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Re: Kits for sale

benjamin
 

I would like a copy of your list.
Thank you Ben Heinley  bheinley@...

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I have a number of kits for sale, mostly Westerfield and F&C.  If you are interested e-mail me for a list.


Jared Harper

Athens, GA



Re: C&O 1932 ARA boxcar

pennsylvania1954
 

Currently on eBay Ted C. is offering four photos of C&O 7299, 1932 ARA. Photos show both sides and both ends.

FOUR Chesapeake & Ohio C&O 7299 1932 ARA box car 8x10 builder's photos

  Steve Hoxie

Pensacola FL


Re: ODD STRUCTURE ON FLAT CAR

Bruce Smith
 

John,

With no markings on the car to delineate its use, I wondered if it were a feasibility test or “builder’s photo taken prior to stenciling for its purpose.  Certainly, I would expect some additional lettering on the structures on the car as well…


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Aug 12, 2015, at 1:08 PM, 'John C. La Rue, Jr.' MOFWCABOOSE@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



I am inclined to agree that it most nearly resembles a foamite car for fire fighting. There is, however, the lack of the X-  prefix which was customary on NYC nonrevenue equipment. One possible explanation for this is that it was a temporary lash-up, not meant to be permanent, and so the Central did not bother to renumber it.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ODD STRUCTURE ON FLAT CAR

Brian, 

I agree with you that this is not a “transfer caboose”.  When viewing the image, I was reminded of the PRR’s Foamite fire fighting cars.  These cars were cobbled together out of general service flat cars, with tender cisterns for water and a “house” for the foamite powder, mixing tanks and pumps.  These cars were created in response to several derailments of tank cars in the “pipeline on wheels” efforts of WWII and were designed to fight oil fires in particular.  For a PRR car, see:

So, wild speculation, but it looks like it might be a foamite car :)  I think that the ends do look like 2 tender cisterns.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Aug 12, 2015, at 6:36 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC] < STMFC@...> wrote:

Any ideas? 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121728560690 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-York-Central-NYC-499354-War-Emergency-flat-car- 
with-some-structure-5x7-photo-/121728560690?hash=item1c57966e32> 


Thanks! 
-- 

Brian Ehni




ADMIN: RPM Meets and the STMFC

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

I admit that I wear two hats...STMFC and Prototype Rails Bossmen...so I have to be careful to avoid conflict between the interests of the two. However, as a prototype modeler I support all RPM meets in general and information about RPM meets will continue to be within scope of the STMFC.

However, lets keep comments regarding RPM meets to matters concerning the meets [ positives and negatives as far as attendee experiences are concerned...else how can we improve? ] and avoid personal criticisms which provide nothing to the overall health of RPM Meets. We should also recognize that different meets are constricted by the various meet's resources and infrastructures [ hotels, meeting space etc.]. At the same time, it is very useful to know how people react to the various aspects of the meets and, I would also think that variety is not necessarily bad.

Thanks,
Mike Brock
STMFC and Prototype Rails Bossmen


Re: I don't really think of the B&A as serving areas rich in mineral resources

Mark Hemphill
 

Water-borne coal unloaded on Boston docks and hauled inland would be a big reason for B&A having hoppers. My Coal Age traffic maps from the 1940s of coal movements out of Appalachia show most of it heading straight to tidewater or lakes, then into a barge or ship for coastwise movement up and down the Atlantic seaboard.  Similarly, anthracite coal was a major component of the coal market in Wisconsin, upper Michigan, upstate Minnesota and eastern North Dakota, moving backhaul in ore boats on the Great Lakes. Even today, coal wants to get into a barge or boat or ship as soon as possible; the railroads I've worked for shipped considerable western coal to places like Cahokia Marine in East St. Louis, to travel in some cases as few as 50 miles on a barge to a power plant.  And yes, get a better rate doing that too.

Other reasons for B&A hoppers: limestone, trap rock, aggregates, sand.  I'm thinking that if you pulled up the ICC annual report for the B&A in any STMFC year, there would be a substantial tonnage in aggregates as well as coal. 

Mark Hemphill


Re: I don't really think of the B&A as serving areas rich in mineral resources

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
Please consider for a moment the nice shot of a B&A hopper at the link below:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121728597734

I have always wondered about these B&A hoppers. I don't really think of the B&A as serving areas rich in mineral resources - so what was the original intent when the B&A acquired these hoppers?"
B&A 25144 from B&A 25000-25499, Lot 597-H built in 1929 by SSC, 500 cars.
 
Instead of large-scale rail movements, coal shipped to New England tended to travel by water, then carried by rail from the ports inland.  B&M, NH, and B&A maintained small fleets of coal hopper to cover this traffic.  The late Tim Gilbert had posts on the list years ago describing this traffic.
 
These B&A cars are examples of a unique NYCS prototype - it's essentially an offset analogue to the 39 ft IL USRA triple, though built in far smaller numbers (2500 offset vs. 13,800 USRA triple hoppers).  Still trying to figure out how to model this car - the variety of short taper offset triple/quad hopper models in HO scale isn't much, and those available offer significant obstacles (Athearn quad - wrong number of side posts, prototype splice plates are in different locations, change from quad to triple; MDC triple, side posts are incorrectly located, side sill is too deeper, hoppers are too shallow in profile, overall crude model).
 
 
Ben Hom 


I don't really think of the B&A as serving areas rich in mineral resources

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

Please conside for a moment the nice shot of a B&A hopper at the link below:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121728597734

I have always wondered about these B&A hoppers. I don't really think of the B&A as serving areas rich in mineral resources - so what was the original intent when the B&A acquired these hoppers?

Thanks in advance.

Claus Schlund


Re: St Louis RPM

Bill Welch
 

In other words your clinic is called "Hot Air."

Bill Welch


Re: C&O 1932 ARA boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 


Phil (nyc3001@...) asked:
"Just a week ago, I purchased an Atlas 1932 ARA boxcar lettered for the C&O. I haven't been able to find any detailed prototype photos for this particular car. Do any of you know how accurate this model is?"

This model?
http://www.atlasrr.com/Images/HOFreightCars/ho1932boxcar/0610/20000918_TQ.jpg 

I don't have a picture here at the office and will need to pull Ted Culotta's book for reference tonight, but the Atlas model matches the major details of C&O 7000-7649 from this summary by Ed Hawkins.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1932arapdfmain.html 

 
"In addition, I am primarily a NYC modeler and am also wondering as to whether the F&C 1932 ARA boxcar kit is accurate for the Central."

It is; however, NYC 100000 (no lot no., ex-ARA 1) can be also be modeled using an Atlas undecorated kit with 4/4 Dreadnaught ends and rectangular panel roof ("Body Style #1" from the Atlas website), so unless you can get the Funaro kit as a $12 polybagged special, you can save a few bucks and some assembly time by going with the Atlas model.
 

Ben Hom


Re: C&O 1932 ARA boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Phil,

 

Welcome to the group. Please note that this group requires you to sign first and last names.

 

Here’s a resource to bookmark for this and other freight car projects.

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/

 

 

Ted Culotta started this many years ago and several list members have contributed. Under Prototypes > Freight Car Prototypes you will find links to PDF files with lots of info, including one Ed Hawkins contributed on the 1932 ARA box car design. Here’s a direct link.

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

 

 

There was some discussion about the accuracy of the Atlas models when they were released. The search function through the web portal of this YahooGroup isn’t the best, but it’s a good start. You must go to Conversations and then search. I just entered ‘atlas ara 1932 box car’ and 213 messages came up quickly. One thing is for certain, Atlas did a better job on their 1932 ARA box car models than the USRA rebuilds.

 

Eric

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

Modeling Wheeling, WV, circa 1926

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

 

 

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:31 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] C&O 1932 ARA boxcar

 




Hi guys,

This is my first post here, but I've been poking around this group for the past two days. There are lots of great information here. Just a week ago, I purchased an Atlas 1932 ARA boxcar lettered for the C&O. I haven't been able to find any detailed prototype photos for this particular car. Do any of you know how accurate this model is? 

In addition, I am primarily a NYC modeler and am also wondering as to whether the F&C 1932 ARA boxcar kit is accurate for the Central.

Thanks,

Phil



Re: ODD STRUCTURE ON FLAT CAR

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

I am inclined to agree that it most nearly resembles a foamite car for fire fighting. There is, however, the lack of the X-  prefix which was customary on NYC nonrevenue equipment. One possible explanation for this is that it was a temporary lash-up, not meant to be permanent, and so the Central did not bother to renumber it.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ODD STRUCTURE ON FLAT CAR

 
Brian,

I agree with you that this is not a “transfer caboose”.  When viewing the image, I was reminded of the PRR’s Foamite fire fighting cars.  These cars were cobbled together out of general service flat cars, with tender cisterns for water and a “house” for the foamite powder, mixing tanks and pumps.  These cars were created in response to several derailments of tank cars in the “pipeline on wheels” efforts of WWII and were designed to fight oil fires in particular.  For a PRR car, see:

So, wild speculation, but it looks like it might be a foamite car :)  I think that the ends do look like 2 tender cisterns.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Aug 12, 2015, at 6:36 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC] < STMFC@...> wrote:

Any ideas?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121728560690
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-York-Central-NYC-499354-War-Emergency-flat-car-
with-some-structure-5x7-photo-/121728560690?hash=item1c57966e32>


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni


Re: C&O 1932 ARA boxcar

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hello Phil,

The Atlas car is a reasonably accurate model of the C&O's version of the 1932 ARA boxcar. The major discrepancy is the hand brake setup, and Atlas includes replacement parts to correctly model the hand brake. I found a prototype photo on the C&O historical Society website.

It seems the cars were delivered with the vertical-staff brake, but a few were converted to power hand brakes when they were assigned to serve as express boxcars. The "spare" parts thus represent the most common version of the car. Both versions of the car had different trucks, with the freight boxcar using a coil-elliptical spring package. Tahoe Model Works 108/208 is good for this truck.

For more, see Ted Culotta's "The 1932 ARA Box Car," published by Speedwitch Media but unfortunately out of print at this time.

Good luck with your car,

Andy


Re: Walthers "Gold Line" meat reefer

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <WaltGCox@...> wrote :

 I was looking for a use for a couple of the approximately 15 year old horizontal panel side cars. They look quite close to a URTX reefer in the 37000-37974 series leased to the Milwaukee Road shown in the Morning Sun color guide. Would anyone happen to know if any cars of this type were leased to the Soo Line...
=================

I've never seen pix of any of the horizontal seam cars lettered for the Soo.

Dennis Storzek


C&O 1932 ARA boxcar

Philip Lee
 

Hi guys,

This is my first post here, but I've been poking around this group for the past two days. There are lots of great information here. Just a week ago, I purchased an Atlas 1932 ARA boxcar lettered for the C&O. I haven't been able to find any detailed prototype photos for this particular car. Do any of you know how accurate this model is? 

In addition, I am primarily a NYC modeler and am also wondering as to whether the F&C 1932 ARA boxcar kit is accurate for the Central.

Thanks,

Phil


Re: STL RPM 2015 - Thanks!

Tim O'Connor
 

Not all of us fly to shows, Mr. Jet Setter.

Tim'Connor wrote:
"How about just posting a STANDARD DESIGN for the leg supports and then
asking people to volunteer to bring a few supports to the show? I could
make enough for at least one table, I think, if they're not too complicated."

Great...just what I want to do...pack leg supports with the rest of my stuff when I fly into a meet. Thanks.


Ben Hom


Re: STL RPM 2015 - Thanks!

 

Aren¹t they just sections of PVC pipe cut to length?

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...> on behalf of STMFC List
<STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 12:00 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: STL RPM 2015 - Thanks!







Tim'Connor wrote:
"How about just posting a STANDARD DESIGN for the leg supports and then
asking people to volunteer to bring a few supports to the show? I could
make enough for at least one table, I think, if they're not too
complicated."

Great...just what I want to do...pack leg supports with the rest of my stuff
when I fly into a meet. Thanks.


Ben Hom









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Re: STL RPM 2015 - Thanks!

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim'Connor wrote:
"How about just posting a STANDARD DESIGN for the leg supports and then
asking people to volunteer to bring a few supports to the show? I could
make enough for at least one table, I think, if they're not too complicated."
 
Great...just what I want to do...pack leg supports with the rest of my stuff when I fly into a meet.  Thanks.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: STL RPM 2015 - Thanks!

Tim O'Connor
 

How about just posting a STANDARD DESIGN for the leg supports and then
asking people to volunteer to bring a few supports to the show? I could
make enough for at least one table, I think, if they're not too complicated.

Tim O'Connor

Glad to hear positive reviews from RPM veterans Bill and Dave.

I am credited with being involved in the meet, but really I am not. I just complain and offer suggestions that are usually shot down. Although this year they did take my suggestion and offer a slide show Friday night for those not wishing to drive to the layout open houses. I can sit and watch slides till the wee hours, but my companions are not so inclined. After awhile we retired to the lobby for a few beers and chips and lots of BS until they threw us out.

I do not complain publicly about any of these events knowing a bit about what it takes to put one on. Mark Fedderson made table leg extensions for the model display tables at Naperville. Really helps get the models in front of you. I believe his idea was copied at Cocoa Beach? Because of the sheer number of display tables at St Louis these extensions are impractical. Usually there are lots of chairs around so you can sit down to view the models. I am guessing that because of the growth of the event there seemed to be fewer chairs this year. Last year there was a stack of chairs at the back of the room you could grab. This year they were locked up. I found out the center charges $3+ for each chair! Next year I am thinking of suggesting a admission hike to cover the cost of more chairs or being a folding chair of my own...

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: St Louis RPM

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

Yes, it's called The Theory of Everything. People who cross the Event Horizon
into my clinic may never be heard from again until they are emitted as Gamma Rays.

Tim O'Connor

So, Tim have you got a tentative title for your presentation?

Bill Welch


Re: St Louis RPM

Tim O'Connor
 


Mike, no doubt about it, the DCC+sound steam locos are very popular
with the younger (i.e. under 40) club members. But they don't seem to
be interested beyond the "oooh" and "ahhh" appeal. RTR has to some
extent spoiled a generation of modelers, although many of them have
shown a real talent for severe weathering and graffiti !

Tim O'Connor



Tim O'Connor writes:

"But it's been what, almost 20 years, the world moves on. Lots of young modelers
who are as old NOW and we were THEN so they want to model what they saw with their
own eyes.. which means 1970+/- instead of 1950+/-"

Perhaps...and certainly I have no clue what someone is selling. However,
don't sell steam TOO short. Apparently the recent reincarnation of ex-N&W
611 attracted an estimated 40,000 people to trackside in VA...very similar
to what we saw when it first came out under steam. Add the similar
reincarnation soon of the Santa Fe 2900 class and 4449's return not to
mention others such as SR's 4501. And, of course, the totally unexpected
return of Big Boy 4014 and you have to wonder. Me? I'm already reserving a
room in Cheyenne for 2019.

Mike Brock

As Bill says it's incumbent on steam era guys to pay it forward -- If you
have an amazing photo collection, lots of data, or just want to talk about
modeling something you love, we've got to do it -- the clock is ticking.

Tim O'

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