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Re: longevity of Pennsy X26 class

John Barry
 

Railgoat has a photo of NWP 1918 looking pretty original with a 1950 reweigh date.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


From: "Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: longevity of Pennsy X26 class

 
Bill,

Ditto that for a very few RF&P USRA SS cars. There were still about 18 in 1958.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 12/15/15 5:04 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
The Clinchfield's USRA SS 50-ton cars were never rebuilt and lasted into the fifties and would look just fine behind a GP-7 Scott. The correct decals can be purchased from Westerfield.

Bill Welch




Re: longevity of Pennsy X26 class

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill,

Ditto that for a very few RF&P USRA SS cars. There were still about 18 in 1958.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/15/15 5:04 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

The Clinchfield's USRA SS 50-ton cars were never rebuilt and lasted into the fifties and would look just fine behind a GP-7 Scott. The correct decals can be purchased from Westerfield.


Bill Welch


Re: L&N ARA SS Boxcar (12000-13499)(was Re: Prototype Railroad Profile series)

Steven D Johnson
 

Bill,

 

L&N went to using the smaller reporting marks (9 inches tall) and car numbers (7 inches tall) about the fall of 1946, according to copies of some L&N stenciling diagrams I have.

 

Steve Johnson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 2:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: L&N ARA SS Boxcar (12000-13499)(was Re: Prototype Railroad Profile series)

 

 

Steve I have four photos of these cars with the smaller reporting marks and car numbers the L&N began using circa 1950-51. Their reweigh dates are 4-52, 10-51, 5-51, and 8-53. None of these are dated in terms of when they were photographed. Bob's Photo has 12071 (5-51) but I am not sure it is in stock. #12808 (4-52) was acquired from Rail Data Service but I think Jay Williams is printing this collection now. #12091 (10-51) is from the late Bruce Meyer (and features a lad I believe to be a very young Bob Hundman in the photo providing a sense if scale). I don't know the status of that collection. I think I own the only hard copy of #12580 (8-53) as I purchased it from Ted Culotta.

 

What I am about to say could easily be interpreted as me being a "smart aleck" and I do not wish to come across that way so please don't take it that way. All of these photos are in the new Profile I am reviewing on the Resin Car Works Blog. I hope this helps you.

 

Bill Welch


Re: L&N ARA SS Boxcar (12000-13499)(was Re: Prototype Railroad Profile series)

Tony Thompson
 

Chuck Yungkurth wrote:

 
I have seen many of my photographs in print credited to Bob's Photos.
So my conclusion is the the negative were either loaned to or purchased by Bob's Photos.

  Bob, like many of the photo sellers, is not particularly good about crediting sources on his prints, though of course he has plenty of photos for which he doesn't know an origin. Often if you ask him, though, he can supply a name.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: L&N ARA SS Boxcar (12000-13499)(was Re: Prototype Railroad Profile series)

pennsylvania1954
 

Bill and Chuck--Thanks for the help. Knowing that the photos are in the Profile is all I need. I will be making Ted's Christmas a tiny bit merrier later this evening.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: longevity of Pennsy X26 class

Eric Hansmann
 

The B&O was assigned 500 USRA single-sheathed cars and designated as the
M-24 class. My data goes to 1954 but there are 490 listed in the
187004-187494 series. I don't believe these were rebuilt, although some were
converted to hopper use for construction projects in the 1930s.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 1:54 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] longevity of Pennsy X26 class

According to the caption on page 33 of Morning Sun's Pennsy Color Guide
Volume 2 (I don't have V1), the Pennsy took 9900 USRA single-sheathed
boxcars as their class X26. (Not news) Between 1945 and 1949 they
rebuilt 3500 as class X26C. What were classes X26A and X26B? And
several photos of unrebuilt X26s are on eBay taken in the '50s, so they
were still in service until, say, 1955. Keeping in mind that by 1958
25% of the Pennsy's freight car fleet was bad ordered (per a 1958 issue
of Trains), many never to run again, did any unrebuilt X26s make it into
the '60s in revenue service?

Still haven't decided what to do with that Tichy USRA kit I bought years
ago.....

Scott Chatfield


Re: longevity of Pennsy X26 class

Bill Welch
 

The Clinchfield's USRA SS 50-ton cars were never rebuilt and lasted into the fifties and would look just fine behind a GP-7 Scott. The correct decals can be purchased from Westerfield.

Bill Welch


Re: longevity of Pennsy X26 class

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott Chatfield asked:
"What were classes X26A and X26B?"

Class X26A: Single boxcar rebuilt with steel sides and round roof.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x26a.gif&fr=cl

Class X26B: Not built. Further investigation needed.


"...did any unrebuilt X26s make it into the '60s in revenue service?"

13 cars remained on the roster at the merger; however, "rebuilt" is a relative term.


"Still haven't decided what to do with that Tichy USRA kit I bought years
ago....."

Depends on when you're modeling. I say "rebuilt" is a relative term because most (not all) of the cars received minor rebuilding c. 1935-1936 with improvements including Hutchins roofs and steel doors (many salvaged from auxiliary doors from Class X28 auto boxcars being rebuilt to Class X28A boxcars). These cars also received reinforcement castings at the junction of the trusses; some cars had these applied at all junctions of the truss, but as time went on, cars only received them as needed. (Funaro's 8200 series kits model these cars.) The Class X26C program was a major rebuilding; the cars received new steel roof and sides, retaining the ends (modified to fit the wider and taller carbody) and underframe. Cars retained Andrews trucks at first but these were replaced later during the lifetime of these cars. (Funaro 8010, 8011, 8020, and the earlier Sunshine kits model these cars. The Atlas "USRA rebuilt boxcar" does NOT.)

Getting to the point about the Tichy model...some Class X26 boxcars escaped the c. 1935-1936 minor rebuilding and continued in service through the 1940s. After that, it gets a bit murky - I've never seen evidence that any unmodified car made it any later than that. They were most likely rebuilt into Class X26C steel boxcars or retired and like not one of the 13 cars to make it to the merger.


Ben Hom


Re: Detail Associates?

Tim O'Connor
 


Mistaken on both counts, Dennis. Don't take my word for it -- crack open
an old Walthers catalog from the early 1990's. I actually HAVE DA brass
castings and etched parts and resin parts so I know what I'm talking about.

Tim O'Connor



I think Tim is confusing Details Associates with Details West
DA seemed to do everything in styrene except their formed wire products.
Dennis Storzek


longevity of Pennsy X26 class

D. Scott Chatfield
 

According to the caption on page 33 of Morning Sun's Pennsy Color Guide Volume 2 (I don't have V1), the Pennsy took 9900 USRA single-sheathed boxcars as their class X26. (Not news) Between 1945 and 1949 they rebuilt 3500 as class X26C. What were classes X26A and X26B? And several photos of unrebuilt X26s are on eBay taken in the '50s, so they were still in service until, say, 1955. Keeping in mind that by 1958 25% of the Pennsy's freight car fleet was bad ordered (per a 1958 issue of Trains), many never to run again, did any unrebuilt X26s make it into the '60s in revenue service?

Still haven't decided what to do with that Tichy USRA kit I bought years ago.....

Scott Chatfield


Re: L&N ARA SS Boxcar (12000-13499)(was Re: Prototype Railroad Profile series)

drgwrail
 

For some years I sold b&w prints of freight cars from my negative collection under the trade name of "Rail Data Services" .
After moving to Colorado 16 years ago I sold the entire negative collection. I not longer had dark room facilities and the whole business of supplying prints was a major pain  and was hardly a money making operation. But I hated to deprive other others of photos I had.  The fellow who bought tto an individual..who told me he intended to make prints of the negatives available to the public. I have seen many of my photographs in print credited to Bob's Photos.
So my conclusion is the the negative were either loaned to or purchased by Bob's Photos.

By way of inofrmation on the cars I can only say that most of the pictures were taken in Binghamton NY.

Chuck Yungkurth
Louisville CO



On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 1:13 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Steve I have four photos of these cars with the smaller reporting marks and car numbers the L&N began using circa 1950-51. Their reweigh dates are 4-52, 10-51, 5-51, and 8-53. None of these are dated in terms of when they were photographed. Bob's Photo has 12071 (5-51) but I am not sure it is in stock. #12808 (4-52) was acquired from Rail Data Service but I think Jay Williams is printing this collection now. #12091 (10-51) is from the late Bruce Meyer (and features a lad I believe to be a very young Bob Hundman in the photo providing a sense if scale). I don't know the status of that collection. I think I own the only hard copy of #12580 (8-53) as I purchased it from Ted Culotta.

What I am about to say could easily be interpreted as me being a "smart aleck" and I do not wish to come across that way so please don't take it that way. All of these photos are in the new Profile I am reviewing on the Resin Car Works Blog. I hope this helps you.

Bill Welch



Re: Detail Associates?

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Before posting that email, I tried finding it on the STMFC Yahoo site but couldn’t. And then I thought maybe it was Dave Hussey who posted it but I still couldn’t find it. Now I’m thinking it was a dream. <g> But I did find another email which had an email address for DA but Yahoo deleted the end of the address. But I did pass it along to Pierre so he could contact that the member who posted the email with the contact info for DA.



Jack



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:19 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Detail Associates?










---In STMFC@..., <jack@...> wrote :

I think that Dennis posted some information on them a month or two ago…
=============

I did? Must have been a different Dennis.

I think Tim is confusing Details Associates with Details West A lot of Details West track details are cast metal, which makes them hold up better to track cleaning solvents and the like. I can also recall way back in antiquity when they were doing Diesel loco fan details in white cast epoxy, but that was close to four decades ago.

DA seemed to do everything in styrene except their formed wire products.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Detail Associates?

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <jack@...> wrote :

I think that Dennis posted some information on them a month or two ago…
=============

I did? Must have been a different Dennis.

I think Tim is confusing Details Associates with Details West A lot of Details West track details are cast metal, which makes them hold up better to track cleaning solvents and the like. I can also recall way back in antiquity when they were doing Diesel loco fan details in white cast epoxy, but that was close to four decades ago.

DA seemed to do everything in styrene except their formed wire products.

Dennis Storzek


Re: L&N ARA SS Boxcar (12000-13499)(was Re: Prototype Railroad Profile series)

Bill Welch
 

Steve I have four photos of these cars with the smaller reporting marks and car numbers the L&N began using circa 1950-51. Their reweigh dates are 4-52, 10-51, 5-51, and 8-53. None of these are dated in terms of when they were photographed. Bob's Photo has 12071 (5-51) but I am not sure it is in stock. #12808 (4-52) was acquired from Rail Data Service but I think Jay Williams is printing this collection now. #12091 (10-51) is from the late Bruce Meyer (and features a lad I believe to be a very young Bob Hundman in the photo providing a sense if scale). I don't know the status of that collection. I think I own the only hard copy of #12580 (8-53) as I purchased it from Ted Culotta.

What I am about to say could easily be interpreted as me being a "smart aleck" and I do not wish to come across that way so please don't take it that way. All of these photos are in the new Profile I am reviewing on the Resin Car Works Blog. I hope this helps you.

Bill Welch


Re: Detail Associates?

Tim O'Connor
 

DA also sold some etched brass, wire, cast metal, and even cast resin.

Quite the eclectic product line. Whenever I've found hard to find items
(AB brake set, box car ladders) I stocked up. :-)

Tim

At 12/15/2015 11:49 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
If you are talking about DA/Detail Associates, their parts have always been injected styrene parts.

Jack Burgess


Re: Detail Associates?

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

I think that Dennis posted some information on them a month or two ago…



Jack



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Detail Associates?





I'm suspecting that my question is being misinterpreted.
I know I'm not alone in being unable to contact the owners.
I know there have been some health issues with some of the partners.
Does anyone know if they are still in business?



Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 15/12/2015 11:49 AM, 'Jack Burgess' jack@... [STMFC] wrote:



If you are talking about DA/Detail Associates, their parts have always been injected styrene parts.

Jack Burgess

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:35 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Detail Associates?

I was told by my area hobby shop that they are going to stop doing the lost wax castings(if that is the method they use). They supposedly are retooling to do their line in plastic. Alas, expect to pay more for less...

Allen

On Saturday, December 12, 2015 9:14 PM, "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]" <mailto:STMFC@...> <STMFC@...> wrote:

Anybody know what's happening at DA?
Roaring silence from emails I've sent.

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

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Re: Detail Associates?

Pierre Oliver
 

I'm suspecting that my question is being misinterpreted.
I know I'm not alone in being unable to contact the owners.
I know there have been some health issues with some of the partners.
Does anyone know if they are still in business?
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 15/12/2015 11:49 AM, 'Jack Burgess' jack@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

If you are talking about DA/Detail Associates, their parts have always been injected styrene parts.

Jack Burgess

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:35 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Detail Associates?

I was told by my area hobby shop that they are going to stop doing the lost wax castings(if that is the method they use). They supposedly are retooling to do their line in plastic. Alas, expect to pay more for less...

Allen

On Saturday, December 12, 2015 9:14 PM, "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]" wrote:

Anybody know what's happening at DA?
Roaring silence from emails I've sent.

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com





Re: Detail Associates?

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

If you are talking about DA/Detail Associates, their parts have always been injected styrene parts.



Jack Burgess



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:35 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Detail Associates?








I was told by my area hobby shop that they are going to stop doing the lost wax castings(if that is the method they use). They supposedly are retooling to do their line in plastic. Alas, expect to pay more for less...

Allen





On Saturday, December 12, 2015 9:14 PM, "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:





Anybody know what's happening at DA?
Roaring silence from emails I've sent.

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com












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L&N ARA SS Boxcar (12000-13499)(was Re: Prototype Railroad Profile series)

pennsylvania1954
 

My Jan 55 ORER shows 69 of these cars still in service. Can anyone point me toward a photo of one dated Oct 1953 or later?

Thanks!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Detail Associates?

Allen Montgomery <sandbear75@...>
 

I was told by my area hobby shop that they are going to stop doing the lost wax castings(if that is the method they use). They supposedly are retooling to do their line in plastic. Alas, expect to pay more for less...
Allen



On Saturday, December 12, 2015 9:14 PM, "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Anybody know what's happening at DA?
Roaring silence from emails I've sent.

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



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