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Re: Tichy Tank Car with AB Brakes

Tim O'Connor
 


Good find Brian!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371449144890

Tim O'


Actually, there really were tank cars built to USRA drawings, at least the underframes.  Standard Steel Car Co. built a series of 8K gallon tank cars for the Gulf Refining Co. circa 1923.  Ted Culotta recently sold a builders' photo of GRCX 3200 on Ebay which I won.  Without a doubt, the car sits on a USRA designed underframe.

As for AB brake installation, see photo of GRCX 3293 on page 98 in Ted's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Vol. Two: Tank Cars.

This same photo can still be seen on Ebay in the completed listings.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

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Armand Premo
 

This is to verify my email address.Armand Premo armprem@yahoogroups
Re: All time Sunshine list

Mike Fortney
 

Sunshine Models HO scale resin freight car kits

Mike Fortney

 
Re: Hercules Tank Car Color?

Brad Smith
 

That was the color scheme. Those were tank cars not chemical tank cars with platforms. 

Brad Smith 

Sent from Brad's iPod

On Nov 12, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Barry Roth barry_roth@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I remember that when I was about eight years old, the StromBecker wood model of a Hercules Powder Co. tank car came with a red glossy paper tank wrapper, lettering in white as I recall.  (That's good enough for me.)

Barry Roth
All time Sunshine list

Dan Elwood <dpelwood@...>
 

Might someone remind me where the all time list of Sunshine models kits is located please?
Appreciate the help
Dan Elwood
Re: Tichy Tank Car with AB Brakes

brianleppert@att.net
 

Sorry Bill, what you made was a Pressed Steel Car Company built tank car.  Standard Steel Car Company made the USRA 8000 gallon copies.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
Re: Hercules Tank Car Color?

Barry Roth
 

I remember that when I was about eight years old, the StromBecker wood model of a Hercules Powder Co. tank car came with a red glossy paper tank wrapper, lettering in white as I recall.  (That's good enough for me.)

Barry Roth
Re: Tichy Tank Car with AB Brakes

Bill Welch
 

Brian is correct and Ted and I spliced two of the Tichy u/f together to create a Standard Steel Car Co. tank car kit for NATX and Staley using the IM 8K tank.

Bill Welch
Re: Tank Car Models - Accuracy to Prototype

Cyril Durrenberger
 

And I would add that would be likely true for the SP lines from the time period from the 1950's back to about 1900. Example: the H&TC had some tank cars that were used for hauling cottonseed oil.

Cyril Durrenberger
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On Thu, 11/12/15, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank Car Models - Accuracy to Prototype
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2015, 1:32 PM


 









Jim Betz wrote:















 



One of the most
common 'prototype accuracy errors' that I

encounter with tank cars is guys who "treat all tank
cars as

equals".

It really grates on me to see a tank car that is clearly
something

like a corn syrup service car ===> spotted at an oil
dealer. Similarly

if a gas/diesel car is seen being used for an "oil
field service". Or if

a "company service tank car" is seen being spotted
at an industry

(yes, I know that some of the RRs had tank cars that were
used in

revenue service - but those are the exception and
"atypical" and

usually if a tank car is wearing RR reporting marks it was
used for

company service rather than 'revenue service').

        Jim, for many roads' tank
cars, you would be right in this, but not SP; only about a
third of their rather large fleet was used in company fuel
service in the 1950s.

Tony Thompson          
  Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA
94705         www.signaturepress.com(510) 540-6538; fax, (510)
540-1937; e-mail, tony@... of books on railroad
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Re: Tank Car Models - Accuracy to Prototype

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jim,

Most of the WP's modest steam-era tank car fleet was carried on the roster as revenue equipment until past the era of this group. Most were in company oil service, but as there were no refineries on the WP that I know of, they were apparently sent off-line for loading.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 11/12/15 2:30 PM, jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Hi,

I know that the hard core members of this group won't agree with me
on this - but my approach to tank cars has always been to "accept
that the models are rarely perfect". I consider the dome (both style
and size) and the appliances (filling and emptying devices, and railings
and grabs) ... and the paint and lettering to be far and away the most
important 'spotting details'.
If a model exists that is very close to the prototype - of course I will
use that one. But often that doesn't exist and so I will compromise
to using what is close (or closest if there is more than one model
available).

One of the most common 'prototype accuracy errors' that I
encounter with tank cars is guys who "treat all tank cars as
equals".
It really grates on me to see a tank car that is clearly something
like a corn syrup service car ===> spotted at an oil dealer. Similarly
if a gas/diesel car is seen being used for an "oil field service". Or if
a "company service tank car" is seen being spotted at an industry
(yes, I know that some of the RRs had tank cars that were used in
revenue service - but those are the exception and "atypical" and
usually if a tank car is wearing RR reporting marks it was used for
company service rather than 'revenue service').
Another very common error is the use of the wrong era/wrong
commodity placards/hazmat identifiers. It is quite common to
see someone go to the trouble to add modern hazmat placards
to steam era tank cars! (Ewwwww. *G*)
- Jim
Re: Tank Car Models - Accuracy to Prototype

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Betz wrote:

 

One of the most common 'prototype accuracy errors' that I
encounter with tank cars is guys who "treat all tank cars as
equals".
It really grates on me to see a tank car that is clearly something
like a corn syrup service car ===> spotted at an oil dealer. Similarly
if a gas/diesel car is seen being used for an "oil field service". Or if
a "company service tank car" is seen being spotted at an industry
(yes, I know that some of the RRs had tank cars that were used in
revenue service - but those are the exception and "atypical" and
usually if a tank car is wearing RR reporting marks it was used for
company service rather than 'revenue service').


        Jim, for many roads' tank cars, you would be right in this, but not SP; only about a third of their rather large fleet was used in company fuel service in the 1950s.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Tank Car Models - Accuracy to Prototype

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

I know that the hard core members of this group won't agree with me
on this - but my approach to tank cars has always been to "accept
that the models are rarely perfect". I consider the dome (both style
and size) and the appliances (filling and emptying devices, and railings
and grabs) ... and the paint and lettering to be far and away the most
important 'spotting details'.
If a model exists that is very close to the prototype - of course I will
use that one. But often that doesn't exist and so I will compromise
to using what is close (or closest if there is more than one model
available).

One of the most common 'prototype accuracy errors' that I
encounter with tank cars is guys who "treat all tank cars as
equals".
It really grates on me to see a tank car that is clearly something
like a corn syrup service car ===> spotted at an oil dealer. Similarly
if a gas/diesel car is seen being used for an "oil field service". Or if
a "company service tank car" is seen being spotted at an industry
(yes, I know that some of the RRs had tank cars that were used in
revenue service - but those are the exception and "atypical" and
usually if a tank car is wearing RR reporting marks it was used for
company service rather than 'revenue service').
Another very common error is the use of the wrong era/wrong
commodity placards/hazmat identifiers. It is quite common to
see someone go to the trouble to add modern hazmat placards
to steam era tank cars! (Ewwwww. *G*)
- Jim
Re: Hercules Tank Car Color?

Douglas Harding
 

I have a color photo of a Hercules Tank Car, UTLX 65138, taken in 1974 that clearly shows the upper part of the car is a very light grey. Think CBQ Greyback light grey. This car has a black stripe around the middle the car, including the dome area. Lettering and logo is Red with the word Hercules in black. I can’t cite or link the source. It is an overhead shot in a yard.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
Re: Tichy Tank Car with AB Brakes

brianleppert@att.net
 

Actually, there really were tank cars built to USRA drawings, at least the underframes.  Standard Steel Car Co. built a series of 8K gallon tank cars for the Gulf Refining Co. circa 1923.  Ted Culotta recently sold a builders' photo of GRCX 3200 on Ebay which I won.  Without a doubt, the car sits on a USRA designed underframe.

As for AB brake installation, see photo of GRCX 3293 on page 98 in Ted's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Vol. Two: Tank Cars.

This same photo can still be seen on Ebay in the completed listings.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
Re: Nitric Acid Tank Cars

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Clicking that link does not take you to Ebay.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...> on behalf of STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 11:58 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Nitric Acid Tank Cars







Found on eBay,


A photo of the prototype for the Red Ball Monsanto acid tank car.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Monsanto-MCHX-110-AC-F-tank-car-3-5x5-builders-photo/371482750036?

Mike Bauers

---In STMFC@..., <richtownsend@...> wrote :

Kaminski's ACF book has a 1940 Monsanto tank car similar to the Army one and he again says the casing is designed to prevent the trapping of acid vapors.

Don't forget Ambroid's Riverside Oil car, which had a similar casing, but it was corrugated.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend


In the 1940 CBC, reprinted in Train Shed #12, ACF explains with respect to its new nitric acid tank car design,

"The tank is shrouded with an open hearth steel casing, inverted "U" shaped, open at the bottom. The casing is spaced 2 in. from the tank by aluminum brackets. Vents in the dome casing prevent the trapping of acid fumes in the space between tank and casing."

They say the tank is aluminum alloy (hence the AL in ICC-103-C-AL) with triple aluminum riveted seams. The dome is of "special design"

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
Re: Nitric Acid Tank Cars

mwbauers
 

I get a wrong link on the copy of the post Yahoo sent to me.

This seems to fix that…


Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Nov 12, 2015, at 11:58 AM, mwbauers55@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Found on eBay,


A photo of the prototype for the Red Ball Monsanto acid tank car.


Mike Bauers

---In STMFC@...,
Kaminski's ACF book has a 1940 Monsanto tank car similar to the Army one and he again says the casing is designed to prevent the trapping of acid vapors. 
 
Don't forget Ambroid's Riverside Oil car, which had a similar casing, but it was corrugated.
Re: Nitric Acid Tank Cars

mwbauers
 

Found on eBay,

A photo of the prototype for the Red Ball Monsanto acid tank car.


Mike Bauers

---In STMFC@..., <richtownsend@...> wrote :

Kaminski's ACF book has a 1940 Monsanto tank car similar to the Army one and he again says the casing is designed to prevent the trapping of acid vapors.
 
Don't forget Ambroid's Riverside Oil car, which had a similar casing, but it was corrugated.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend 

 
In the 1940 CBC, reprinted in Train Shed #12, ACF explains with respect to its new nitric acid tank car design,
 
"The  tank is shrouded with an open hearth steel casing, inverted "U" shaped, open at the bottom. The casing is spaced 2 in. from the tank by aluminum brackets. Vents in the dome casing prevent the trapping of acid fumes in the space between tank and casing."
 
They say the tank is aluminum alloy (hence the AL in ICC-103-C-AL) with triple aluminum riveted seams. The dome is of "special design" 
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR 

 
Re: Tichy Tank Car with AB Brakes

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I'm building up the Tichy tank car this week and would prefer
to model a car with AB brakes. Does anyone have a photo of a
USRA tank or a very similar car you could send so I can get the
reservoir and valve placement correct?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-Slide-WC-Wisconsin-Central-10K-Water-Tankcar-918049-in-1991-Ex-MILW-RD-/381425640539?hash=item58cebd645b

That's about as close as I can get for you. We talked about this car a couple weeks ago.

Scott Chatfield
Re: Tichy Tank Car with AB Brakes

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 11/12/2015 9:30 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
"Then does the Gould small dome (or large) "USRA" tank car I found in a old box of cars from the 1980's have a prototype?"

    Ben answered your question but to me it's really a shame.  It's a really thought out kit and stands up today in terms of quality.  It's just not a car that was ever make.  I built one and painted it, etc.  I would suggest you use it to practice with.  Don't show it to anyone (grin)!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: Hercules Tank Car Color?

mwbauers
 

Gentlemen, 

Can we be certain the B/W image shows gray as the top color???

See page 14 of……

http://www.raggedsoldier.com/photo_article.pdf

Attached from above if allowed….

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Nov 12, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:



Jeff Maurer wrote:
"Thanks to both of you for your responses. Since this one doesn't look to be red (I've heard that there were red ones, just never saw a picture and knew that this one couldn't be red) it must be grey."
 
Be very careful when trying to determine color based on a builder's photo.  During the age of black and white photography, cars for builder's photos were often painted in gray to highlight details that would be otherwise be lost if the car was painted in a darker in-service color.  These cars would then be repainted before going into service.
 
Trust but verify.  If I were you, I'd keep looking.
 
 
Ben Hom     
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