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Re: Multi-dome tank car data

Joseph
 


Clark,
Am converting a couple of Kadee PS1 into CGW 93000s.  I have perused your posts on the Freight car list and M&StL list.  The last question ins the brake wheel.  Do you know what type?
Thx,
Joe Binish
 
Am attending the 27th modelers retreat as well.  I will talk to you there.
 

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To: STMFC
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Multi-dome tank car data

I have some weigh bills for 2 and 3 dome tank cars. I’ve copied them below. Hope the info isn’t too mucked up?
 
1/25/1954 SVX  200 TM 8,000 gal 2 dome tank, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service and Supplies,  Watertown, MN GN-MW,  comp A 2532 gal kerosene comp B 5560 gal distillate
3/26/1954 SVX  202 TM 8,00 gal tank 2 dome, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service and Supplies,  Watertown, MN GN-MW,  comp A 2516 kero, comp B 5581 dist 8097 gals
10/27/1954 SVX  258 TM 8,000 gal 2 dome tank, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service, Watertown, MN GN-MW,  comp A kero 2485 gal, comp B dist 5418 gal
4/28/1954 UTLX  725 TM 2 dome tank, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service and Supplies,  Watertown, MN NP-MW,  gas A 2838, B 5131 
3/10/1954 UTLX  2141 TM tank 3 dome, Standard Oil  Standard oil, Watertown, MN GN-MW,  gas comp A 2116, comp B 1973, comp C 2112, tal 6201 gals
5/17/1954 UTLX  2633 TM 3 dome tank, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service and Supples Watertown, MN NP-MW,  gas A 2194, B 2193, C 2190 tal 6577 gals 
3/26/1954 UTLX  2799 TM tank 3 dome, Std Oil  Std Oil, Watertown, MN GN-MW,  dist comp A 2187, B 2211, C 2192 tal 6590 gals 
3/22/1954 UTLX  2879 TM tank 3 dome, Std Oil  Standard Oil,  Watertown, MN GN-MW,  dist comp A 2195, comp B 2190, com C 2200 tal 6585 gals 
4/2/1954 UTLX  3078 TM tank 3 dome, Std Oil  Standard Oil,  Watertown, MN GN-MW,  comp A 2200, B 2188, C 2200 tal 6588 gals dist
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 
Re: [EXTERNAL] Safety Placards for Tangent acid tank car

davesnyder59
 

Thanks again Elden. I have ordered two just now from my LHS. The tack board additions are indeed a bonus and one of the reasons that I doubled the order.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.
2016 Savannah RPM update

seaboard_1966
 

Folks    

Please mark your calendars now, if you have not already, for the 2016 Savannah RPM to be held April 1-2 at the Port Wenthworth, GA Community Center.  The community center is located at 103 Turnberry St, Port Wentworth, GA.

Mr. Robert Harpe has reserved a block of rooms at the Holiday Inn Express located at 7210 Georgia Hwy. 30 in Port Wentworth, Ga. This hotel is located at the intersection of Hwy. 30 and I-95. These rooms are reserved for the dates of 03-31-16 to 04-02-16.

The room rates are:

King $104.00

2 Queen: $109.00

The hotel can be reached at (912) 964-8900.  Please use the room code SPM (Savannah Prototype Modelers) to receive these special room rates.

We hope to see you and some of your friends there.

The 2016 Savannah RPM Crew
Re: CB&Q 1952 boxcar paint and decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ben, I appreciate the info.  I ordered the XM-32 reprint from the Burlington Society.
Fenton

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

One more post to put these cars in context - the Q went big with the AAR steel boxcar, producing them in their Havelock shops between 1940 and 1958 (with a gap between mid-1942 and 1944). The Q assigned them Class XM-32 through XM-32F, and built 5,000 cars to the prewar design and ~11,000 cars to the postwar design. More information can be found at the following:

Prewar Design Summary:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/cbq31806main.html

Burlington Bulletin #7, 28-page article on Class XM-32 and subclasses, reprint available for $5 plus shipping from the Q society:
http://www.burlingtonroute.com/costore/bb.htm

Ben Hom




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Re: [EXTERNAL] Safety Placards for Tangent acid tank car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Dave;

That is the one I got! It also has really nice signs for tack boards, like "DO NOT HUMP" and the like.

Elden Gatwood

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To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Safety Placards for Tangent acid tank car



Hi Elden, decided I will need the set you are talking about. Would you know if that is the Microscale #87-975 set? It would seem to be by the description that Microscale provides, but wanted to make sure. TIA.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.
Re: The Stan Rydarowitz Collection

Barry Bennett
 

To add to Bill Dixon's comments, it is as bad to the UK. If you offer items for sale on eBay please do not use the Global Shipping Program because I and a growing number of other people will not bid or buy.

The program does not permit combined postage, so 2 or more items in one package has to pay full postage on each item. Books are tax free in the UK and Europe, we prefer to boost literacy and knowledge rather than the tax take, yet Global Shipping claims to pay tax. Also items of value of $22.00 or less are tax free anyway.

I bought 2 RPC's, paid $7 USPS internal mail to Pitney Bowes plus $33.78 in shipping charges/tax, and when the package arrived it has USPS postage of $3.72 attached. Had the Vendor posted direct to me it would have cost about $10.75 or thereabouts, rather less than the $40.78 I paid out.

Also, there is no invoicing or paperwork to show what tax was paid, if ANY tax was paid and, consequently, no way for me to query payment with, or reclaim from, UK Tax Authorities.

Apologies if this breaks site rules but it is info that I hope will benefit and inform site members.

Barry Bennett
Coventry, England.
Re: The Stan Rydarowitz Collection

JoelDee
 

Same situation for Europe. The ebay rates for postage are not great
considering they are a consolidator and do not use USPS
when shipping, yet they use USPS to set pricing and the delivery service
used just dumps the packet anywhere if you are not home and items become lost.
--I wonder if the seller eats this loss when this happens?
The serious ripoff has always been the Prepaid
Customs Charges. The Custom charges here in Germany
don't begin until after 40+ dollars (books much higher $ threshold) and this service charges
at a much lower threshold as I see on these items. EBAY charges tend to be higher
than is actually charged by the Customs House above this break point as well.
Add to this the prepay program will not consolidate postage and
fees, in most cases without seller intervention, for multiple purchases and we have a no go situation.
The major Ebay marketers do not use this ripoff service


On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:43 AM, "'W.R.Dixon' WRDixon@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
On 2016-02-14 12:12 PM, mikerepka@... [STMFC] wrote:
>
>
> To all my FB friends who knew Stan Rydarowicz. Beginning Sunday evening
> I will start listing some of Stan's material on EBay. I will try to do
> approximately 10 or more per week as my time permits. This is a labor of
> love for a good friend who is no longer with us. I am doing this with
> the permission of Diane Rydarowicz
> who is Stan's executor.
> My EBay user ID is Marksd45.
> I will also use the term
> "Rydarowicz train collection" in the description fields.
> Please feel free to share this on the various RR model and Historical
> Society pages.
> I have a 100% rating and I generally start the auctions on Sunday evenings.
> Stan has some exquisite models and this will be a fair way to ensure
> anyone has and equal shot at this material.
> There will also be some items that are not as unique sold at the
> Youngstown Model RR Flea Market at McMenamys Banquet Hall in Niles OH on
> April 10th
>
> Mark

Hello Mark

Some interesting stuff there.

I would love to participate but you are using the the Global Shipping
Program. That program adds high shipping charges and Bogus import fees
to things shipped to Canada.

For example the "Santa Fe 40' Steel Reefer SFRD 21376" for a current bid
of $21.12 wants $16.63 for International Priority Shipping and an
additional $ 7.75 for Import charges.

The shipping rate is not too bad but Trains are duty free so there are
No import Charges. Somebody, not you, is pocketing money for nothing.

Bill Dixon
Re: CB&Q 1952 boxcar paint and decals

Benjamin Hom
 

One more post to put these cars in context - the Q went big with the AAR steel boxcar, producing them in their Havelock shops between 1940 and 1958 (with a gap between mid-1942 and 1944). The Q assigned them Class XM-32 through XM-32F, and built 5,000 cars to the prewar design and ~11,000 cars to the postwar design. More information can be found at the following:


Prewar Design Summary:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/cbq31806main.html


Burlington Bulletin #7, 28-page article on Class XM-32 and subclasses, reprint available for $5 plus shipping from the Q society:
http://www.burlingtonroute.com/costore/bb.htm


Ben Hom
Re: Odd Carling Breweries LTD Tank Car

Steve Caple <stevecaple@...>
 

Renamed it Rocky Mountain, eh? That's be typical Coors. How about Fish Creek Falls (on the classic Coors can)? Do I need to make another trip to the Shenandoah to annoint the new source, just like a friend and I did above Fish Creek Falls? Remember Artie Choke' anthem, "where the vegetables are green, and you can pee right into the stream" - and only drink real beer, not "light" swill, reconstituted or not.
Digest Number 10065

Jedalberg
 

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Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2016 1:41 pm
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It is an American (built) M-4-one of the numerous variants-- here likely British or Australian. The boxes on the deck are a giveaway that it has just arrived. The on-vehicle equipment was shipped this way from the factory. In the old days this was referred to as "OVM" . This was changed to "OEM" (Equipment ) in the early 60's-as you all probably well know, there was a Bureau of Correct Terminology, that did an incredible amount of analysis on this stuff - they still exist, have Super-expanded, and now have a very large Acronym Development Dept.
Kind of like the hubcaps etc that were loaded in the trunk of autos moving in the early open auto racks . Actually (RR related) the auto companies shipped cars with hubcaps on,til the vehicles started arriving without their "OEM", but with other stuff inside, left by some of the itinerant riders-I'll let you all guess as to the substance of it-- end result has been the totally enclosed racks. This has strayed a bit from the Sherman tank--sorry
Jim Dalbeeg
On Feb 15, 2016, at 1:03 PM, STMFC@... wrote:








Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960. Group





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Re: Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's by "Ray Breyer" rtbsvrr69





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Re: Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's by "Eric Hansmann" wvrail







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Speedwitch Erie steel side rebuilds by "Eric Hansmann" wvrail







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Re: CB&Q 1952 boxcar paint and decals by "Rob Manley" robmanley3006







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Train Shed Cyclopedias on eBay by "Norm (Drez) Dresner" ndrez












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Re: Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's





Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:16 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Ray Breyer" rtbsvrr69




Google image search is your friend:http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4a1pcf/m4a1_pcf.html

Calcutta 1944. The skirts are a dead giveaway: this isn't even an American tank. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL

From: "Robert Bogie robertb@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's

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Bill,

There is also the question of whether the photo was taken in the USA or another country. There are three clues to suggest it's another country.

1. On the side of the freight car is the lettering:- Load 33 tons at centre or 40 tons.... Normally in North America, you spell this word it as center, whereas in Britain and other Commonwealth countries it is spelt the French way as centre.

2. The wheels have 4 holes in them. This very common in Britain and some Australian railways. Maybe other countries as well.

3. Under the rear wheels of the tank and partially shrouded by the end of the freight car is a buffer, as well as a screw link coupling touching the small mound of earth. As buffers and screw link couplers aren't used on American freight cars, that's evidence the photo was taken in another country outside North America and why you don't recognise the reporting marks.

It doesn't match any Australian freight cars I have info on, but a quick look through one of my books on British freight cars showed a photo of a very similar car and the caption indicated it was built for the British War Dept in WW2 for the transport of tanks. Judging from the appearance of the person on the left of the photo and the "pith helmet" on someone partially hidden by the front of the tank, the photo was most likely taken in a country with a hot climate (ie in North Africa) when the allies brought in equipment to operate the railways located there after retaking it from the "axis" forces.

Robert Bogie
Melbourne, Australia

On 15/02/2016 11:30 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

I am currently building some 1/35 scale Shermans and ran across this interesting photo of Arch Bar trucks in use in 1942 or after. I don't recognize the reporting marks. At first I thought it might be a flat owned by Baldwin but they did not build any M4A1 versions with the cast hull. Could wartime conditions have caused some owners to continue to use Arch Bars? The flats wheels are interesting too.
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Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:29 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Ray Breyer" rtbsvrr69




More information, and a better photo of the flat car, is here:http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4a4/m4a4_variants.html

Still not an "American" tank. Built by Chrysler for lend-lease to the British, who assigned them to an Indian tank battalion. Transferred to an American supply depot, which shipped the tanks to the Chinese. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 9:12 AM
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Google image search is your friend:http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4a1pcf/m4a1_pcf.html

Calcutta 1944. The skirts are a dead giveaway: this isn't even an American tank. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:55 AM
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Bill,

There is also the question of whether the photo was taken in the USA or another country. There are three clues to suggest it's another country.

1. On the side of the freight car is the lettering:- Load 33 tons at centre or 40 tons.... Normally in North America, you spell this word it as center, whereas in Britain and other Commonwealth countries it is spelt the French way as centre.

2. The wheels have 4 holes in them. This very common in Britain and some Australian railways. Maybe other countries as well.

3. Under the rear wheels of the tank and partially shrouded by the end of the freight car is a buffer, as well as a screw link coupling touching the small mound of earth. As buffers and screw link couplers aren't used on American freight cars, that's evidence the photo was taken in another country outside North America and why you don't recognise the reporting marks.

It doesn't match any Australian freight cars I have info on, but a quick look through one of my books on British freight cars showed a photo of a very similar car and the caption indicated it was built for the British War Dept in WW2 for the transport of tanks. Judging from the appearance of the person on the left of the photo and the "pith helmet" on someone partially hidden by the front of the tank, the photo was most likely taken in a country with a hot climate (ie in North Africa) when the allies brought in equipment to operate the railways located there after retaking it from the "axis" forces.

Robert Bogie
Melbourne, Australia

On 15/02/2016 11:30 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

I am currently building some 1/35 scale Shermans and ran across this interesting photo of Arch Bar trucks in use in 1942 or after. I don't recognize the reporting marks. At first I thought it might be a flat owned by Baldwin but they did not build any M4A1 versions with the cast hull. Could wartime conditions have caused some owners to continue to use Arch Bars? The flats wheels are interesting too.
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Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:44 am (PST) . Posted by:

soolinehistory







---In STMFC@..., <toddchorton@...> wrote :

There is a "Centre Alabama". 😃. Todd Horton

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It's always good to remember that proper names freeze archaic spellings in place for eternity. "Centre" was the common spelling of the word in the United States before Noah Webster published his first American dictionary in 1806, and listed it as "center".

The name of the Pittsburg & Shawmut Railroad (Pittsburg with no H) is another example.

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Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:57 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Garth Groff" ggg9y




Dennis,

There is also a Pittsburg, California, formerly served by the ATSF, SP
and Sacramento Northern.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

On 2/15/16 10:44 AM, destorzek@... [STMFC] wrote:




---In STMFC@..., <toddchorton@...> wrote :

There is a "Centre Alabama". 😃. Todd Horton

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It's always good to remember that proper names freeze archaic
spellings in place for eternity. "Centre" was the common spelling of
the word in the United States before Noah Webster published his first
American dictionary in 1806, and listed it as "center".

The name of the Pittsburg & Shawmut Railroad (Pittsburg with no H) is
another example.

Dennis Storzek









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Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:14 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Eric Hansmann" wvrail




---In STMFC@..., Dennis Storzek wrote :

It's always good to remember that proper names freeze archaic spellings in
place for eternity. "Centre" was the common spelling of the word in the
United States before Noah Webster published his first American dictionary in
1806, and listed it as "center".

The name of the Pittsburg & Shawmut Railroad (Pittsburg with no H) is
another example.

Dennis Storzek

Ahh, the mysteries of Pittsburgh and the spelling. It seems the Pennsylvania
city historically had the H at the end for all but 21 years. More details
here:

http://www.carnegielibrary.org/exhibit/hname.html

As for the railroad reference, Dennis is partly correct. The original line
was the Pittsburg, Shawmut & Northern, which had an original charter in
1899, smack in the middle of those 21 years when Pittsburgh, PA, lacked an
H.

http://www.psnrrhs.org/aboutpsn.html

The Pittsburg & Shawmut was an offshoot of the PS&N that came into existence
in 1910, a year before Pittsburgh, PA, regained the H.

http://shawmutline.com/

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Re: Odd Carling Breweries LTD Tank Car





Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:16 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom




Brad Smith wrote:
"Coors shipped beer in insulated tank cars, from Colorado to the
East coast, where it was bottled. The beer only dropped a couple of
degrees on the trip. I have pics of some of the tank cars. They had

no advertising on them."

Not during the period of this list! Coors wasn't distributed on the East coast until the 1980s. Remember the underlying premise of "Smokey and the Bandit".

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Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:29 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Brad Smith"




I just used it as an example.

Brad

Sent from Brad's iPod

On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Brad Smith wrote:
"Coors shipped beer in insulated tank cars, from Colorado to the
East coast, where it was bottled. The beer only dropped a couple of
degrees on the trip. I have pics of some of the tank cars. They had

no advertising on them."

Not during the period of this list! Coors wasn't distributed on the East coast until the 1980s. Remember the underlying premise of "Smokey and the Bandit".

Ben Hom








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Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:02 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Garth Groff" ggg9y




Brad,

Yes, the Coors plant is in the Shenandoah Valley at Elkton on the former
N&W, about 60 miles from where I live. Rail service there is/was
extensive, and they have their own locomotives, though the plant
post-dates our period. It is my understanding that the beer was shipped
as a concentrate, then diluted with pure Shenandoah Valley spring water
from local wells. I don't know if this was always the way it was done.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

On 2/15/16 10:12 AM, corlissbs@... [STMFC] wrote:

Carling had multiple breweries and probably tried shipping beer
between breweries. Coors shipped beer in insulated tank cars, from
Colorado to the East coast, where it was bottled. The beer only
dropped a couple of degrees on the trip. I have pics of some of the
tank cars. They had no advertising on them.
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Re: Odd Carling Breweries LTD Tank Car





Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:03 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Craig Zeni" sal3060





On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:12 AM, STMFC@... wrote:

1b. Re: Odd Carling Breweries LTD Tank Car
Posted by: corlissbs@...
Date: Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:12 am ((PST))

Carling had multiple breweries and probably tried shipping beer between
breweries. Coors shipped beer in insulated tank cars, from Colorado to the
East coast, where it was bottled. The beer only dropped a couple of degrees
on the trip. I have pics of some of the tank cars. They had no
advertising on them.
As an off topic modern aside, the Coors cars carried beer concentrate from Golden, CO to Elkton, VA where it was reconstituted in Coors Light. The Elkton facility is now brewing from scratch so the concentrate shipping has stopped. Now, as to how they got around the 'Rocky Mountain Spring Water' slogan...the local authorities renamed the 'mountain' behind the brewery from where the water was drawn to....Rocky Mountain. Or so I was told while in the plant a few years ago :) Perhaps apocryphal but a good tale.

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Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:55 am (PST) . Posted by:






I seem to remember a class action suit or something of the kind when they
put Brewed From Rocky Mountain Spring Water" on the cans from Va. Then
Coors put the "Born of Rocky Mountain Spring Water"on the cans as is still done
with Coors Light, which is brewed here in Milwaukee at Miller, with Lake
Michigan water.

Brewing at a concentrate is common. Miller does that when they brew Old
Milwaukee and then they cut it 50% with water.

Anyway, that Carling car is very interesting.

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Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:11 am (PST) . Posted by:

soolinehistory







---In STMFC@..., <corlissbs@...> wrote :

I seem to remember a class action suit or something of the kind when they put Brewed From Rocky Mountain Spring Water" on the cans from Va. Then Coors put the "Born of Rocky Mountain Spring Water"on the cans as is still done with Coors Light, which is brewed here in Milwaukee at Miller, with Lake Michigan water.

Brewing at a concentrate is common. Miller does that when they brew Old Milwaukee and then they cut it 50% with water.

Anyway, that Carling car is very interesting.

=============

i still remember my disappointment the first time I drove out west and was able to sample the "golden elixir" first hand. You know the Olympia Brewing Co. slogan, "It's the water?" In the case of Coors, I exclaimed, "It IS water!"


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Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:18 am (PST) . Posted by:

"David bott" lwulffe_doc




Only some early 20's passenger train books with less detail survived intact. But I had already scanned the rest in fairly high resolution, saved into PDFs, and shared them with several people, notably Al Brown. Al sent me back the PDFs (one per train recorded) as well as his Excel transcriptions. So the originals are gone, but the content is still available!

I have ten 16gb flash drives on which I'm copying all my shareable photos and data (some photos are copyrighted and not shareable). I'm just glad I backed up most stuff on CDs which were in another room and survived! I'm sending those drives to good friends and fellow Southern and A&Y researchers as my own personal cloud. I'd rather share this info and help it survive with people who know and care, then hoard it and have it lost to another event or if I die (my wife knows I have stuff, but not what it's worth or to whom it should go). I don't find the time to share via web as well as Tom Daspit.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott's iPad

On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Craig Zeni clzeni@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


On Feb 15, 2016, at 12:28 AM, STMFC@... wrote:

2.2. Re: NYC train consists
Posted by: "David Bott" dbott@... lwulffe_doc
Date: Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:01 am ((PST))

You've given me a model for sharing my Southern Railway 1934 train info! Right now it is still PDF scans and a growing Excel spreadsheet.

I can easily convert to html tables.
Dave, did your conductors' books survive your recent fire?

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Speedwitch Erie steel side rebuilds





Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:26 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Eric Hansmann" wvrail




Craig Zeni shares his work on an HO scale Speedwitch Media Erie
steel-sheathed box car rebuild on the Resin Car Works blog. Follow the link
for the details.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/speedwitch-erie-steel-sided-rebuilds/

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Re: CB&Q 1952 boxcar paint and decals





Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:56 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Rob Manley" robmanley3006




I recently used the 40ft express car decnals and the 3-bay hopper sets and can attest to their superior quality, accuracy and ease of use. I also received my order in time to finish the 6 cars before Trainfest.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"

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Sent: ‎2/‎14/‎2016 12:31 PM
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CB&Q 1952 boxcar paint and decals

Accurate CB&Q XM-32 decals in HO scale have been and are available from me. The decals are appropriate for any of the cars from this class built between 1940 and 1953. The decals are in the appropriate railroad roman white lettering and include the Everywhere West and Way of the Zephyrs script slogans as well as the boxed Burlington Route herald used on these boxcar red cars before 1958. I have other CB&Q decals available also. Anyone interested should contact me, off list, at hammersr@...

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Train Shed Cyclopedias on eBay





Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:03 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Norm (Drez) Dresner" ndrez




I'm liquidating my entire collection of Train Shed Cyclopedias on eBay in small, topical batches. Not all are up yet, so look
back in a few days to see what else has been offered. The seller-name is Norm-Drez

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Re: The Stan Rydarowitz Collection

W.R.Dixon
 

On 2016-02-14 12:12 PM, mikerepka@... [STMFC] wrote:


To all my FB friends who knew Stan Rydarowicz. Beginning Sunday evening
I will start listing some of Stan's material on EBay. I will try to do
approximately 10 or more per week as my time permits. This is a labor of
love for a good friend who is no longer with us. I am doing this with
the permission of Diane Rydarowicz
<https://www.facebook.com/diane.rydarowiczmorris> who is Stan's executor.
My EBay user ID is Marksd45.
I will also use the term
"Rydarowicz train collection" in the description fields.
Please feel free to share this on the various RR model and Historical
Society pages.
I have a 100% rating and I generally start the auctions on Sunday evenings.
Stan has some exquisite models and this will be a fair way to ensure
anyone has and equal shot at this material.
There will also be some items that are not as unique sold at the
Youngstown Model RR Flea Market at McMenamys Banquet Hall in Niles OH on
April 10th

Mark
Hello Mark

Some interesting stuff there.

I would love to participate but you are using the the Global Shipping Program. That program adds high shipping charges and Bogus import fees to things shipped to Canada.

For example the "Santa Fe 40' Steel Reefer SFRD 21376" for a current bid of $21.12 wants $16.63 for International Priority Shipping and an additional $ 7.75 for Import charges.

The shipping rate is not too bad but Trains are duty free so there are No import Charges. Somebody, not you, is pocketing money for nothing.

Bill Dixon
Re: Illinois Terminal 40' post-war enhanced kit box car

Bill Welch
 

When Andy Carlson slipped up (an easy mistake to make) and sent his message to Fenton via the group instead of offline in a PVT message, he also let it slip that he is expecting a shipment from InterMountain of some Undecorated Red Caboose X29 and 1923 ARA kits.

Just a reminder that Speedwitch has several products for these kits: PRR and B&O M26/A/B/C decals, B&O Duryea U/F and M26D/E decals and conversion kits w/decals to model MEC and LNE ARA types with new roofs, doors, etc.

For myself I made some modeling notes (w/help from my friend John King re: the B&O M26 class) for the details I want to pay attention to when building my models. My chief source are photos from my collection. It is still incomplete regarding which Tahoe trucks are appropriate for some of the versions but maybe it will help some of you with your own models. Note that it is specific to my modeling situation: October 1955.

X29, M-26 & 1924 ARA Plan Notes PDF.pdf

This is set of notes to supplement Ted Culotta's Clinic handout done several years ago and his modeling notes in "Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume One" to help me with some of the small details I want to include on my models. Please let me know if I have made any mistakes regarding the details.


Bill Welch
Re: Illinois Terminal 40' post-war enhanced kit box car

O Fenton Wells
 

My bad should have gone to Andy

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:15 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Will do check will go out tomorrow,  Thanks

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I have enough parts that I am able to box up one for you. I supply code 88 wheels, unless the code 110 are requested. I am totally out of the Wegmann detail sprue, so I am deducting $1 from the kit's price.

Send your 433 to me at:

Andy Carlson
111 S Encinal Ave
Ojai Ca 93023

I should be getting some Red Caboose/Intermountain X29 kits next week. I will have
1) X29 w/ '24 body/plain end
2) X29 w/ '28 body/Dreadnaught end
3) ARA steel body
4) X29 w/ early body, plain end and "patch panels".

Price as yet to be determined.
-Andy



From: "O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Illinois Terminal 40' post-war enhanced kit box car

 
Andy, any idea when this will be ready?  I'll send a check when you are ready let me know thprice less decals.
Fenton

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


Hello-
I have two enhanced kits available for a 7-47 built  ITC 6500-6849 series of post-war 40' 10'6" IH single 6' door AAR box car. A nice set of features are the "upside down door" and Dalman 2-levels on many of these box cars. This enhanced kit is also good for the 11-48 re-order series of ITC 6850-6999. Most of these cars rode on ASF A-3 ride control trucks, though there were many which had refurbished Dalman plain 2-level trucks. Picture of 1st batch ITC 6831 shows it with plain 2-level 50-ton trucks. I was told that the 1st 75 of the 2nd batch, series ITC 6850-6924 also had rehabed Dalmans.
NOTE:The gypsum running board will need to be supplied by the buyer. 

The closest kit for these cars is an Intermountain under #41899 "Modified AAR 40' Boxcar".

This enhanced kit includes:
1 IMRC #41899 undec kit
1 IMRC 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught end
1 set of IMRC 7-rung ladders
1 Red Caboose '37 AAR rectangular panel roof
1 pair of 6/6/5 "upside down" Improved Youngstown steel door by South West Productions
1 pair of Tahoe Model works Dalman 2-level trucks with IMRC semi-scale 33" metal wheels (I can substitute code 110 IMRC wheels upon request)
1 Wegmann Ajax brake set with running board end supports and power brake mounting bracket for ends
1 Wegmann/Details West AB brake set

If Interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@...>
Priced at $34/ea. shipping by 1st class air mail to the US included. If a buyer wants a pair of Kato A-3 trucks substituted, add $2 to the total. I accept checks and money orders. for a small fee I also accept PayPal. thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA








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Re: Illinois Terminal 40' post-war enhanced kit box car

O Fenton Wells
 

Will do check will go out tomorrow,  Thanks

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I have enough parts that I am able to box up one for you. I supply code 88 wheels, unless the code 110 are requested. I am totally out of the Wegmann detail sprue, so I am deducting $1 from the kit's price.

Send your 433 to me at:

Andy Carlson
111 S Encinal Ave
Ojai Ca 93023

I should be getting some Red Caboose/Intermountain X29 kits next week. I will have
1) X29 w/ '24 body/plain end
2) X29 w/ '28 body/Dreadnaught end
3) ARA steel body
4) X29 w/ early body, plain end and "patch panels".

Price as yet to be determined.
-Andy



From: "O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Illinois Terminal 40' post-war enhanced kit box car

 
Andy, any idea when this will be ready?  I'll send a check when you are ready let me know thprice less decals.
Fenton

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


Hello-
I have two enhanced kits available for a 7-47 built  ITC 6500-6849 series of post-war 40' 10'6" IH single 6' door AAR box car. A nice set of features are the "upside down door" and Dalman 2-levels on many of these box cars. This enhanced kit is also good for the 11-48 re-order series of ITC 6850-6999. Most of these cars rode on ASF A-3 ride control trucks, though there were many which had refurbished Dalman plain 2-level trucks. Picture of 1st batch ITC 6831 shows it with plain 2-level 50-ton trucks. I was told that the 1st 75 of the 2nd batch, series ITC 6850-6924 also had rehabed Dalmans.
NOTE:The gypsum running board will need to be supplied by the buyer. 

The closest kit for these cars is an Intermountain under #41899 "Modified AAR 40' Boxcar".

This enhanced kit includes:
1 IMRC #41899 undec kit
1 IMRC 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught end
1 set of IMRC 7-rung ladders
1 Red Caboose '37 AAR rectangular panel roof
1 pair of 6/6/5 "upside down" Improved Youngstown steel door by South West Productions
1 pair of Tahoe Model works Dalman 2-level trucks with IMRC semi-scale 33" metal wheels (I can substitute code 110 IMRC wheels upon request)
1 Wegmann Ajax brake set with running board end supports and power brake mounting bracket for ends
1 Wegmann/Details West AB brake set

If Interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@...>
Priced at $34/ea. shipping by 1st class air mail to the US included. If a buyer wants a pair of Kato A-3 trucks substituted, add $2 to the total. I accept checks and money orders. for a small fee I also accept PayPal. thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA








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5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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5 Newberry Lane
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Re: Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

But changing the name of the city back didn't automatically change the name of the railroad, which continued to use the "H-less" spelling for a few more decades. Which still makes my point; being included in a proper name preserves archaic spellings.


     Yes, I understand your point and didn't meant to signal disagreement. I was just explaining why the "h" was missing for a time from "Pittsburgh."

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

and Dennis Storzek added: 

The name of the Pittsburg & Shawmut Railroad (Pittsburg with no H) is another example.

      Both names stem from the brief period (ten years or so) during which the name of Pittsburgh, PA was spelled "Pittsburg" also (early in the 20th century). Around 1910, IIRC, the "h" was restored to the name of the city.
=============

But changing the name of the city back didn't automatically change the name of the railroad, which continued to use the "H-less" spelling for a few more decades. Which still makes my point; being included in a proper name preserves archaic spellings.

Dennis Storzek
spelling of PIttsburg(h) was Re: Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's

SUVCWORR@...
 

Since its founding in 1759 Pittsburgh, PA has been spelled with an "h" except for 11 years from 1890 - 1911.  In 1890 the United States Board of Geographic Names ruled that the "h" was to be dropped by all locations ending in burgh or bourgh.  The residents of Pittsburgh vehemently objected.  The Board finally relented and restored the h to Pittsburgh, PA in 1911.   It is the only location in the United States that is officially spelled using the ending "h".

Rich Orr



Garth Groff  wrote:

 
There is also a Pittsburg, California, formerly served by the ATSF, SP and Sacramento Northern.

and Dennis Storzek added: 

The name of the Pittsburg & Shawmut Railroad (Pittsburg with no H) is another example.
Re: Odd Carling Breweries LTD Tank Car

SUVCWORR@...
 

Coors was not available on the East Coast until the 80's so beyond the time frame of this list.   It gained recognition in the East when it became known that is was Henry Kissenger's beer of choice.  Prior to that it was  Western regional beer and much of it was 3.2 beer not full strength.

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: corlissbs@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2016 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Odd Carling Breweries LTD Tank Car



Carling had multiple breweries and probably tried shipping beer between breweries.  Coors shipped beer in insulated tank cars, from Colorado to the East coast, where it was bottled.  The beer only dropped a couple of degrees on the trip.  I have pics of some of the tank cars.  They had no advertising on them.
 
Brad Smith

Re: Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's

Richard Edmonds <r.edmonds1@...>
 

Interesting Bruce I think you are correct, the car looks like a 50 ton warwell A wagon to me built by Gloucester  carriage and wagon specifiacly for shipping Sherman tanks around prior to the D day landings. Well wagons were not normal on British Railways but the need for clearance under low bridges made the use necessary. I am no expert  but I believe this is close. More interesting to me is the truck which does look American and given the War department specification I would not be surprised if was actually supplied from the States

 

Regards to all

Richard

London UK

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: 15 February 2016 12:38
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's

 

 

​Bill,

 

The photo was not taken in the US ;)   Notice as well, that the flat is a depressed center flat.  Speculations as to location might include England given the english stencil on the flat, but also might be a delivery port such as one in France or Belgium with a flat stenciled so that the allies could use it (either brought from England as well, or restenciled indigenous rolling stock.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 6:30 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Arch Bar Trucks in the 1940's

 

 

I am currently building some 1/35 scale Shermans and ran across this interesting photo of Arch Bar trucks in use in 1942 or after. I don't recognize the reporting marks. At first I thought it might be a flat owned by Baldwin but they did not build any M4A1 versions with the cast hull. Could wartime conditions have caused some owners to continue to use Arch Bars? The flats wheels are interesting too.

 

Bill Welch

http://www.theshermantank.com/wp-content/uploads/3061430.jpg

 

 
I did it again---Sorry

Andy Carlson
 

My last post was meant to be a PM to Fenton. I neglected to confirm that I was replying to him, not the STMFC group. Please accept my apology, once again.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
58041 - 58060 of 198533