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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon
Daniel Kohlberg
I prefer to save the phrase "stand in at best" for some other project. I built my GM&O cars from my stash of P2K kits in 2005 or so. Maybe I am missing something, but... -The P2K gon allows me to get the right length in 2 major cuts. The Athearn Gon requires 6 major cuts. (4 to shorten body, 2 to remove ends) -The P2K Gon gives me the right ends. The Athearn route requires scratch built or custom cast ends. -The P2K Gon give me the right underframe, trimmed similar to the body, complete with brake gear. The Athearn Gon has an incorrect drop centersill with no brake gear. -The P2K Gon has correct stirrups, grabs etc. out of the box, It also gives me interior and floor detail. -The P2K Gon is a finer level of tooling, and just as cheap. Who didn't buy stacks of P2K kits back in the day for $5? -And even more importantly for me: my P2k cars were a 2-day project. I understand the merits of a Shake and Take project, and that things are donated for some group fun and group execution of the same model. But I really don't care about that. The Athearn Gon just seems like the long way to go, even if it is "free." Yes, I do get a slightly cheated floor height with the P2K Gon. Yes, the 4 middle ribs on the side drop are a hair short on a P2K kitbash. This can be fixed with some styrene modeling. Perhaps some of us consider that easier than scratch building ends and dealing with the shortcomings of a 50 year old Athearn kludge. Have a great weekend everyone! Dan Kohlberg
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this appears to be Andy Carlson's work bench
gary laakso
While it may appear to be on the CNW, all those freight car truck parts
have to be his:
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
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Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery 5/12/1936
Definitely like to see the model photos Jim On Friday, February 19, 2016 5:18 AM, "'Earl Tuson' etuson@... [STMFC]" wrote: > Catching up on historical society pubs and came across John Signor's "Santa Fe and the Stars" in the 3rd Quarter 2015
issue of the SFRH&MS Warbonnet documenting the delivery of a 200" mirror blank from Pyrex via Santa Fe Extra 3157 on May 12, 1936. There is an HO model display of these cars with their load located at the observatory museum. I didn't have my FC resources with me at the time to check every tiny detail, but the models were clearly built by a prototype modeler. I may be able to dig up photos of the models that we took if anyone cares to see them. Earl Tuson
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Re: Corection: Enhanced kit for M&StL post-war 10'0" box car
Clark Propst
Mike Schleigh
wrote: “I found on the back cover of the July
1952 issue a full-page ad from the M&StL announcing the purchase of 700 new
"GREEN and GOLD BOX CARS on the M. & St. L. Green Cars with Gold
Markings!"
Depends on your definition of gold...
Clark
Propst
Mason City Iowa
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Re: Blog
Ted Culotta
Google replied yesterday that all was good and it was a software error that flagged the blog. No harm done...
Cheers, Ted Culotta
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Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery 5/12/1936
Earl Tuson
Catching up on historical society pubs and came across John Signor's "Santa Fe and the Stars" in the 3rd Quarter 2015issue of the SFRH&MS Warbonnet documenting the delivery of a 200" mirror blank from Pyrex via Santa Fe Extra 3157 on May 12, 1936. There is an HO model display of these cars with their load located at the observatory museum. I didn't have my FC resources with me at the time to check every tiny detail, but the models were clearly built by a prototype modeler. I may be able to dig up photos of the models that we took if anyone cares to see them. Earl Tuson
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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon
Al, bill and Greg Thanks for the direction. I downloaded the 2010 S&T PDF I'll give it a read this weekend. I knew it could not be as easy as a few quick cuts🙁 Mark P Stamm Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com
On Feb 18, 2016, at 9:22 PM, tgregmrtn@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Blog
Tony Thompson
Ted Culotta wrote:
Seems okay at the moment. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Blog
Ted
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I just went there -- no problems at all. Tim
To avoid any wasted bandwidth, long threads and discussions, rumors, innuendo, etc., I am aware that my blog, prototopics.blogspot.com, that often covers topics related to Steam Era Freight Cars, has been removed, deleted or whatever it is called, by the good folks at Google. They suspected that it was some sort of phishing operation (if only it was that easy to make money in a model railroad related field.) I have begun their appeal process and I am sure that in about 365 days they will find in their favor (I am hopeful that is in alignment with reinstating the blog.) I'll let you all know what happens. Back to regular programming. I'll try to finis the F29 flat car by the time they reinstate the blog.
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Re: Corection: Enhanced kit for M&StL post-war 10'0" box car
Clark Propst wrote an article on modeling the Green M&StL boxcars in the Feb 2008 RMC, p 77. In the article he shows how he modified InterMountain Youngstown doors from a 5/6/6 to a 4/6/6 configuration.
Doug Harding
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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon
Greg Martin
Correct he did and then John Greedy pointed out why it doesn't really work
and Mont was in Oh Well mode. 3^(
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through
it. Norman Maclean In a message dated 2/18/2016 6:22:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
STMFC@... writes:
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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon
Greg Martin
Mark,
This will result in a stand in at best. There is no simple way to do this
except for a bash with the Athearn car.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through
it. Norman Maclean In a message dated 2/18/2016 3:37:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
STMFC@... writes:
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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon
Bill Welch
Mont Switzer did this kitbash instead of using the Athearn gon for the Cocoa beach "Shake & Take" DT&I gon project. Suggest you join the S&T group and explore the resources there.
Bill Welch
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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon
al_brown03
The DT&I gondola, some later sold to the GM&O, is the prototype for the 2010 Cocoa Beach Shake & Take project. A handout with photos is in the files of the Shake_N_Take group, and some members of that group may have decals. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon
I was just looking at three unbuilt Proto2000 52' gons the other day thinking I don't need three, but the link provided for the GM&O decals http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg77.htm give me another idea. A simple kitbash by cutting the three middle sections of the Proto2000 52' gon as described at the link above gives me a 41' DT&I Gon that works in my 1949 modeling year. Now does anyone know where I can get decals and a photo of said gon? Thanks Mark Mark P Stamm Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com
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Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars
al_brown03
Mm ... the RP CYC 4 article covers only the phosphate hoppers built after 1935, i.e. not the "Ambroid" cars. AL B.
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Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars
Scott H. Haycock
The Phosphate Covered Hoppers were covered in RPC #4, unfortunately, out of print. Scott Haycock Just a P.S. to my post. I do remember hearing that there was a RPC article on phosphate cars and the ACL/SBD mag may have had an article way back when. So far, I have had no luck acquiring either of them. I would really like to find something online that I can download.
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Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars
al_brown03
There's a Larry Goolsby article in Lines South, 3rd/1994 pp 4-11, on ACL and SAL freight cars from the Standard Steel Car Company. He identifies the Ambroid model as ACL 8075-8174, class U-4 (SSC, 1920), and shows a builder's photo of ACL 8174. This photo also appears in the 1922 Car Builder's Cyc, p 174, and Train Shed Cyc 62, p 220. Mr Goolsby has another article in Lines South, 1st/2002 pp 4-13, on ACL phosphate hoppers in general; the U-4 class is listed but not shown. Hth, Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery 5/12/1936
The first blank was flawed and rejected. It’s on display at the
Corning Museum. – Al Westerfield
From: mailto:STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:23 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery
5/12/1936 The mirror blank was made by Corning Incorporated (probably still the Corning
Glass Works at that time) in Corning NY or Canton NY, hence the NYC freight
cars.
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Re: Corection: Enhanced kit for M&StL post-war 10'0" box car
Schleigh Mike
Thumbing through some old TRAINS Andy---- I found on the back cover of the July 1952 issue a full-page ad from the M&StL announcing the purchase of 700 new "GREEN and GOLD BOX CARS on the M. & St. L. Green Cars with Gold Markings!" The ad went on to point out that practically all the 750,000 box cars on the American railroads were (box car) Red. They were using something new to tell the world about "Fast M. & St. L. Freight Service in the Great Midwest." Nice side view of M&St L 4382. Cars were 4000-4398, even numbers. Thanks again for making up this kit----Mike Schleigh On Monday, February 1, 2016 10:13 AM, "Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]" wrote: I responded to quickly to Clark's query. I don't have enough for 6 more M&StL kits, as I am out of the South West Production doors for this project. I will post to the list when I get replacements. -Andy Carlson Ojai CAAndy, If you let the customer buy decals from Mark Vaughan can you supply
more part kits?
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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