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Re: Red Caboose HO Scale SP GS Gons

Ted Waterhouse
 

Thanks Ben - and everyone. I might try looking for a couple of the DA kits if I can dig them up, but great to know the Red Caboose models won't jump out as bogus on my Jawbone line. tw
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On Wed, 6/10/15, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose HO Scale SP GS Gons
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2015, 11:17 AM


 









Ted
Waterhouse asked:
"I have a question
re. Southern Pacific steel sided GS gondolas circa late
'40s - early '50s. I picked up a couple of the Red
Caboose RTR steel sided models lettered for SP in HO and
find the detail to be great but have heard through the
grapevine that these are not actually accurate. Can anyone
fill me in on this and whether they can be corrected and/or
whether there are any other accurate
alternatives?" I'm
curious if you can attribute any sources from the
"grapevine", as I'm unaware of any accuracy
issues with the Red Caboose GS gondola.  The one caveat I
do have is if you're modeling the late 40s - early 50s
is the billboard "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" scheme is
post-1956 and too late for your time
period. If you
can't find the Red Caboose steel gon models, the Detail
Associates steel gon is the same prototype.  It's out
of production, but can be readily found on the secondary
market and is likely to be hiding in old stock on your hobby
shop shelf.  It's not a shake the box kit, but does
build into a very nice model.  Champ SHS-144 is still the
best set for these cars and is worth the
search.  Ben
Hom









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Re: Richard Hendrickson's lumber loads

Jack Mullen
 

Thanks for sharing these. Richard continues to be an inspiration.

For me, the GN car's load really hits the mark. The effort to place a LOT of pieces of small-dimension lumber makes a convincing and seldom modeled load, and the coloring seems spot-on for, say, freshly milled fir.

Jack Mullen


Re: Red Caboose SP GS gons.

Ted Waterhouse
 

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On Wed, 6/10/15, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose SP GS gons.
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2015, 11:11 AM

That's great to hear Tony since I have a 4-pack of them on order just now. Btw, is that Detail Associates kit you mention still available? tw
 









Ted Waterhouse wrote:















 



I have a question
re. Southern Pacific steel sided GS gondolas circa late
'40s - early '50s. I picked up a couple of the Red
Caboose RTR steel sided models lettered for SP in HO and
find the detail to be great but have heard through the
grapevine that these are not actually accurate. Can anyone
fill me in on this and whether they can be corrected and/or
whether there are any other accurate alternatives? I should
note that I'm not talking about sugar beet gons here as
I'm focusing on the Jawbone Branch circe 1953. Thanks,
Ted Waterhouse, San Luis Obispo









 
   I have no idea what "the grapevine" objects
to in these models, but they are in fact VERY accurate. They
do have some compromises, as do all molded plastic freight
cars, but overall I would say they are entirely
satisfactory. Perhaps someone is negatively comparing them
to the Detail Associates kit, which was indeed another level
of detail, but the Red Caboose models are certainly not
"wrong."

Tony Thompson          
  Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA
94705         www.signaturepress.com(510) 540-6538; fax, (510)
540-1937; e-mail, tony@... of books on railroad
history















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Re: Richard Hendrickson's lumber loads

Andy Sperandeo
 

By the way, there have been several articles over the years on how to build board-by-board lumber loads. One of the classics is Jack Work's "Lumber loads for your flatcars" in the February 1957 Model Railroader. If Richard's work inspires you, the Jack Work article is a good place to start your own project. – Andy


Re: Red Caboose SP GS gons.

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes but they bear no fruit ! :-)

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Grapevines wither and die if they are not fed and watered with accurate information."

Sadly, the opposite is true. They grow like kudzu when fed crap.

Ben Hom


Re: Richard Hendrickson's lumber loads

Andy Sperandeo
 

Thanks Tony,

I've built board-by-board loads myself, so I appreciate the work that goes into them. That's a nice way to remember our friend Richard.

So long,

Andy


Re: Richard Hendrickson's lumber loads

Fran Giacoma
 

 Cool looking loads. Gave me some ideas for adding lumber loads to my flat cars. The creosote ones look especially nice.
Thanks Tony for posting them.
Fran Giacoma


Red Caboose HO Scale SP GS Gons

Andy Carlson
 

If anyone doesn't mind removing factory lettering, I have 4 RTR (assembled) Red Caboose steel gons in the flying Rio Grande lettering over an all black car body. New, priced at $22/ea.
contact me off-list for details
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


 Ben Hom wrote:
If you can't find the Red Caboose steel gon models, the Detail Associates steel gon is the same prototype.  It's out of production, but can be readily found on the secondary market and is likely to be hiding in old stock on your hobby shop shelf.  It's not a shake the box kit, but does build into a very nice model.  Champ SHS-144 is still the best set for these cars and is worth the search.
 
 



Re: Red Caboose SP GS gons.

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Grapevines wither and die if they are not fed and watered with accurate information."
 
Sadly, the opposite is true.  They grow like kudzu when fed crap.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Red Caboose SP GS gons.

Tim O'Connor
 

The steel side cars with rounded corner post, dreadnaught ends are highly accurate
models of the SP G-50-22 gondolas built in 1948-1949 by Bethlehem Steel. Red Caboose
also made a rectangular corner post dreadnaught end, which I think is accurate for
the SP G-50-16 built in 1944 by Mount Vernon. Detail Associates also produced the
"plate end" which is accurate for the G-50-15's. I have not checked to see if that
end could be adapted for the Red Caboose kit.

Grapevines wither and die if they are not fed and watered with accurate information.

Tim O'Connor


I have a question re. Southern Pacific steel sided GS gondolas circa late '40s - early '50s.
I picked up a couple of the Red Caboose RTR steel sided models lettered for SP in HO and find
the detail to be great but have heard through the grapevine that these are not actually accurate.
Can anyone fill me in on this and whether they can be corrected and/or whether there are any other
accurate alternatives? I should note that I'm not talking about sugar beet gons here as I'm
focusing on the Jawbone Branch circe 1953.
Thanks, Ted Waterhouse, San Luis Obispo


Re: Red Caboose HO Scale SP GS Gons

Benjamin Hom
 

Ted Waterhouse asked:
"I have a question re. Southern Pacific steel sided GS gondolas circa late '40s - early '50s. I picked up a couple of the Red Caboose RTR steel sided models lettered for SP in HO and find the detail to be great but have heard through the grapevine that these are not actually accurate. Can anyone fill me in on this and whether they can be corrected and/or whether there are any other accurate alternatives?"
 
I'm curious if you can attribute any sources from the "grapevine", as I'm unaware of any accuracy issues with the Red Caboose GS gondola.  The one caveat I do have is if you're modeling the late 40s - early 50s is the billboard "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" scheme is post-1956 and too late for your time period.
 
If you can't find the Red Caboose steel gon models, the Detail Associates steel gon is the same prototype.  It's out of production, but can be readily found on the secondary market and is likely to be hiding in old stock on your hobby shop shelf.  It's not a shake the box kit, but does build into a very nice model.  Champ SHS-144 is still the best set for these cars and is worth the search.
 
 
Ben Hom


Richard Hendrickson's lumber loads

Tony Thompson
 

Among the many freight cars of Richard's which I photographed were a number with lumber loads. I have written a blog post about these models, and included photos. If you'd like to take a look, the post is at this link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/06/richard-hendricksons-lumber-loads.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Red Caboose SP GS gons.

Tony Thompson
 

Ted Waterhouse wrote:

 

I have a question re. Southern Pacific steel sided GS gondolas circa late '40s - early '50s. I picked up a couple of the Red Caboose RTR steel sided models lettered for SP in HO and find the detail to be great but have heard through the grapevine that these are not actually accurate. Can anyone fill me in on this and whether they can be corrected and/or whether there are any other accurate alternatives? I should note that I'm not talking about sugar beet gons here as I'm focusing on the Jawbone Branch circe 1953. Thanks, Ted Waterhouse, San Luis Obispo


     I have no idea what "the grapevine" objects to in these models, but they are in fact VERY accurate. They do have some compromises, as do all molded plastic freight cars, but overall I would say they are entirely satisfactory. Perhaps someone is negatively comparing them to the Detail Associates kit, which was indeed another level of detail, but the Red Caboose models are certainly not "wrong."

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Hancock Oil tank cars

rdietrichson
 

Hi all,

Not being from the west coast, but modeling it, I'm trying to determine what the paint scheme was for the Hancock Oil tank cars.  I believe the cars were silver with red underbody and red lettering.  Is this assumption correct?

Thanks for any help.

Rick Dietrichson

Wilmington, NC


Red Caboose SP GS gons.

Ted Waterhouse
 

I have a question re. Southern Pacific steel sided GS gondolas circa late '40s - early '50s. I picked up a couple of the Red Caboose RTR steel sided models lettered for SP in HO and find the detail to be great but have heard through the grapevine that these are not actually accurate. Can anyone fill me in on this and whether they can be corrected and/or whether there are any other accurate alternatives? I should note that I'm not talking about sugar beet gons here as I'm focusing on the Jawbone Branch circe 1953. Thanks, Ted Waterhouse, San Luis Obispo


Re: Super Glue

Allen Montgomery <sandbear75@...>
 

If your interested in other glues, google Gluesmith out of San Diego, California. They have a starter kit that includes thin and gap filler, the accelerant and the key to a project I am working on now.
I have too many heavyweights for the Wyoming Divisions 1957 era, so I am turning some of them into M.O.W. cars. After cutting down the mullions on the windows and scraping a close to 90 degree edge around the window, I place thin styrene over the opening. Gluesmith has a filler product that will make any mistakes I make in cutting a square piece of styrene to cover the opening disappear. It consists of tiny plastic balls so when you add the glue it kind of dissolves and looks good enough to paint with out having to sand or use putty. I have yet to perfect the technique but I am happy so far. The glue comes with a ridiculously long applicator nozzle that is finer than anything I have seen elsewhere, leading to successful bonds in the hardest to reach places.
I bought my first bottles at the exhibition hall of the Az. state fair 8 years ago and those bottles lasted for years with out drying up or clotting.
Definitely opened a new door to better modeling for me.
Allen



On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:13 PM, "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"


 
John, I fully endorse what you have written.  I have been using “Locktite Super Glue,” not the professional versions you have, which I bought in the local hardware/lumberyard store.  It behaves as you describe the liquid version. I have been using it to glue styrene strip to wood strips and it is very strong and fast acting.  Not impossibly fast, but you do need to get it right the first time – or nearly so, so you can move it a little bit to be exactly right.  Maybe 10-15 seconds to when you might better just pick up the part and start over.
 
I have also been using Gorilla Glue’s ACC, and it’s good, but when I go out for more, I will be looking for the Loctite, including the gel version you found.
 
Schuyler
 
I am cross-posting this on this group and the PRR Modeling group.
 
I have been a long-time user of the various Zap super glues (CA adhesive), but recently ran out and did not feel like driving all the way across town to the LHS.  So I picked up a container of Loctite Professional Liquid Super Glue and a container of Loctite Gel Control Super Glue at WalMart.  Well, that is the last time I am buying Zap.
 
The Gel Control has become my favorite CA.  It comes out as a gel, is very easy to control and stays where you put it!  When you press a part into it, wham!  It literally grabs the part and holds onto it.  You can reposition the part but better do it fast.  The glue sets up completely in a few hours and is very strong.
 
As far as the Professional Liquid, I find that it is a bit thicker than most "liquid" CAs but also stays where you put it and grabs fast so you don't have to hold a part in place forever while the glue sets.  On the other hand if you put the glue in place, then drop a part (I know none of the rest of you ever do that) it does not set up immediately you do not usually have to reapply it, but again it grabs the part quite fast.
 
Trust me, I do not own stock in Loctite or get free glue from them, I just found this by accident and now am using it 100% of the time I use CA.
 
P.S.  Loctite makes a pre-treatment for acetal plastics (Delrin, etc) that you spray on and then use the CA to make an excellent bond to anything else.  I believe the pre-treatment is called 770 or something like that.  Glued some trucks back together with this pre-treatment and they are still holding together.
 
-- John
 



Re: copying photos

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 6/9/2015 4:35 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] wrote:
Copyright law in 1978

    I believe this was called the Mickey Mouse law.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


ADMIN: Rooms are available in the Moderate Jail

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

I will note that the message by Mike Bauers regarding copyright is not only out of scope but is part of a terminated thread. Not good. If anyone plans to continue with comments concerning this terminated and out of scope thread, please do it now since I am down in the...shudder...Moderate Jail and have opened one of the old wings. We did have to move one occupant, he kept raving about some message from back in 2003....Anyhow, not to worry, there is room for more...

Mike Brock
From the Moderate Jail


Re: Photos, copyright etc.

mwbauers
 

Copyright may be a real headache in the near future when The Feds hand off The Internet to International Control..... As seems to be happening.

Copyright will have a wholly different set of international rules with a foreign managed Internet. Or you will have to respect every countries variations on Copyright laws.

We won't know for awhile what the new guidelines will be for Copyrights under the new Internet regulations.

It's going to be interesting....

Mike Bauers

On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:37 PM, "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

The broad answer is that anything copyrighted later than 1922 MAY still be in copyright if copyrights were renewed. Anything created later than 1978 IS copyrighted, automatically under the law. But photos are a special problem, if taken before 1978, because they were not then automatically copyrighted by the creator as they are today, and very few photographers bothered to register copyright for photos prior to 1978. If they were not copyrighted earlier, and you purchased the negative or original slide, AND you are sure no


Re: Hoppers from early 20th century

wdzwonchyk
 

This could be narrow gauge mine locomotive trackage.  A variety of gauges were laid in and around the anthracite mines.
Wayne Dzwonchyk 
 
 

On 06/10/15, stevecaple@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
 

I don't know enough about the DL&W to say anything about whether or not they ever had interchange with a 3 ft narrow gauge road.  Only that the proportion of the track gauges fits the ratio of 36" to 56.5", so the center track looks like dual gauge on the same centerline.  If hte time and location of the photograph make it impossible, I stand corrected.

Steve

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