Re: B&O Modeler
RICH CHAPIN
Last B&O Modeler Issue I downloaded was 2nd Qt 2014, vol 8, #2. Was this the last??
And yes Tim, Mr. Sherman would be proud of your Wayback. Thx
Rich Chapin
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Re: B&O Modeler
Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>
I last checked the B&O Modeler site a month ago (I check all the similar sites once a month) and downloaded the TWO issues (2014-Q1 and 2014-Q2) I hadn’t got.
Shame it’s on hiatus and I hope it returns. I find all the society Modeler magazines very useful.
Regards, ________________________________________ Alan Monk London, UK
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Re: Dunnage Toolbox?
Barry Bennett
Looks to me more like a workman's toolbox that has been hung by a convenient nail to keep it from being under foot. Barry Bennett Coventry, England. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:19 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: NYC train consists
Scott H. Haycock
Thanks,Guy. Since my modeling era is more recent than Terry's documentation, I'm working backwards from the most recent (1948) consist lists. As I work backwards, I'll keep my eye out for these rule changes. Scott Haycock
Scott wrote:
"Something I've noticed as I go through these consists
is, every box car listed as "merchandise" has a 10 ton load weight. Considering
that almost all of the other box cars have a more specific description of their
lading, would it be safe to assume that these cars carry l.c.l. loads? Is the 10
ton listing just a shortcut to actually weighing these cars, as the nature of
l.c.l. would almost never approach the load limit of the car?"
The minimum weight a car could transport in LCL
service was controlled by the Office of Defense Transportation beginning
with the issuance of General Order ODT No. 1 on May 1, 1942. Between
May 1 and July 1, 1942, the minimum was specified as 6 tons. From July 1
to September 1, 1942, the minimum was increased to 8 tons. From September
1, 1942, the minimum was increased to 10 tons continuing (as such)
thru the duration of the ODT.
Exceptions to the provisions of GO ODT No. 1 were issued
as General Permits. The exceptions included; cars loaded
with merchandise consigned to the Military (7 ton minimum), Westbound
reefers returning to specific states (5 ton minimum), and box cars routed
towards grain producing territories (5 ton minimum).
There are examples of these exceptions within Terry's
consists as well as cars carrying less tonnage prior to the May 1,
1942 Order.
Regards,
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Re: NYC train consists
Guy Wilber
Scott wrote:
"Something I've noticed as I go through these consists
is, every box car listed as "merchandise" has a 10 ton load weight. Considering
that almost all of the other box cars have a more specific description of their
lading, would it be safe to assume that these cars carry l.c.l. loads? Is the 10
ton listing just a shortcut to actually weighing these cars, as the nature of
l.c.l. would almost never approach the load limit of the car?"
The minimum weight a car could transport in LCL
service was controlled by the Office of Defense Transportation beginning
with the issuance of General Order ODT No. 1 on May 1, 1942. Between
May 1 and July 1, 1942, the minimum was specified as 6 tons. From July 1
to September 1, 1942, the minimum was increased to 8 tons. From September
1, 1942, the minimum was increased to 10 tons continuing (as such)
thru the duration of the ODT.
Exceptions to the provisions of GO ODT No. 1 were issued
as General Permits. The exceptions included; cars loaded
with merchandise consigned to the Military (7 ton minimum), Westbound
reefers returning to specific states (5 ton minimum), and box cars routed
towards grain producing territories (5 ton minimum).
There are examples of these exceptions within Terry's
consists as well as cars carrying less tonnage prior to the May 1,
1942 Order.
Regards,
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Griffin Wheel Co.
Don Strack
While compiling some history about the Griffin Wheel iron wheel plant in Salt Lake City (1927-1960), I was able to borrow a copy of the book "Griffin Wheel Company, The First Hundred Years, 1877-1977" by way of interlibrary loan. Its a nice book, and includes a milestone timeline of the development of the iron railroad wheel, and Griffin's development of the cast steel railroad wheel that replaced the iron type. I have created a web page to capture the history of the Salt Lake City plant, and the plain text of the book itself, which includes numerous photos. The book is a generic corporate history, with lots of white space and modern graphic design. It is printed on rough-finish cream-colored paper, so the photos do not scan very well, but I was able to capture the text, which is very good reading. I leave it to someone who knows much more about railroad wheels to make comments about the accuracy of the book's text, and Griffin's place in the history of railroad wheels. http://www.utahrails.net/industries/griffin-wheel.php Don Strack |
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Re: Southern Boxcar Herald Laments
Bill Welch
Speedwitch does a comprehensive set of Southern decals that includes the Aluminum version of the Southern herald.
Bill Welch
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Re: Southern Boxcar Herald Laments
Tony Thompson
Garth Groff wrote:
Garth, I touched on this in my column in _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ for March 2015, which included a prewar and a postwar Southern box car. The herald changed very noticeably, as you say, in 1945. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Dunnage Toolbox?
thecitrusbelt@...
This is link to an undated photo from the Los Angeles Public Library digital archives:
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics28/00063554.jpg
It shows a worker top icing head lettuce in a refrigerator car. To the right, hanging on the wall, appears to be a tool box. Would this have been a common item used to secure dunnage and the lining in the refrigerator car?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Kadee ACF 11,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car
Jason C
Thought this would have caught someones attention by now. Jason Cook New Haven, IN |
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Southern Boxcar Herald Laments
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Friends,
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I picked up copy of Jim Kincaid's SOUTHERN RAILWAY COLOR GUIDE at the Virginia Museum of Transportation this morning. I went to Roanoke to see the Y-6a which is on loan from St. Louis. Impressive. Very hard to photograph with their narrow grounds. Rods all missing. But back to the book. I was pleased to see that there were a number of 1950s-era cars shown. On thing stood out right away to me. The herald on 10048 built in 1938 and photographed in 1945 (page [33]) is quite different from the others. The slogan "The Southern serves the South" is of a large style and nearly fills the entire space between the two rings. The slogans on 22423 on the same page, 27000 (page [34]) and 30579 (page [35]) are in much smaller style and do not fill the rings. 30579 was built in 1951/52 and appears in original paint. 27000 was repainted circa 1958. Another car, 330219, a 1946-built car shown in 1953 also has the smaller lettering. I just checked my dwindling stock of Champ decals, and all that I have of the large size are the older type shown on 10048 measure 5' across. I do have one pair of a 4' herald with the smaller slogan, maker unknown. I have a pair of unbuilt 50' P2K auto cars, both with a "New 1944" date. One has a 4' 3" herald with the smaller lettering. The second has a 5' herald with the slogan filling the ring, but lettering style doesn't look like 10048. Oh, poop! Where can I get the more modern herald decals? When did the heralds change? And how large (always 5'?) were these on boxcars ? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe I shouldn't have bought the book. But then the prototype police would eventually have noticed. But now I know the 50' PS-1 I lettered up a few years ago is WRONG! Yours Aye, Garth Groff On 7/17/15 11:21 PM, Tim O'Connor
timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
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Re: B&O Modeler
rwitt_2000
The last one to work for me is Feb 17, 2013.
This link will get you the last issues published except for a single one done in 2014. On the left side of the web page in "Magazine Footnotes" frame is a link to the last updated version of the "B&O Modeler Index", which has nine (9) pages. Between the first link, Feb 20, 2006, and last link, Feb 17, 2013, it looks like one can access all the B&O Modelers from vol. 3 through vol. 7. I hope this helps. Bob Witt P. S. A big THANK YOU to Tim O' for reminding us about the "WAYBACK machine". |
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Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
Dave Nelson
There are two different Westvaco’s out there. One is (was?) the West Virginia Pulp & Paper Company. The other is the Westvaco mine in Wyoming, eventually owned by FMC. The covered hoppers under discussion were for the later business.
Perhaps this is one of those rare cases where the specified markets were so different an identical name was allowed to be Trademarked.
Dave Nelson
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:35 AM To: Steam Era Frt Car Group Subject: Re: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
Would these cars be present at the Westvaco Paper Pulp Mills in Virginia? Al Kresse
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Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
Ed Hawkins
On Jul 20, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Sorry for a typo and extra message, but to correct the error the Kimberly Clark photo is SHPX 25448. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
water.kresse@...
Would these cars be present at the Westvaco Paper Pulp Mills in Virginia?
Al Kresse
From: "Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:15:57 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:48 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Bob,
I covered all of these cars in RP CYC Volume 27. Per the caption on page 92, SHPX 25472 was one of 45 cars in series 25433-25477 built in 1948 and leased to the Kimberly-Clark Corporation (photo of SHPX 24448 shown as an example).
Westvaco Chemical Division leased SHPX 25478-25480, 3 cars built 9-50 painted black with white stencils per the photo of SHPX 25478 shown on page 93. It should be noted these cars were of a different roof/hatch arrangement with Murphy twin-panel welded roofs and equally-spaced square hatches. So the Bowser model has a correct paint scheme on a car of a different roof/hatch configuration.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
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Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
Ed Hawkins
On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:48 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Bob, I covered all of these cars in RP CYC Volume 27. Per the caption on page 92, SHPX 25472 was one of 45 cars in series 25433-25477 built in 1948 and leased to the Kimberly-Clark Corporation (photo of SHPX 24448 shown as an example). Westvaco Chemical Division leased SHPX 25478-25480, 3 cars built 9-50 painted black with white stencils per the photo of SHPX 25478 shown on page 93. It should be noted these cars were of a different roof/hatch arrangement with Murphy twin-panel welded roofs and equally-spaced square hatches. So the Bowser model has a correct paint scheme on a car of a different roof/hatch configuration. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: Super Glue
thetrainman00@...
I was in need of more "super glue" and I remebered this posting. I did purchse some of the gel and was very much impreesed by it. I have to agrre with you it has become my "new" favorite glue for all my model building.
Happy Model Railroading, J.E. Krapf
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Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
Allen Montgomery <sandbear75@...>
I finally found a proto photo of their cars in a UP book. Of course it was an engine shot, so you can only see two thirds of the hopper in the back ground(no reporting marks). It too was grey. There was a Westvaco plant was 25 miles west of Green River,Wyoming. My Grandfather was the manager of the Tri-state lumber yard in Green River from the late 40's through the 50's. Dad used to help make deliveries of lumber all over southwestern Wyoming when not in school. He distinctly remembers delivering some of the first truckloads of lumber to Westvaco around 1952. Before that there wasn't much out there. He says that most of their production went to the midwest for automobile glass, as is still the case today. So if you can track down the glass manufacturers for Ford, there's your destination. Allen Montgomery Wyoming Division Historical Society On Monday, July 20, 2015 10:19 AM, "'Paul Koehler' koehlers@... [STMFC]" wrote: Bob:
I recall seeing many “Westvaco” covered
hoppers in LA but they were grey not black.
Paul C.
Koehler
From: STMFC@... [mailto: STMFC@... ]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:49 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton
covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of
the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX
25472.
Here is a link to a model photo:
The Westvaco Chemical Corporation
became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced
chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides
and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona
(used to make glass and other products).
My questions are:
Thank you.
Bob
Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: B&O Modeler
hayden_tom@...
Ed, Try clicking on the Feb 20, 2006 link. That worked for me,
Tom Hayden
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Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
Tony Thompson
Paul Koehler wrote:
Didn't InterMountain offer their square-hatch car in gray with the Westvaco decoration? Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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