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Re: Hand Brake Repairs

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

I don’t know how common it was to mix and match, but I have seen photos of mismatched brake wheels and housings.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On May 27, 2015, at 11:44 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Presumably at some point in revenue service either a brake wheel or brake gear would be damaged or fail and need to be replaced. Were brake wheels and brake gear or housings interchangeable so that if it was a Miner Handbrake with a broken gear, could an Ajax Housing be substituted if a Miner was not available (especially not on an owner RR). Another way of saying this would it be correct to model a Miner Brake wheel on an Ajax or vice-versa?

Bill Welch


Hand Brake Repairs

Bill Welch
 

Presumably at some point in revenue service either a brake wheel or brake gear would be damaged or fail and need to be replaced. Were brake wheels and brake gear or housings interchangeable so that if it was a Miner Handbrake with a broken gear, could an Ajax Housing be substituted if a Miner was not available (especially not on an owner RR). Another way of saying this would it be correct to model a Miner Brake wheel on an Ajax or vice-versa?


Bill Welch


Whose LV model recently posted in Photos?

Bill Welch
 

Curious, please who posted the very nice model of the LV boxcar with one door open revealing a load of bagged material? Really well done all around.


Bill Welch


Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

Charlie Duckworth
 

Ray
Thanks for the background on these cars.  My cutoff date is 1954 so this car will be retired from the layout.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: WLE 84110 or maybe 24110. was RE: Re: completing a Richard Hendrickson freight car

Ray Breyer
 

Wrong way doors and Indestructible ends? My guess would be LV. Maybe Erie, but they were down to five double sheathed, 36' boxcars by 1945.

 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


----- Original Message -----
> From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
> To: STMFC@...
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:11 PM
> Subject: RE: WLE 84110 or maybe 24110. was RE: [STMFC] Re: completing a Richard Hendrickson freight car
>
> I've been following along on this thread and I see the other box car. The
> double sheathed box car behind the gondola sparks my interest. Here's the
> direct link to the photo on Tony's blog.
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UYAigSC9wr0/VVqLgdMMywI/AAAAAAAAJCc/OvK58iICvu4/s1
> 600/WLE%2B45153.jpg
>
> Note the interesting end, often labeled as an Indestructible End, and the
> door that opens to the left. What is difficult to determine is the car
> length. Most of you may think this is a B&O M-15 class car based upon the
> sheathing and the end, but the Erie had a number of 36-foot cars with
> similar hardware. As the Wheeling gondola still sports NEW 2-45 on the data,
> the image does not post-date the K brake ban.
>
> Does anyone have a thought or two on the wood sheathed box car in the
> background? I really wish the photographer was another foot taller here.
>
> Eric Hansmann
> El Paso, TX
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 8:09 PM
> To: STMFC@...
> Subject: WLE 84110 or maybe 24110. was RE: [STMFC] Re: completing a Richard
> Hendrickson freight car
>
> Thank you, Bob, I kind of wondered . . .
>
>
>
> So, going back to my original question . . .
>
> "But as is all too often the case, I'm distracted by the box car in the
> prototype photo, because of the end design.  It doesn't look very much like
> a "standard" dreadnaught (knowing there's not really any such
> thing) but
> more like a Hutchins end.  Do you or does any of the esteemed readers of
> this list know anything about that car?"
>
> The picture is the prototype shot in Tony's original post about completing
> one of Richard's in-process models.  You can find it here:
>
> http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/05/completing-richard-hendrickson-fre
> ight.html
>
>
>
> The car number is very fuzzy in the photo, and my subject line is a guess -
> depends on how you squint at a blown-up image of the end number.
>
>
> Schuyler
>
>
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Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

Ray Breyer
 

I'd like to decal my HO P2k Mather boxcar as a C&EI car. Are there any decals
available for this car or some that are close?
Charlie Duckworth

What year are you looking at? The C&EI got their 40' Mather boxcars at some point between 1926 and 1930, and they lasted to about 1954. In the 1920s, the C&EI didn't use the large initials on their cars; otherwise, you'll need the "thin" ones, made by Ted Culotta, Westerfield, or Champ.

These cars disappeared from the C&EI's roster shortly after 1951, so it's likely that you'll need to backdate them to K brakes and stemwinders, and may also need to add two trussrods (earlier 40' Mather cars had 'em).

Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Bulk shipment of corn

sherman4863
 

in the 50's a company used the old flour mil in Franklin, MN to grind corn cobs and shipped them by rail to either Chaska or Shakopee to be bagged for use as floor dry. sam 


Re: Bulk shipment of corn

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Corn was often stripped from ears for feed or for industrial processes. Corn on the cob would be shipping a lot of waste product if the primary interest was the kernel.  Then it would be shipped like other grains.

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On May 26, 2015, at 11:53 AM, thisisr@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Hello Group:

     My name is Richard Stallworth and I am an old member who just returned to model railroading.  Parenthood

distracted me for a long time.  Anyway I've been following the conversation about bulk commodities in the form of malt and cement.  I know wheat was shipped in boxcars, but what about corn?  Were ears of corn complete

with husk shipped in bulk in boxcars?  Thank-you.


Richard Stallworth


Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

Norm Buckhart
 

its here: http://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?Categoryid=36

but haven’t posted the C&EI 

Norm

On May 26, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


good to know Norm -- but I could not find anything but O scale on the web site


no - they are in stock.  Norm at Protocraft

On May 26, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Tim O'Connortimboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Charlie

Protocraft made an HO C&EI box car set but I think it's been discontinued.

Tim

>I'd like to decal my HO P2k Mather boxcar as a C&EI car. Are there any decals available for this car or some that are close? 
>Charlie Duckworth



Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

Tim O'Connor
 


good to know Norm -- but I could not find anything but O scale on the web site


no - they are in stock.  Norm at Protocraft

On May 26, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Charlie

Protocraft made an HO C&EI box car set but I think it's been discontinued.

Tim

>I'd like to decal my HO P2k Mather boxcar as a C&EI car. Are there any decals available for this car or some that are close?
>Charlie Duckworth


Re: Cement in bags, was RE: Malt Shipments

midrly
 

Po-ta-toes, po-tat-oes as far as I am concerned.  At least we are not trying the "throw a turnout"  ;)

Steve Lucas.


Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

Norm Buckhart
 

no - they are in stock.  Norm at Protocraft

On May 26, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Charlie

Protocraft made an HO C&EI box car set but I think it's been discontinued.

Tim

>I'd like to decal my HO P2k Mather boxcar as a C&EI car. Are there any decals available for this car or some that are close? 
>Charlie Duckworth



Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

pennsylvania1954
 

Charlie--Look at Ted's Relaunch Decal Set.

“Relaunch” Decal Set | Speedwitch Media

 



Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: WLE 84110 or maybe 24110. was RE: Re: completing a Richard Hendrickson freight car

Eric Hansmann
 

I've been following along on this thread and I see the other box car. The
double sheathed box car behind the gondola sparks my interest. Here's the
direct link to the photo on Tony's blog.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UYAigSC9wr0/VVqLgdMMywI/AAAAAAAAJCc/OvK58iICvu4/s1
600/WLE%2B45153.jpg

Note the interesting end, often labeled as an Indestructible End, and the
door that opens to the left. What is difficult to determine is the car
length. Most of you may think this is a B&O M-15 class car based upon the
sheathing and the end, but the Erie had a number of 36-foot cars with
similar hardware. As the Wheeling gondola still sports NEW 2-45 on the data,
the image does not post-date the K brake ban.

Does anyone have a thought or two on the wood sheathed box car in the
background? I really wish the photographer was another foot taller here.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 8:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: WLE 84110 or maybe 24110. was RE: [STMFC] Re: completing a Richard
Hendrickson freight car

Thank you, Bob, I kind of wondered . . .



So, going back to my original question . . .

"But as is all too often the case, I'm distracted by the box car in the
prototype photo, because of the end design. It doesn't look very much like
a "standard" dreadnaught (knowing there's not really any such thing) but
more like a Hutchins end. Do you or does any of the esteemed readers of
this list know anything about that car?"

The picture is the prototype shot in Tony's original post about completing
one of Richard's in-process models. You can find it here:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/05/completing-richard-hendrickson-fre
ight.html



The car number is very fuzzy in the photo, and my subject line is a guess -
depends on how you squint at a blown-up image of the end number.


Schuyler


Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie -- contact Ted Culotta. I think he took over printing some of the
HO scale Protocraft decals. If it's the tall skinny letters you want I think
those are what Protocraft did.

Paul
I did before my post, they only carry diesel, passenger and one caboose set. Nothing on boxcars cars.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

Charlie Duckworth
 

Paul
I did before my post, they only carry diesel, passenger and one caboose set. Nothing on boxcars cars.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: USRA single sheathed box cars flooring questions

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote :


The bulge plates and flooring clips Dennis describes are shown of the GA drawing he cites, but don't seem to have been used in production. This appears to have been another design change between the early release of GA drawings and actual production. 

Jack Mullen
==============

Ya know, my first reply on this subject suggested the gentleman contact the Pullman Library at the Illinois Railway Museum, since I know they have the General Arrangement, Steel Details, Brake Details, and other sundry drawings for the cars Haskell & Barker built, and likely another set from Pullman also.

Years ago, we used to struggle to create models from less than complete drawings, supplementing missing details with best guesses from photos, but a lot of drawings have become relatively easily available in recent years, and there is really no reason for guessing any longer.

Buy the drawings... as they used to say on Battlestar Galactica, "All will be revealed!"

Dennis Storzek


Re: USRA single sheathed box cars flooring questions

Jack Mullen
 

Jay,
The construction you describe, with flooring extending under the side sheathing,  is common for stock cars and composite gons, but I don't know of any SS boxcars built that way.  From builder's photos, most if not all of the USRA SS cars had a pressed steel angle riveted to the top of the side sill to form an attachment for flooring, and perhaps retain the sheathing as an alternative to bulge plates.  A narrow ( perhaps 1 1/2" or 2") flange extends upward outside the lowest board of the side sheathing. A wide flange extends toward the center of the car and has holes for floor bolts. See photo on p.8, RPC17.  The vertical flange along the bottom of the sheathing forms a narrow linear feature that could look like the ends of flooring in photos, but in a closeup or good hi-rez print you see that there aren't individual board ends, just a smooth strip.  Again, see  RPC17.

The bulge plates and flooring clips Dennis describes are shown of the GA drawing he cites, but don't seem to have been used in production. This appears to have been another design change between the early release of GA drawings and actual production. 

Many USRA cars did get bulge plates in later years.  A quick scan of published photos suggests that this construction was the norm for new construction by the mid-1920s.  I speculate that the USRA-type flooring angle may have been vulnerable to corrosion. Also, the need to have the bolt holes in the flooring align with pre-punched holes in the attachment angle would be a disadvantage compared to using floor clips.

Jack Mullen


Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

Paul Hillman
 

Check with the C&EI Historical Society. They have some decals.
 
 
Paul Hillman
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:45 PM
Subject: [STMFC] C&EI decals Mather decals

 

I'd like to decal my HO P2k Mather boxcar as a C&EI car. Are there any decals available for this car or some that are close?

Charlie Duckworth


Re: C&EI decals Mather decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie

Protocraft made an HO C&EI box car set but I think it's been discontinued.

Tim

I'd like to decal my HO P2k Mather boxcar as a C&EI car. Are there any decals available for this car or some that are close?
Charlie Duckworth

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