I guess that is one way to add more ventilation to an SAL ventilated car.

BTW, two ahead of the Intercolonial car is a Hocking Valley box car.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

Intercolonial Railway was one of the predecessors to CN.

Dennis Storzek

Pemco made a 53-foot flatcar with riveted fishbelly sides and 16 stake pockets. The thin portion of the sides above the trucks extends a bit further inboard than most designs. Does this car have a prototype? Trying to add some flatcar variety to a friend's layout.

Here's a page with pictures of the model:

http://tycotrain.tripod.com/pemcorailwaysystem/id8.html

Scott Chatfield

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http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/ussteel/results/item.do?itemId=/nw/cra/ussteel/CRA-42-110-112

Ever heard of Intercolonial Canada"?

Elden Gatwood

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Group,Has anyone ever heard of Dauphin trucks?  Are any photos available?  I get the impression that they may be for heavy duty service.  To clarify, they are two-axle trucks.  The earliest Helium tank cars (3 large tanks) rode on such trucks.  -Jeff Ford
Sanger, TX

And that is not the truck I was thinking of either.... Dang, if I were better at trucks I would know what it is.

 

Greg Martin

 

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

 

In a message dated 7/1/2015 9:43:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

Rich,

 

Yes, I found a photo of the Elsey Trucks on an X38 #73863. Interesting truck as well. I am in the process of bashing a Life Like car to create the correct X38, it is a lot of work.

 

Greg Martin

 

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

 

In a message dated 7/1/2015 8:50:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

Here's is a link to the US Steel Collection at IU-Northwest Library to a picture of as built N-13 hoppers seemingly on their first revenue run from the Kentucky coal fields. Most of the N-13 were built between 1916 and 1917.

U.S. Steel Photograph Collection -- Coke Plant. 1st Car of Coal from Corp.'s New Mine in Kentucky

 

The dimensions of the B&O's previous class N-12s and the N-13s were very similar with the main difference being the N-13 was a foot longer (IL). For modeling you may consider starting with a F&C N-12 kit, but you would have to remove the entire interior. A cheaper option would be to start with a USRA model also removing the interior, scratch building a new interior with covered hopper bays and modifying the end sills and changing the slope sheet rivets.

This was a restored N-13 in the B&O Museum Collection, but currently it is not listed on their site.

here's one from the B&O Yahoo Group. I hope the link works, but you may have to be a member.

Baltimore and Ohio Railroad List

Bob Witt

Greg,

Are you thinking these are Elsey trucks PRR class 2DF17?  They were applied to 75 X38.

Rich Orr

Tim,

 

I can't recall the truck name but I have seen it before. I was thinking on  PRR X38 but I haven't came up with the photo.

 

Okay did anyone notice the ten rung ladders?

 

Greg Martin  

 

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

 

I

John Golden asked:

Second is B&O 630120. The car appears to be stenciled N-35 with a few letters after the numbers. At first glance this car appears to be a former USRA hopper but upon further review I don't think it was. The car has with replacement discharge pockets/outlets, a peaked roof, side ladders (not grabs), four loading hatches on each side of the roof, a protruding end sill, and Andrews trucks as identifying features.

This covered hopper is a class N-25b consisting of 74 cars rebuilt in 1936 from former N-13 open-top hoppers and placed in series 630104 to 630177 The B&O needed additional covered hoppers in the 1930s and had already rebuilt numerous N-13 into covered hoppers placed in class N-25 and N-25a. The first two classes used the original slope sheets, but for the class N-25b the interiors were totally rebuilt to the specifications used for the typical "cement" covered hopper.  This class can be spotted in photos by noticing a second line of rivets defining the steeper slope sheet angle

The original N-13 were somewhat unique hoppers that had longitudinal bays dumping to the outside of the rails and steeper slope sheets suitable for coke loading. A total of 9,000 were built and ~3,000 served on the Sandy Valley & Elkhorn, the isolated B&O coal line in eastern Kentucky.

Note the additional lettering may designate that the car is in company sand service, but this is speculation.

This is a start as much more can be written about these cars and why they were built.

Regards,

Bob Witt

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Hi,

Let's not forget that you also need to consider the on layout
industries ...

If your layout has an oil field that is still shipping crude by rail -
that location is going to receive/ship differently marked tank
cars and tank car types than if all of the layout industries are
"oil dealers" or "Hercules Powder".
The number of cars moved on the layout to/from those
industries should "reflect" believable traffic demands/levels -
including cars that are coming in from/going out to staging.

Thru train tank car traffic is "specific to the region and era"
you are trying to represent and will be seen coming from and
going to staging without making a trip to an on layout industry.

Unless, of course, you are modeling a branchline in which
case there wouldn't be any "thru traffic" (not only for tank
cars but for all car types) ... and the car types for a branchline
would correlate very closely with the "demands" (needs) of
the industries served "on layout". But even then there
would/could be the occasional "substitution" of one car
type for another. Or the "experimental" car type that is
just being introduced to the industry for the era your
layout represents ... such as a mix of both box cars (grain
doors and markings) and early covered hoppers to an on
layout grain mill.
But it is unlikely that an "auto box" would be used in
grain service ... or a "general service tank" in corn syrup
service. *G*.

Finally - it only takes a little bit of research to establish
which service type cars (tanks and others) would have
been "likely" in the ERA you are modeling. For example,
in the paragraph above I mentioned corn syrup tanks ...
which have a very specific "era" component to their
existence.
- Jim B.

The 1940 Car Builders' Cyclopedia, page 1126 illustrates this truck.  Yes, a "Buckeye all-service freight truck".

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

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Tim;

I am having a brain freeze on which truck was which, but PRR also made use of this truck on a limited number of X37B (I am currently researching). I believe this is the "Buckeye All-Service", or class 2D-F24. I can't read the lettering on the sideframe, but if you are interested, I can send you a scan of the PRR car with these on it.

Elden Gatwood

Tim,

 

I can't recall the truck name but I have seen it before. I was thinking on  PRR X38 but I haven't came up with the photo.

 

Okay did anyone notice the ten rung ladders?

 

Greg Martin  

 

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

 

In a message dated 6/30/2015 7:42:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes: