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Re: Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
Gary Roe
Claus, When I worked for a railroad back in the 70's, riding on the top of cars was not done, of course. However, some of the older fellows used a signal similar to the one shown; but it has to be animated to be shown properly. They would stretch their arms out like that to indicate that the cut was nearing where they wanted to stop. The Engineer would start slowing down. Then, as the cut got within a car length or so, the Switchman would rock his body side to side, bending at the waist, arms still outstretched. The Engineer would start applying the brakes. Just before the cut reached where they wanted it to stop, the Switchman would drop both arms in the traditional "stop" signal. Hope you can get the idea from my description. gary roe quincy, illinois
On Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 07:50:39 AM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
The set of images linked below show a trainman on top of a boxcar giving
hand signals to the locomotive crew. The title sez 'Switchman giving the "go
ahead" signal on an Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad train'. Can someone comment on
what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
Thanks in advance
Claus Schlund
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Re: Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
I've seen that gesture used on the ground to show how close cars were coming to be coupled.
The brakeman with arms extended would bring both outstetched hands toward each other as the cars were moving to show the relative gap closure, until he grasped both hands to indicate the coulping was achieved. Helpful when pushing cars together that were a few car lengths away from the locomotive. The brakeman could also use that gesture in reverse (hands together then arms spread out), to signal the engneer to pull away as the coupler pin has been lifted. I'm not sure why this appears on top of a box car unlss there is another meaning. It's not the best place to stand and signal a "go ahead". Ed Bommer
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Re: Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
Charles Morrill
Assuming that the switchman is facing away from the loco: the signal is "easy goes it" "slow down" "one car length to stop". Charlie
From: "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)" <claus@...> To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 7:50:23 AM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is? Hi List Members,
The set of images linked below show a trainman on top of a boxcar giving
hand signals to the locomotive crew. The title sez 'Switchman giving the "go
ahead" signal on an Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad train'. Can someone comment on
what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
Thanks in advance
Claus Schlund
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Re: Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
radiodial868
That must be a staged photo or a lot of artistic license. Even when men were men, you wouldn't stand on top of an icy running board of a car being switched like that. Couldn't see anything from that standpoint anyway.
BTW, this is one of the best explanations of all the signals I've come across, including some that don't show up in the Rues book of the RRs I follow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJc1ljBmZk -- ------------------- RJ Dial Mendocino, CA
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Can someone comment on what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
The set of images linked below show a trainman on top of a boxcar giving
hand signals to the locomotive crew. The title sez 'Switchman giving the "go
ahead" signal on an Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad train'. Can someone comment on
what the exact meaning of the shown hand signal is?
Thanks in advance
Claus Schlund
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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?
Robert kirkham
Thanks Bruce - for consulting w/ Rapido as well as the answer to my question. Nice to know I am starting weathering from a good place.
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Rob
On Oct 26, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote: Rob, Disclosure #1 - I advised Rapido on this project as a member of the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee team for the X31A. Disclosure #2 - I am chair of the PRRT&HS Paint Committee, so I have access to the full resources of the committee, which aren't yet publicly available, but which we're trying to do. I photographed a Rapido X31A double door car with the new PRRT&HS color drift cards for 1930s (left) and 1940s (right) Freight Car Color (attached). To my eye, and acknowledging the difficulties in comparing these due to some gloss reflection, the car looks spot on for new 1940s FCC. My approach to weathing will vary across the cars that I have. I'll use colors across the spectrum, but will generally work to fade lettering, lighten panels, darken seams, and soot up the roofs. Weather away! Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:25 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour? CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn. Picked up my X31s today in the circle keystone scheme and was a bit surprised by the colour. For 1946, how good is this colour to those of you who have studied it? I’m trying to figure out direction to go when I weather the cars. Rob Kirkham
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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?
gary laakso
Bruce, you have most excellent eyes! Rapido really did a fine job matching paints.
Gary Laakso
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 7:00 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?
Rob,
Disclosure #1 - I advised Rapido on this project as a member of the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee team for the X31A.
Disclosure #2 - I am chair of the PRRT&HS Paint Committee, so I have access to the full resources of the committee, which aren't yet publicly available, but which we're trying to do.
I photographed a Rapido X31A double door car with the new PRRT&HS color drift cards for 1930s (left) and 1940s (right) Freight Car Color (attached). To my eye, and acknowledging the difficulties in comparing these due to some gloss reflection, the car looks spot on for new 1940s FCC.
My approach to weathing will vary across the cars that I have. I'll use colors across the spectrum, but will generally work to fade lettering, lighten panels, darken seams, and soot up the roofs.
Weather away!
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour?
Rob,
Disclosure #1 - I advised Rapido on this project as a member of the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee team for the X31A.
Disclosure #2 - I am chair of the PRRT&HS Paint Committee, so I have access to the full resources of the committee, which aren't yet publicly available, but which we're trying to do.
I photographed a Rapido X31A double door car with the new PRRT&HS color drift cards for 1930s (left) and 1940s (right) Freight Car Color (attached). To my eye, and acknowledging the difficulties in comparing these due to some gloss reflection, the car looks
spot on for new 1940s FCC.
My approach to weathing will vary across the cars that I have. I'll use colors across the spectrum, but will generally work to fade lettering, lighten panels, darken seams, and soot up the roofs.
Weather away!
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:25 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - freight car colour? CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
Picked up my X31s today in the circle keystone scheme and was a bit surprised by the colour. For 1946, how good is this colour to those of you who have studied it? I’m trying to figure out direction to go when I weather the cars. Rob Kirkham
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question
Dennis that's outstanding and even more amazing that's it pad printed. Might be worthwhile to buy a laser printer... 😁 Tim O'Connor
On 10/26/2021 5:56 PM, Dennis Storzek
wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 01:30 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question
Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 01:30 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
try laser printing "ghost" decals that are so light the weathering shows through them... 😁Accurail actually did something like this a number of years ago on a custom job for the Soo Line Historical & Technical Society. The prototype was a group of almost new hoppers the Soo bought second hand from the BRC. Since the paint was like new, they just painted over the lettering and re-stenciled them. Twenty years later, the original lettering was showing through.  While these were done by pad printing, the same steps could be done for art for "Ghost toner" decals. This artwork was done in Adobe Illustrator, but Corral Draw and others should have similar settings. The "fill" color was set at a transparency setting somewhat less than 100%, and Eric found a setting that gave a mottled effect. I think they turned out well. Dennis Storzek
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question
Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
Thanks for that information. How were the coal tar chips unloaded from the car?
Jim van Gaasbeek Irvine, CA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question
try laser printing "ghost" decals that are so light the weathering shows through them... 😁
On 10/26/2021 4:11 PM, Todd Sullivan
via groups.io wrote:
Eldon, --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question
Todd Sullivan
Eldon,
I thought your weathering of the X31 in coal tar chip service was right on. Somewhere, I found a photo of adingle door car tht had weathered right down to bare rusted metal, with that bluish purple tone on much of the surface. I started an undecorated Bowser model and painted one side in PollyScale, no lettering. Wasn't sure how I would do the lettering later - maybe heavily sanded decals. Anyway, thanks for the cameo on how these cars were used.  thanks for Todd Sullivan
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Bob;
That particular car was in a small series of X31a converted from general service cars for coal tar chip service. They had hatches added to load the chips through a hatch, not the doors.
There were a few of these wandering around in my day, and they looked entirely thrashed.
Some believed these cars were converted for flour, but I don’t buy it. They were at the end of service life, and not good enough/tight/clean for flour service. Besides, the one clear pic shows evidence of the tar drips down the side.
Tar chips were commonly used in the day for melting in either roof repair or road repair. If a few chips missed the hatch, they gradually melted in the sun and dripped down.
Oh well.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:24 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question
As equipped with roof hatch covers, what commodities did these cars carry?
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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Tony Thompson
On Oct 18, 2021, Ed Sutorik wrote:
That is only the nominal capacity. Look at the load limit. Tony Thompson tony@...
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question
Bob,
Coal tar chips.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
As equipped with roof hatch covers, what commodities did these cars carry?
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Help with MEC boxcar color
I'm getting ready to do a MEC 1923 ARA (X29) car in the green with yellow logo. I know TCP makes a green color but I read an article about a better green paint that wsn't a railroad color in a magazine article. Of course I cannot find the article as my filing system is just too secure. I should have worked for NSA.
Can anyone help or give a suggestion to a laquer base dark green for this project. Thanking all in advance Fenton
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Amen Chuck
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 12:59 PM Charles Happel via groups.io <cghappel2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Charles Happel
Tanks for the memories. Chuck Happel The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. Albert Einstein
On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 10:17:55 AM EDT, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote: Back home from my trip. Here are those M103s.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <bpehni@...>
While in the future of this list, I photographed several M103s on flat cars in Anniston, GA during a Southern Steam Excursion from Columbus, GA in about 1975.
Thanks! Brian Ehni
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "spsalso via groups.io" <Edwardsutorik@...>
In 1949, the T43 heavy tank was approved for development. It eventually became the M103 heavy tank, of which 300 were built.
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a PRR boxcar - roof question
As equipped with roof hatch covers, what commodities did these cars carry?
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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