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Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

Tim O'Connor
 

And some rivet "rows" were actually variable, e.g. GATC airslide cars.
That would happen when the rivets in the "row" were attached to cross
pieces rather than to full horizontal or vertical pieces.

Paolo

Not a dumb question, but there was no standard, and riveting patterns
vary widely.
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As Tim says, no. Good engineering practice for the sort of sheet thickness used on freight cars seems to suggest a spacing of 2.5"-3", but what would happen is the designer would take the available space and divide it evenly so the rivets came out about that spacing, but it varies, often between different components on the same car. As an example, the spacing on the vertical side sheet lap seams might be different that the spacing of the rivet line that attached their bottom edge to the side sill; varied so they always worked out to divide the space evenly.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

destorzek@...
 




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Paolo

Not a dumb question, but there was no standard, and riveting patterns
vary widely.
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As Tim says, no. Good engineering practice for the sort of sheet thickness used on freight cars seems to suggest a spacing of 2.5"-3", but what would happen is the designer would take the available space and divide it evenly so the rivets came out about that spacing, but it varies, often between different components on the same car. As an example, the spacing on the vertical side sheet  lap seams might be different that the spacing of the rivet line that attached their bottom edge to the side sill; varied so they always worked out to divide the space evenly.

Dennis Storzek


Re: This can't be right...can it?

Todd Horton
 

No. Todd Horton

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 6:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] This can't be right...can it?

 

 

A Westerfield PRR XL boxcar in shadow keystone?

Westerfield #1304 Pennsylvania Railroad PRR XL Box Car Custom Built Rare

 

 

Tom Madden 


Re: This can't be right...can it?

William Bryk <wmbryk@...>
 

I don't think so, as they say, but if the price is right, buy it and immediately strip the decals from it and do the right thing by it.  This kind of vandalism = putting this kind of stuff on a Westerfield car = is unutterably vulgar.

William Bryk

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:37 PM, pullmanboss@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

A Westerfield PRR XL boxcar in shadow keystone?

Westerfield #1304 Pennsylvania Railroad PRR XL Box Car Custom Built Rare



Tom Madden 




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This can't be right...can it?

Tom Madden
 

A Westerfield PRR XL boxcar in shadow keystone?

Westerfield #1304 Pennsylvania Railroad PRR XL Box Car Custom Built Rare



Tom Madden 


ADMIN: Termination of NMRA thread.

Mikebrock
 

Given that two members have violated the STMFC policy of NOT posting to a terminated thread...particularly one terminated with emphasis...I am issuing an additional warning that the thread concerning the NMRA IS TERMINATED. You risk time in Moderate Jail if you post to this thread. And, yes, the jail is operational. And, I might note that the food served is even worse than the last time I looked and the screams are even louder.

Mike Brock
STMFC Jailer


Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

Tim O'Connor
 

Paolo

Not a dumb question, but there was no standard, and riveting patterns
vary widely. You need to study -THE- prototype of each car you want to
model, if you're interested in correctness.

Tim O'Connor

There is a strong possibility of this being a dumb question, but I'm going to ask anyway.

During the tome period covered by this list, was there a "standard" rivet spacing used on freight cars? Reason I ask is, I'm wondering if it could be used to determine exterior dimensions from photos.

Thanks
Paolo Roffo


Might be a dumb question, but...

Paolo Roffo
 

There is a strong possibility of this being a dumb question, but I'm going to ask anyway.

During the tome period covered by this list, was there a "standard" rivet spacing used on freight cars? Reason I ask is, I'm wondering if it could be used to determine exterior dimensions from photos.

Thanks
Paolo Roffo


Re: Resin Pullman Std propreitary 8' 7' 6' wide doors

Scott H. Haycock
 

My apologies to the group.

I meant my last post to be off list.

Scott haycock
 


Re: NMRA membership

Charlie Vlk
 

I am reading this on my iPhone so it is difficult to follow the entire thread and I add this observation as a statement of fact in relevance to freight car modeling specifically and the Hobby of Model Railroading in general:
The NMRA was founded by Modelers and Manufacturers, and Magazine people many of whom were also modelers.
The original purpose was to assure interchange, and in that sense it mirrored the Master Car Builders, Master Mechanics, ARA, and AAR.
Sometime during the X2f coupler process the manufacturers and magazine folk dropped out of active participation and the Standards activities were left to modelers with little or no input from those that produce models.  
There are important areas of interface that are not addressed....couplers and draft gear boxes, truck/body bolster dimensions...and these cause problems for manufacturers and modelers alike.
Charlie Vlk


On May 30, 2015, at 11:02 PM, "harperandbrown@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I am not a lone wolf but still find it irrelevant.


Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Resin Pullman Std propreitary 8' 7' 6' wide doors

Scott H. Haycock
 

Andy,

I'd like them all, or whatever may still be available.

Scott haycock


 

Hi-

I got a little nostalgic this week, and pulled out some molds.

I made 3 pairs of PS 8' wide proprietary doors. These don't have the exaggerated raised panels the Kadee doors have.

Cast in Devcon white 2-ton epoxy, tinted gray.
Offered for $5.50 pair, shipping included.

I also have a single pair of the 6' wide PS door, $5.50/pair includes shipping.
I also have a single pair of 7' wide PS doors, priced as above.

If interested, contact me off-list @
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Resin Pullman Std propreitary 8' 7' 6' wide doors

Andy Carlson
 

Hi-

I got a little nostalgic this week, and pulled out some molds.

I made 3 pairs of PS 8' wide proprietary doors. These don't have the exaggerated raised panels the Kadee doors have.

Cast in Devcon white 2-ton epoxy, tinted gray.
Offered for $5.50 pair, shipping included.

I also have a single pair of the 6' wide PS door, $5.50/pair includes shipping.
I also have a single pair of 7' wide PS doors, priced as above.

If interested, contact me off-list @
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: {Disarmed} NMRA membership

James Babcock
 

Paid.  Will continue to be as well.
Jim Babcock
Pittsburgh, PA
 
Model ATSF mid 50s; use data sheets all the time; use the JRMI and NMRA references/resources for DCC, etc., etc.



On Sunday, May 31, 2015 9:54 AM, "Jeff Shultz jeff@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I am - I'm on the board of the local division and will be volunteering at the upcoming National Convention.

On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
As we sit here in the hotel room, post NE RPM, drinking lovely local
beer and chewing the fact, (Trevor Marshall and I), we find ourselves
wondering about the relevance of the NMRA in the prototype modeling world.
So here's the big question. How many modelers on this list are paid
members of the NMRA today?

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www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


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Re: NMRA membership-Oops.

boomer44@...
 

Sorry guy's... I missed the closed thread.
Gordon


Re: NMRA membership

boomer44@...
 

I'm a life member since '77. I have had grips with NMRA myself. That being said I have made many friendships and seen many layouts I never would had I stayed a "lone Wolf". The NMRA standards are what I have used for my layout having proven valuable and reliable.

You guy's with grips... yep... understand. I do think you will find the new leadership has made the NMRA more open and friendlier. AND... your NMRA membership is good the all over the world. Want to attend an event in timbucktoo... go ahead and you will pay the same fee as the local member. The only thing you can't do is vote or hold office in another region or division not your own. The NMRA really wants to retain and win back former members... you might want to try a second time.

By the way it was my wife who convinced me to stay with the NMRA. She likes railroading as much as I do.

Gordon Spalty


Re: {Disarmed} NMRA membership

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

I am - I'm on the board of the local division and will be volunteering at the upcoming National Convention.

On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

As we sit here in the hotel room, post NE RPM, drinking lovely local
beer and chewing the fact, (Trevor Marshall and I), we find ourselves
wondering about the relevance of the NMRA in the prototype modeling world.
So here's the big question. How many modelers on this list are paid
members of the NMRA today?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


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Re: NMRA membership

genegreen1942@...
 

Life member for about 25 years now.  

Perhaps no one aspect of the NMRA warrants membership but all taken together do.  

The NMRA's activities setting standards, imperfect as it may be, is better than the vacuum that would result otherwise.  

Most of my best memories of past social and convention activities are at NMRA type activities.

Relevant to prototype modeling?  Not always but often enough.

I miss Whit Towers "biffys" and printed car sides, neither of which relate to prototype freight car modeling but both were fun.

Gene Green


Re: NMRA membership

Jeremy Dummler
 

Paid.  Will continue to be as well.
Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL


On May 30, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

As we sit here in the hotel room, post NE RPM, drinking lovely local
beer and chewing the fact, (Trevor Marshall and I), we find ourselves
wondering about the relevance of the NMRA in the prototype modeling world.
So here's the big question. How many modelers on this list are paid
members of the NMRA today?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: NMRA membership

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 5/30/2015 7:52 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

As we sit here in the hotel room, post NE RPM, drinking lovely local
beer and chewing the fact, (Trevor Marshall and I), we find ourselves
wondering about the relevance of the NMRA in the prototype modeling world.
So here's the big question. How many modelers on this list are paid
members of the NMRA today?

Pierre,

I also continue to pay my dues. I particularly believe that without the NMRA we wouldn't have many of the standards we have today. I know the NMRA occasionally falls victim to petty squabbles and such, but it's better than nothing.

Spen Kellogg


Re: NMRA membership

Bob Chapman
 

Um -- what does this have to do with freight cars???
 
Bob Chapman
 
 
 
 
As we sit here in the hotel room, post NE RPM, drinking lovely local
beer and chewing the fact, (Trevor Marshall and I), we find ourselves
wondering about the relevance of the NMRA in the prototype modeling world.
So here's the big question. How many modelers on this list are paid
members of the NMRA today?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

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