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Re: 36-foot box car data files

Bill Welch
 

First of all what a great thing to be doing for the rest of us. Thank you Ray and Eric!!!!!!!!

Just couple of comments to set the historical record straight that Ray can probably edit into what he created. 

The S&A nominal 40-ft cars are ex-FEC ventilated boxcars. I did my model 20+ years ago using Westerfield ends and u/f from his FEC vent kit w/scratch-built roof, doors and sides. I think F&C now has a kit.

The F&N car mentioned towards the end of Ray's article is an ex-L&N vent.

Wouldn't it be great if Dennis could post some photos of their progress w/these kits so far just to wet our appetites?!

Bill Welch


36-foot box car data files

Eric Hansmann
 

The first in a prototype data file series has been introduced on my blog. The initial entry covers prototype details on one of the upcoming Accurail HO scale models; the 36-foot, double sheathed box cars with steel roofs, ends, and fishbelly centersills. Accurail is working on four variations of these cars and data files will be posted for each of these in the months ahead. Ray Breyer did the heavy lifting on the first data file. Check it out, here on my blog.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/02/25/prototype-data-files-pt-1/


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: ANDREWS TRUCKS

Tony Thompson
 

Steve Hoxie wrote:

 

Hi Tony--I do remember a couple of iterations of the docs.google document. It does an exceptional job of displaying nearly all of the HO model trucks available.

      Yes, a number of the omitted trucks were because Richard believed they were too generic or too poorly rendered to include.

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Re: ANDREWS TRUCKS

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Tony--I do remember a couple of iterations of the docs.google document. It does an exceptional job of displaying nearly all of the HO model trucks available.

The Model Railroad Hobbyist article deals with the history, development, and different types of prototype trucks.

Both of these articles are essential to the prototype modeler.

Instead of using the mrhpub.com link, for me it is more user friendly to go to

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/back-issueshttp://

and download the May 2013 issue of MRH.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL








Re: Great Gondola End Shot

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Apparently it is a Pennsylvania Tank Car company car.  The dome platform hanging from the dome is a unique spotting feature and the large poling pocket on the end of the bolster was also typical of their underframe design, with no side or end sills.  There is likely another safety valve on the opposite side of the manway cover on the dome.

 

Steve Hile

 


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Doesn't do me much good, but one of you tank car experts can likely figure it out.

John Grube


Re: Great Gondola End Shot

John Grube
 

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Doesn't do me much good, but one of you tank car experts can likely figure it out.

John Grube


Re: Great Gondola End Shot

Bruce Smith
 

​Dennis,

Initially, I thought so as well, but I think that is just a distortion of the perspective.  The walkway appears to be right on top of the draft gear if you look closely, the metal brace in the foreground does not look like a UTLX V or X and the shadow of the car doesn't show the shadow of the walkway where it would be on a V or X.  Thus I vote for a GATC car.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Currently located in the Auburn University Brewing Science Laboratory :)



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Tank car. Flat cars need a frame under the deck, tank car walkways don't. As high as the walkway is above the coupler, it's likely a UTLX V or X.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Great Gondola End Shot

destorzek@...
 

Tank car. Flat cars need a frame under the deck, tank car walkways don't. As high as the walkway is above the coupler, it's likely a UTLX V or X.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Great Gondola End Shot

John Barry
 

Looks like a flat car to me.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]"
To: stmfc
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:55 AM
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Look at the fitting holding the brake hose on the gondola on the right and the size of the brake platform.  Any idea what the car is on the left? 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock



Re: Great Gondola End Shot

tyesac@...
 

The car on the left is a tank car.   The lack of heavy framing  underneath the walkway  plus the top mounted cut lever is the give away.  Looks like the work crew is causght in the act of positioning some heavy duty car jacks.
 
Tom Casey
 
Look at the fitting holding the brake hose on the gondola on the right and the size of the brake platform.  Any idea what the car is on the left? 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 
 
 
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Look at the fitting holding the brake hose on the gondola on the right and the size of the brake platform.  Any idea what the car is on the left? 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: Great Gondola End Shot

Eric Hansmann
 

I'd say the car on the right is a GS class PRR gondola.

The car on the left looks like it needs some work. 


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On February 24, 2016 at 7:55 AM "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Look at the fitting holding the brake hose on the gondola on the right and the size of the brake platform.  Any idea what the car is on the left? 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Great Gondola End Shot

gary laakso
 

Look at the fitting holding the brake hose on the gondola on the right and the size of the brake platform.  Any idea what the car is on the left? 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: chalk marks on tank car dome

Bruce Smith
 

Gary,

Neat find.  Likely instructions to or from the loading crew as to what to put in the car.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Feb 24, 2016, at 7:51 AM, STMFC@... wrote:

While they could have been used to guide switch moves, a switchman would have to climb the ladder and stretch to use the caulk that only could be read from the end of the car.    It’s a Jack Delano picture:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


chalk marks on tank car dome

gary laakso
 

While they could have been used to guide switch moves, a switchman would have to climb the ladder and stretch to use the caulk that only could be read from the end of the car.    It’s a Jack Delano picture:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Modeling Blog- building Mather boxcar

Gene Deimling
 


I just published an update to my blog on building the Mather Muncie & Western boxcar.

Check it out

http://wp.me/p3M0JV-mn
-- 

Gene Deimling

El Dorado Hills, CA


Re: ANDREWS TRUCKS

Tony Thompson
 

One of the last, if not the last, articles published by the late Richard Hendrickson was all about freight car trucks. It can be accessed at 

   And was somewhat expanded and corrected a year later, and is downloadable from Google Drive at this link:



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Re: ANDREWS TRUCKS

pennsylvania1954
 

Richard--Thanks for reminding us of Richard H's truck article. Great info.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: ANDREWS TRUCKS

Ray Breyer
 

It sure would be nice if someone came out with a new T-section truck. The old Walthers ones are OK, but they haven't run their solid sideframe versions in a long time. And there's too little variety between theirs and Central Valley, Train-Miniature, and Kadee. A 5' or 5'4" wheelbase version would be a great addition to a pre-WWII modeler parts inventory, especially if it was Tahoe quality (or at least Accurail value!).
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Additionally, I believe the Kadee Andrews truck represents a T- or L-section truck while the Tahoe and Accurail models reflect U-section designs.
 
I prefer the T- or L-section Andrews trucks under m 36-foot box cars, based upon prototype images. I just wish Kadee would produce their truck in te newer HGC compound as I find the sprung truck appearance to be annoying.
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 
 
 
 

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      One important Andrews spotting feature is the tie bars which hold the bottom of the journal boxes. The USRA version, often modeled, has two short tie bars extending horizontally on either side of the spring package opening in the sideframe. An earlier Andrews design used a single, long tie bar that ran beneath the bottom of the sideframe and connected to the journal boxes on either side. This is the design modeled by the Kadee Andrews truck, their number 509. I am aware of the latter mostly because the Andrews trucks used by SP were predominantly of the long-tie-bar type.
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Re: ANDREWS TRUCKS

Tony Thompson
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:

 
Additionally, I believe the Kadee Andrews truck represents a T- or L-section truck while the Tahoe and Accurail models reflect U-section designs.

   Yes, it's an L-section truck. Exactly what SP used.

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Re: ANDREWS TRUCKS

Eric Hansmann
 

Additionally, I believe the Kadee Andrews truck represents a T- or L-section truck while the Tahoe and Accurail models reflect U-section designs.

 

I prefer the T- or L-section Andrews trucks under m 36-foot box cars, based upon prototype images. I just wish Kadee would produce their truck in te newer HGC compound as I find the sprung truck appearance to be annoying.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


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      One important Andrews spotting feature is the tie bars which hold the bottom of the journal boxes. The USRA version, often modeled, has two short tie bars extending horizontally on either side of the spring package opening in the sideframe. An earlier Andrews design used a single, long tie bar that ran beneath the bottom of the sideframe and connected to the journal boxes on either side. This is the design modeled by the Kadee Andrews truck, their number 509. I am aware of the latter mostly because the Andrews trucks used by SP were predominantly of the long-tie-bar type.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 



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