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Re: MythBusters: Athearn "Standard" Baggage Car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 4/20/2015 7:56 AM, Andy Sperandeo asperandeo@... [STMFC] wrote:
I wish there was an inexpensive Santa Fe heavyweight baggage car on the market,

    I second that Andy!

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Re: MythBusters: Athearn "Standard" Baggage Car

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hi Ben,

The Athearn standarad or heavyweight baggage car definitely does not represent any Santa Fe prototype. The Athearn car lacks the Santa Fe's characteristic I-beam side sill (often mis-labeled a channel sill, but it had two sides). The door sizes and locations don't match either, Santa Fe cars generally lacked belt rails, and the letter board is way too deep on the Athearn model. I wish there was an inexpensive Santa Fe heavyweight baggage car on the market, but unfortunately that's not the case.

So long,

Andy


Re: MythBusters: Athearn "Standard" Baggage Car

Benjamin Hom
 



Dennis Storzek wrote:
"I thought the Athearn heavyweight baggage car more or less faithfully followed the drawings of the USRA design published in several of the CBC's, except they missed the fact that on the USRA design the sides were mirror image, so both large doors were at the same end of the car."
 
Thanks!  The $64,000 question is "did anyone actually build cars to this design", or is it another Gould tank car?
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: MythBusters: Athearn "Standard" Baggage Car

destorzek@...
 

I thought the Athearn heavyweight baggage car more or less faithfully followed the drawings of the USRA design published in several of the CBC's, except they missed the fact that on the USRA design the sides were mirror image, so both large doors were at the same end of the car.

Dennis Storzek


MythBusters: Athearn "Standard" Baggage Car

Benjamin Hom
 

All,

The old claim that the Athearn "Standard" baggage car represents a Santa Fe prototype has cropped up on the B&O list. My Santa Fe passenger car references are somewhat lacking - would any of the Santa Fe modelers care to comment?

I'm very skeptical of the claim, and suspect that over the years modelers have applied the fact that the "Streamline" baggage represents a Santa Fe prototype (which is true) to the "Standard" baggage (which is dubious unless someone can prove otherwise).


Ben Hom


Re: NYC 28000 Series Stock Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Stan (smadyda@...) wrote:


"There are actually a couple of more articles out done with fish belly underframes but I have not seen an actual photo."

Those articles are definitely in error.  Both lots of stock cars were converted from USRA SS boxcars, which did NOT have fishbelly underframes.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC 28000 Series Stock Car

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Hi Stan,

Thanks for your thoughts and comments.

Yes, I also saw the article mentioning the fishbelly underfame.

The General Arrangement diagram I sourced from the NYC Historical Society, and the photo in the pdf

https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/the-nyc-oval.pdf

show a straight underframe, which appears to be match the USRA underfame available from Tichy (which makes sense).

 

I feel I’ll probably narrow the body, but use the Tichy ends (which I hope should fit) to save gluing the ends back together and filing all those rib joints (grin).

 

Like you in intent to replace the plastic rod with a metal one.

I’ll drill the end two brackets using a normal twist drill but for the inner ones, I’ll use a needle to mark a centre hole on the inner bracket, then I’ll sharpen the end of a piece of steel or brass rod of the appropriate size to make a spade drill, mount it in a pin vise and feed it through the end bracket so I can tunnel bore the adjacent middle bracket, then do the same for the other middle bracket.

 

I’ve done this before for long grab irons, and it has worked well. There is a 50/50 chance it will work for this as well.

 

I’ll check out the other items you mention when the cars arrive (just bought them so I don’t have them yet).

 

Stan, do you have any other prototype photos of these cars, please?

Cheers

Dave North

 

 


Re: NYC 28000 Series Stock Car

Stan Madyda
 

I am currently doing four of the 28000 series and two of the 27000 series.  Yes, the RMC article is an excellent guide.   There are actually a couple of more articles out done with fish belly underframes but I have not seen an actual photo.  The NYC drawings that I have show the lengthwise rod on the left hand side of the car as you face the brake end.  Photos show it on the opposite side.  For my cars, I am leaving the width as it is.  I didn't want to attempt cutting the car in half and then trying to get a good looking joint.  Plus the livestock enjoy the extra room!  I did one car with the end ladders with individual grabs. It's tedious but it came out okay.  I did wreck a couple of ladders in the process.  What helped me was using a sharp punch to make a starter hole before drilling.  Otherwise, I had difficulty with the bit wandering which damaged the ladder.  For the other cars, I'm using a stock Tichy ladder on the ends.  The rod on the bottom of the car is easily broken and I am thinking of removing it and replacing it with a brass rod.  If I do that, I'll file a groove in the back of the hangers.

Stan


Re: Can you help with a presentation on PRR box cars and modeling? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Bruce Smith
 

Sorry folks - meant to send that off list <G>
-Bruce

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Elden,

Here you go! I have sent you a couple of X28 cars (Sunshine resin kits), three version of the X29, as done by modifying the Red Caboose kits, and each of the X31 classes, as done by modifying the Bowser kits.

Regards,
Bruce

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Folks;

I would really appreciate your help in my prep of a presentation on PRR box cars (1919-1968), and modeling!

I would love to show your work, in the "and here's how to model this class" segment, so if you could share a photo or two of your PRR box car models, I'd really appreciate it (and of course, put your name to it).

If you also have any good photos of the prototype you could share, especially in-service or unusual sub-classes.

Consider it over the weekend, and let me know if you could help.

Bruce Smith and Tom Haag, I know you have some great ones....

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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Re: Can you help with a presentation on PRR box cars and modeling? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Bruce Smith
 

Elden,

Here you go! I have sent you a couple of X28 cars (Sunshine resin kits), three version of the X29, as done by modifying the Red Caboose kits, and each of the X31 classes, as done by modifying the Bowser kits.

Regards,
Bruce

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Folks;

I would really appreciate your help in my prep of a presentation on PRR box cars (1919-1968), and modeling!

I would love to show your work, in the "and here's how to model this class" segment, so if you could share a photo or two of your PRR box car models, I'd really appreciate it (and of course, put your name to it).

If you also have any good photos of the prototype you could share, especially in-service or unusual sub-classes.

Consider it over the weekend, and let me know if you could help.

Bruce Smith and Tom Haag, I know you have some great ones....

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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Re: older freight car models/rivet decals

al_brown03
 

Nice tanks!

AL B.


Re: NYC 28000 Series Stock Car

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Ben, Roger & Walt,

Thanks for your help with info on the NYC stock car.

Ben, that RMC article is excellent.

Cheers

Dave North

 

 

 

 


Re: older freight car models/rivet decals

Tony Thompson
 

Al Brown wrote:

An example of Archer rivets on an un-painted surface appears in RMC 3/15, p 13. Shameless plug: I built it. :-)


       I did the same in adding rivets to the Walthers "McGraw Oil" tanks, and on one tank I added Archer weld lines instead. It's figure 17 in my MRH article for March 2014. You can download any issue of MRH for free at:  http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/


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Re: older freight car models/rivet decals

al_brown03
 

An example of Archer rivets on an un-painted surface appears in RMC 3/15, p 13. Shameless plug: I built it. :-)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

P.S. I've recently posted photos of the finished car on the "Shake_N_Take" group.


Re: older freight car models/rivet decals

Tim O'Connor
 


It would be easy enough to shoot a light coat of a light color onto the
Archer decal sheet, if applying the rivets to a dark surface.



       Yes, Archer rivets install well on any glossy surface, painted or not. If the surface is matte, they are like any decal, and don't settle well, so a gloss undercoat then is recommended. And being black in color, a light-colored undercoat is a HUGE help. Don't ask how I learned this.

Tony Thompson  


Re: Intermountain stock car

Mikebrock
 

Ed Mines...apparently having some difficulties with tank car kits today...notes:

"Any wonder that many men choose to buy 1 expensive assembled car instead of 2 or even 3 difficult to assemble freight car kits."

Are you suggesting that women choose to do differently? And, yes, you must sign messages...the rules have not changed.

Mike Brock


Re: Tichy tank car kit

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mines wrote:

 
Installing the handrails and ladders on this kit is  an exercise in frustration and something I could never do without a drawer full of tools, extra parts, 35 years experience and a lot of patience.

      Yes, the ladder does not seem to fit right in most cases. You end up having to kind of redesign the attachment, It's a shock because so much of the kit is so beautifully made and practically falls together

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Tichy tank car kit

ed_mines
 

Installing the handrails and ladders on this kit is  an exercise in frustration and something I could never do without a drawer full of tools, extra parts, 35 years experience and a lot of patience.


I'm not surprised to find no built up cars for sale.


Ed Mines


Re: older freight car models/rivet decals

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

You can also brush a coat of Pledge Floor Care Multi-Surface Finish onto
just the area to receive the decals. Wait a day for it to dry and apply them
like regular decals.



Jack Burgess



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Ed Mines wrote:







You can't even see rivets on some photos of freight cars. I can barely seen
them on some scale models like the intermountain USRA gondola in front of me
now.

Can rivet decals be installed on bare plastic or metal or do they need a
paint undercoat?



Yes, Archer rivets install well on any glossy surface, painted or
not. If the surface is matte, they are like any decal, and don't settle
well, so a gloss undercoat then is recommended. And being black in color, a
light-colored undercoat is a HUGE help. Don't ask how I learned this.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: older freight car models/rivet decals

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mines wrote:

 
You can't even see rivets on some photos  of freight cars. I can barely seen them on some scale models like the intermountain USRA gondola in front of me now.

Can rivet decals be installed on bare plastic or metal or do they need a paint undercoat?


       Yes, Archer rivets install well on any glossy surface, painted or not. If the surface is matte, they are like any decal, and don't settle well, so a gloss undercoat then is recommended. And being black in color, a light-colored undercoat is a HUGE help. Don't ask how I learned this.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




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