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Re: NYC train consists

Guy Wilber
 

Terry wrote:

"The originals notes marked them as boxcars – so I left them that way"

Thank you, Terry.

Kindest Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Overloaded Cars

Terry Link
 

 
 
 
 

I'm looking through Terry Link's Information on NYC train consists, and I'm noticing several cars that are overloaded. For example, in the list for train XN-2, dated May 20 1948, there is SAL box car #17220 listed as containing 60 tons of wheat. Considering this car, a SAL class B-6, is rated at 50 tons, that's a 10 ton over capacity load.

My question is how common was it for the railroad's to accept cars that were overloaded? Was there a percentage of capacity that was acceptable to overload a car?

 

I noticed this when entering these and found a lot of hopper cars overloaded.  There are also some flat cars loaded with Russian locomotives that are marked 105 tons – yet the cars are only rated for 50 or 70 tons.  So not sure what to make of some of these numbers.

 

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
www.canadasouthern.com


Re: NYC train consists

Terry Link
 

 
 
 
 

Thank you, Terry.  Nicely done!  One question; did you designate auto cars with an "A" or are they grouped in with all box cars? 

 
 
The originals notes marked them as boxcars – so I left them that way
 
Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
www.canadasouthern.com


Overloaded Cars

Scott H. Haycock
 

I'm looking through Terry Link's Information on NYC train consists, and I'm noticing several cars that are overloaded. For example, in the list for train XN-2, dated May 20 1948, there is SAL box car #17220 listed as containing 60 tons of wheat. Considering this car, a SAL class B-6, is rated at 50 tons, that's a 10 ton over capacity load.


My question is how common was it for the railroad's to accept cars that were overloaded? Was there a percentage of capacity that was acceptable to overload a car?


Scott Haycock  


Re: B&O Modeler

water.kresse@...
 

Bob,
 
We could use another C&O Basement Sub-division article . . . say, like how make an ex-SV&E hopper car into a C&O car starting with XYZ model.  We've B&O, SV&E and C&O proto-pix to star with somewhere.
 
How is Colorado treating you?  It is "stinkin" hot here in the Thumb of Michigan today . . . with a lot more humidity than Colorado has . . . and more grass to cut.
 
Al


From: "chapbob611@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC"
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 1:31:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O Modeler

 
Al Kresse writes:
I would guess it is the same problem as with the C&O Historical Society -- nobody is writing modeling articles to put in the Magazine nor the electronic Newsletter.
 
 
 
Al --
 
Not quite nobody, at least on the B&O side. I have been submitting articles to B&O Modeler; as each has appeared I have submitted another. And as Modeler died, my latest submission (a freight car feature) is concurrently dying in the "Modeler office," and a few others for later issues are dying in my file.
 
Large numbers of submitted articles may be lacking, but I'm certain enough material was available to keep Modeler going, especially if the publication schedule were made flexible as it has been in recent years. It's my belief that the primary problem is the time, skill, and commitment required from a volunteer editor to make each issue happen. It's a big job, and there doesn't seem to be a ready solution, at least in this case.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman    


Re: B&O Modeler

Bob Chapman
 

Al Kresse writes:
I would guess it is the same problem as with the C&O Historical Society -- nobody is writing modeling articles to put in the Magazine nor the electronic Newsletter.
 
 
 
Al --
 
Not quite nobody, at least on the B&O side. I have been submitting articles to B&O Modeler; as each has appeared I have submitted another. And as Modeler died, my latest submission (a freight car feature) is concurrently dying in the "Modeler office," and a few others for later issues are dying in my file.
 
Large numbers of submitted articles may be lacking, but I'm certain enough material was available to keep Modeler going, especially if the publication schedule were made flexible as it has been in recent years. It's my belief that the primary problem is the time, skill, and commitment required from a volunteer editor to make each issue happen. It's a big job, and there doesn't seem to be a ready solution, at least in this case.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman    


Re: NYC train consists

Clark Propst
 

Great info. Thanks so much for transcribing it!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: NYC train consists

Guy Wilber
 

Terry wrote:

"I also included an excel file with all the 46264 pieces of equipment in one file that you can download and sort and search as you like.  This can be downloaded from the main consist page."

Thank you, Terry.  Nicely done!  One question; did you designate auto cars with an "A" or are they grouped in with all box cars?  

Kindest Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: NYC train consists

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I am awed.  Wow.

 

Schuyler

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 8:52 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] NYC train consists

 

 

I have just completed taking the notes from 21 NYC conductor books and

posting the train consists to my website.  These cover freight trains

operating between Cleveland ( Collinwood ) and Toledo on the NYC mainline.

Most trains are through freights, though there are a few MofW trains, way

freights, express trains and Norwalk branch trains mixed in.

 

In total - there are 641 consists covering 46264 pieces of equipment from

356 companies - primarily from the 1940s including some from the war years.

Included are some new car and locomotive deliveries mixed in, such as a UP

challenger and NH PS1 boxcars being sent east with their first loads before

seeing NH rails.  There are some

Canadian cars being used between US points.  Horses being transported in

regular boxcars.  Stock cars being used for loads other than livestock.

There is one case of a car being partially unloaded at one location and then

carrying on to a second location.  There is a case of 2 cars from 2

different railroads with the same car number next to each other.  Many cases

of consecutive car numbers being next to each other and not being new cars

on delivery.

 

There are a few pieces of equipment that I have not been able to identify

and maybe someone on here can help:

 

There are 3 cranes listed with reporting marks of B.C.Co. #3560  FCC #6 and

KCC #2895.

1 piece of equipment marked as air compressor on own wheels with reporting

mark PS #1423.

2 flat cars with DCX reporting marks - cars #11 and #12 from November 1947

destined for Hopedale

MKT #1070 marked as a boxcar - from September 1946

NS #2099 marked as a hopper - from August 1947

 

 

You can find these consists at:

 

I also included an excel file with all the 46264 pieces of equipment in one

file that you can download and sort and search as you like.  This can be

downloaded from the main consist page.

 

 

You can find a quick summary of all reporting marks found with car counts

here:

 

 

Please note:  I'm not going to pretend there are no mistakes in the files.

The handwriting in the books was difficult to decipher at

times as quite a few letters look similar  ( such as  i,j,g and q ) and

overwriting to make corrections, etc..  There were many errors in the

original

books and I have corrected many of them, however, I am sure there are still

many errors in the files.  I have not tried to correct any destination name

spelling mistakes that may have been in the original books.  Though I have

tried to match up the car numbers with legit car series in ORERs for the

railroads and some private owners - I have not checked all private owner

rosters to verify car numbers.

 

If you find errors and can provide corrections - please feel free to contact

me OFFLIST   -  nyc@...

 

Hope this historical information will be useful to some of you.

 

Terry Link

Bramalea, Ontario


Re: B&O Modeler -- Same as C&O Basement Sub-division

water.kresse@...
 

Folks,
I would guess it is the same problem as with the C&O Historical Society -- nobody is writing modeling articles to put in the Magazine nor the electronic Newsletter.  When a society functions on the basis of getting volunteer articles it needs AUTHORS.  Dues these days maybe cover the costs of digital layout, printing and ever soaring postage costs.  You have a few slaves doing background research and writing material for many.  For the C&O HS, I would guess two dozen or so writing for 2,400 members.  You burn out the too few trying to write articles, edit and manage a website.  Location ABC Modeler gets his/her material and runs with it to model it . . . and he or she is gone for some time span.  It is hard to cover the field when maybe five each are interested in Hawks Nest only, Sewell only, James River only, Grand Rapids, MI, area only, etc.  Modelers also pick a specific year, such 1952 or 1930 and focus in on material applicable . . . . with some modeler's fudging for maybe his/her favorite thing jjuusssttt out of the era. being there also.
 
My observation is that most of the C&O modeling discussions are shared on the CHESAPEAKEANDOHIO Yahoo website . . . . nobody is putting together electronic, illustrated "how-to-do-it" articles.  It is also the home-site for Hawks Nest Conference targeted for the modelers and get out and explore the New River rail fans.  Modelers now are also getting proto-info from the C&O History Quarterly Series of books on Tunnels, Bridges, Branch Lines, major city operations, etc.
 
Al Kresse
 

 

In part I suppose, the B&O RR HS would rather sell CD copies of the B&O Modeler e-magazine than allow the public to download them from their website.

 

But now, that web page has also been removed.


Very sad indeed. My guess is that the B&O Modeler e-magazine is not likely to be restored or issued again. Volunteers needed to edit and publish it seem absent and such requires a sizeable investment of time and work as well. It could also be that quality articles on B&O modeling are becoming quite scarce. 


Ed Bommer 

 



Re: DM&N box car with bulk loading of cement

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ray, I did as you suggested and got Jerry's email, not yours. So, Jerry
will get two copies of this one direct, one via the list. At least it's
tangentially related to some steam era freight ar.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 11:46 AM
To: STMFC@...; jdziedzic08802@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: DM&N box car with bulk loading of cement







To the list: have we lost the ability to reply directly to sender? Or am I
being the

e-dunce I often am?
Jerry Dziedzic
jdziedzic08802@...
Just hit "reply all" to make a new email, go into the address bar at the
top, delete it, go back down to the original sender's email address,
highlight it, copy, and paste into the address bar.

(I did that to your email address, and it took maybe a second and a quarter)

Hope this helps!
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


replying directly was RE: Re: DM&N box car with bulk loading of cement

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I am always a bit perplexed by this question coming up.  If you get your email only via Yahoo, I don’t know what you can do, because I don’t get it that way.  But when it comes to my Verizon address, into Outlook, the address of the sender (and sometimes the prior senders if in a thread) is displayed at the bottom of the email in a line like this:

 

Posted by: rwitt_2000     @    yahoo.com

 

I put the spaces either side of the @ in that line; it appears in the post formatted as a clickable link which opens an email in Outlook.  So IMHO it is worth it to get your list mail through some other email program.  Outlook isn’t the only option there are other email programs, however, I don’t know if there are other programs that do what Outlook does.

 

Schuyler

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 11:36 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: DM&N box car with bulk loading of cement

 

 

I believe I did it following the instructions provided by someone on the list.

 My reply has not as yet appeared to the Group and I use the first method.

Here is what I found. Did Mike ever post the instructions?

... But I think two sure ways of Off List reply will work.

One is to use the Yahoo web page and click  Reply, then the double down arrow next to the Subject, then the single down arrow at right of the To Box, and then the first choice shown there, which is the truncated posters e-mail address. You won't see the posters actual full address until and if he replies to your e-mail.  

The other choice is for the poster to include in his message his e-mail address, but substituting AT instead of @  so Yahoo will not strip it. 

 

Tom Hayden



Bob Witt


Posted by: rwitt_2000@...


Re: B&O Modeler

rwitt_2000
 

Yes, unfortunately it is true that the B&OHS has suspended the publication of the B&O Modeler.

The Board of Directors is searching for a solution.

Prior issues volumes 1 - 7 are available on CD from the B&OHS Company Store for $10 each.

Company Store

 

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: B&O Modeler

Edward
 

In part I suppose, the B&O RR HS would rather sell CD copies of the B&O Modeler e-magazine than allow the public to download them from their website.

 

A few months ago, the link to the B&O Modeler at the B&O RR HS website was removed. In the second quarter 2015 issue of  "The Sentinel," B&O RRHS Greg Smith explained the move to discontinue the B&O Modeler as volunteers for it could not be found. The B&O Modeler was an outreach effort, not supported by B&O RR HS membership dues. 


However the web page containing B&O Modeler issues was not immediately removed. Until very recently, all posted issues could be read or downloaded if one used this address:

http://borhs.org/ModelerMag/index.html 

But now, that web page has also been removed.


Very sad indeed. My guess is that the B&O Modeler e-magazine is not likely to be restored or issued again. Volunteers needed to edit and publish it seem absent and such requires a sizeable investment of time and work as well. It could also be that quality articles on B&O modeling are becoming quite scarce. 


Ed Bommer 

 


Re: DM&N box car with bulk loading of cement

Ray Breyer
 

To the list: have we lost the ability to reply directly to sender? Or am I being the
e-dunce I often am?
Jerry Dziedzic
jdziedzic08802@...


Just hit "reply all" to make a new email, go into the address bar at the top, delete it, go back down to the original sender's email address, highlight it, copy, and paste into the address bar.

(I did that to your email address, and it took maybe a second and a quarter)

Hope this helps!
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: DM&N box car with bulk loading of cement

rwitt_2000
 

I believe I did it following the instructions provided by someone on the list.

 My reply has not as yet appeared to the Group and I use the first method.

Here is what I found. Did Mike ever post the instructions?

... But I think two sure ways of Off List reply will work.

One is to use the Yahoo web page and click  Reply, then the double down arrow next to the Subject, then the single down arrow at right of the To Box, and then the first choice shown there, which is the truncated posters e-mail address. You won't see the posters actual full address until and if he replies to your e-mail.  

The other choice is for the poster to include in his message his e-mail address, but substituting AT instead of @  so Yahoo will not strip it. 

Tom Hayden


Bob Witt


B&O Modeler

eshoben@...
 

Got a message yesterday from the B&ORHS webmaster that the links to this publication have been removed because the society couldn't find anyone to run the e-zine.  So it would seem that the B&O Modeler is comatose, if not dead.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Ed Shoben



Re: DM&N box car with bulk loading of cement

Jerry Dziedzic
 

May I have a copy of the photo, Cyril?


To the list: have we lost the ability to reply directly to sender?  Or am I being the e-dunce I often am?


Jerry Dziedzic

jdziedzic08802@...


Re: Reading Boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:48 AM, johnsykesiii@... [STMFC] wrote:

One was the boxcar red with Railroad Roman "READING" on the right side
of the door.  Also, was there an earlier scheme than this?
Second was the "speed lettering" version in boxcar red with the
"READING" on the left side of the door.
Third was the reading green & yellow billboard version.
And the final was also reading green and yellow, but with the large
"RDG" on the left side of the door.
OK now.  When did each of these schemes get started?  Keep in mind
that I am a early to mid-1950's modeler (as are most of us here), so
would be looking for the schemes that would meet my era.
John,
During the 1950s, Reading's box cars were painted freight car brown.
The road-name stencils changed in 1956 from Roman-style Reading near
the side ladder to the speed lettering. An order of 400 cars built by
ACF in 1956 was actually split using both versions. Anything with green
was at the earliest 1960s & out of scope for this forum.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Reading Boxcars

John Sykes III
 

I finished the LV boxcar project and realized that I also didn't have a single Reading boxcar for my layout.  So I opened up the Reading Color Guide and noticed that there seemed to be four phases of boxcar painting on the Reading.


One was the boxcar red with Railroad Roman "READING" on the right side of the door.  Also, was there an earlier scheme than this?


Second was the "speed lettering" version in boxcar red with the "READING" on the left side of the door.


Third was the reading green & yellow billboard version.


And the final was also reading green and yellow, but with the large "RDG" on the left side of the door.


OK now.  When did each of these schemes get started?  Keep in mind that I am a early to mid-1950's modeler (as are most of us here), so would be looking for the schemes that would meet my era.


-- John

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