find it:

 

http://chessieshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3291

 

It’s not cheap, but it *is* Mainline Modeler.

Do we get a discount to compensate us for the remaining unfulfilled Mainline Modeler subscriptions?

Spen Kellogg


Re: Ventilation Covers - Bohn Convertible?

Keith Jordan
 

To piggyback on Bob Chaparro's comments:

The Santa Fe-designed curved ventilators were used on classes Rr-S, -T, -U, -V, -W, from 1912-1920. The cars in the photos were probably one of the first four classes, as the (USRA style) Rr-Ws were rebuilt in the late 1930s-early 1940s into all-steel cars. The earlier classes were not rebuilt.

Westerfield has the above cars as stock items and may sell the ventilators separately.

Keith Jordan


Re: Ventilation Covers - Bohn Convertible?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This appears to be a Santa Fe reefer. The ventilators are a Santa Fe design, not Bohn.


I believe the term "convertible" actually refers to the a Bohn designed "collapsible" refrigerator car bulkhead.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Spring 2016 issue of The Keystone Modeler

 

$250.00


---In STMFC@..., <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote :

Took me a while to find it:

 

http://chessieshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3291

 

It’s not cheap, but it *is* Mainline Modeler.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Past Magazines

 

 

Matt

 

The C&O Historical Society has the complete run of Mainlline Modeler available on DVD. Check their web site www.chessieshop.com or contact them by phone.

 

Karen

 

Karen Parker

Karenparker@...



$250.00 - jeez louise some people must be VERY rich & the Society too!

Andy Jackson


Re: NYC Auto Cars

jczzo126 CocuzzaT
 

Two very good photos of these cars were recently on George Elwwood's Fallen Flags website. Look in the NYC section, car numbers were 69136 and 69114, by Jim Parker, Taken in Toronto, 1956. It was very timely, a friend of mine is bashing one of these and needed good photos. 

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Armand Premo armprem@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I can document 41 NYC auto cars on Train # 9 of the Rutland during the month of 12/50.Armand Premo



Re: Grandt Line Midwest Petroleum

Douglas Harding
 

Jeff according to my notes from a conversation with Dave Grandt he used prototypes based in Colorado, New Mexico and Texas. The Midwest Petroleum kit was a culmination of features from a variety of oil jobbers. At least that is what I wrote in the review, Jan 2002 RMC. The building was a separate kit and may indeed have a different prototype, it is not like any I have seen in the mid-west or great plains regions.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Ventilation Covers - Bohn Convertible?

Galen Gallimore
 

These reefers are on blocks behind the Savala Ranch Fruit Stand in San Jacinto, CA.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZMDGLbc5_zU/U9Dmi8-VMsI/AAAAAAAAEOw/SVAE1q5fgtM/s1600/IMGP4454.JPG


I am looking for information on Ventilators - and have read through the threads RE: Bohn Ventilators in this group already.  I have an old Purina Reefer that came with little wood blocks for ventilators, though someone had built the one I bought with reefer hatches even though the sides clearly say, "FLAT FLOOR / DO NOT LOAD WITH ICE / VENTILATED". 


I am considering purchasing a set of Bohn Ventilators from Westerfield, but I'd really like something that looks more like this photo I found, with the rounded scoop look.


Can anybody help?


Thanks,


Galen Gallimore


Re: Metal Sill Steps (was Re: delran steps)

jczzo126 CocuzzaT
 

Tittle Industries. They were (are?) a manufacturer of steps and grab irons. A quick Google search turned up some of their stuff on E-Bay, but I don't know if they are still in business.

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:19 AM, stevehprr@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Tony--A-Line I know well and use. Tuttle I have never heard of. Is this a new line?

Thanks!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



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Were those plastic steps always made of Delran?

When the injection molded plastic steps first came out I found that they were fragile. Has anything changed?


     The styrene ones, if scale thickness, were so fragile you could about breathe on them and they would break. Great choice, manufacturers. But Delrin is an entire different animal, provided you want to keep plastic sill steps. I usually replace with A-Line or Tuttle metal ones.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history







NYC Auto Cars

Armand Premo
 

I can document 41 NYC auto cars on Train # 9 of the Rutland during the month of 12/50.Armand Premo


NYC Auto Cars

Armand Premo
 


Re: Grandt Line Midwest Petroleum

Aley, Jeff A
 

For what it’s worth, here’s some additional data:

Topeka, KS had a string of bulk petroleum dealers where the UP and RI crossed.  Per the 1913 Sanborn Map (corrected to Sept 1950):

 

Champlin Oil Co: 4 small tanks, 4 large gasoline tanks.  All vertical.

Phillips Petroleum Co: 4 gasoline tanks, 3 oil tanks.  All horizontal.

Liberty Oil Co: 3 small gasoline tanks.  All vertical.

Continental Oil Co: 5 oil tanks.  All vertical.

Sinclair Refining Co: 5 tanks, 11,000 gals each.  All horizontal.

 

In Lawrence KS, according to the Sanborn Map of Jan. 1927 (corrected to Aug 1949):

Barnsdahl Oil Co: 3 tanks, 12500 gals each.  All horizontal.

Champlin Oil Co: 3 tanks, 12000 gals each.  All horizontal.

Sinclair Oil Co: 4 tanks, 20150 gals each (?).  All horizontal.  The second digit of the capacity is obscured.

Phillips Petroleum Co: 3 tanks, 17500 gals each.  All horizontal.

 

Steam-era photos in my collection corroborate the descriptions on the maps.  I do not have a photo of a multi-compartment tank car at any of these dealers, but that won’t stop me!

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 4:52 PM
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Having three tanks is better than none but five is preferred and not rare (maybe regional) per the photos I have taken of these dealers in the Midwest over the years.  After all, while GL provides only three tanks their load out shelter for loading delivery trucks has five spouts for five products.  Five products also provides more opportunity for spotting those neat little tank cars.

 

Bill Darnaby 

 


From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 3:35 PM
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Bill Darnaby wrote:



 

 

FWIW, I found the Williams Brothers tanks to be oversize plus not being suitable for horizontal mounting.  The GL tanks are the gold standard.  The only bad thing about the GL kits is that there are only three tanks while a typical dealer carried five products thus requiring the purchase of five kits to get three complete dealers.  I have several Sohio dealers on the layout to provide destinations for my UTLX X-3's (required freight car content).

 

  I agree about the Williams tanks. The GL kit only having three tanks is not ALL bad -- dealers with a all tanks identical were pretty rare. One can easily make an extra horizontal or vertical tank or two to add to a GL kit.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         http://www.signaturepress.com/

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 



 


Re: NYCSHS Central Headlight 2nd Qtr 2016 - NYC Automobile Cars 1916

Schleigh Mike
 

Ben Hohm has wisely advised that the NYC auto cars would and did logically deliver new cars to a dealer near your modeled railroad.  Another frequently found application for older, smaller auto cars is that they were re-classed into general XM boxcar service.  This would bring on 'free-roaming' as these cars might find suitable assignments wherever they next were found empty.  "Merchandise"or LCL opportunities were good because such cars would often not need full cubic or weight capacity as opposed to adequate floor space for many various cartons and crates.  In such service, doors beyond the basic single left and right would often (but not necessarily) be "sealed" to render them inoperative.  Two NYC likely one-time auto cars (194949 and 198541) were in March of 1956 delivering green hides to Coudersport, Penna., having been loaded in Detroit, Mich.  There are lots of opportunity for former auto cars and many more for those older, lower capacity NYC house cars.

Happy diverse model railroading!
Mike Schleigh from Grove City in the western fringes of Pennsylvania


On Friday, May 20, 2016 6:52 PM, "Hugh mguill1224@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Go to the NYCSHS website.  Copies of the Central Headlight can be purchased, probably through the Collinwood Shop.  Over the years some excellent articles on NYC freight cars have been published.  An index to the Central Headlight is also available.  Hugh T Guillaume, former board member of the NYCSHS
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 



Re: Past Magazines

Aley, Jeff A
 

Took me a while to find it:

 

http://chessieshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3291

 

It’s not cheap, but it *is* Mainline Modeler.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Past Magazines

 

 

Matt

 

The C&O Historical Society has the complete run of Mainlline Modeler available on DVD. Check their web site www.chessieshop.com or contact them by phone.

 

Karen

 

Karen Parker

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