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Dunnage Toolbox?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This is link to an undated photo from the Los Angeles Public Library digital archives:

 

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics28/00063554.jpg

 

It shows a worker top icing head lettuce in a refrigerator car. To the right, hanging on the wall, appears to be a tool box. Would this have been a common item used to secure dunnage and the lining in the refrigerator car?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Kadee ACF 11,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car

Jason C
 

Thought this would have caught someones attention by now.





Jason Cook
New Haven, IN
Southern Boxcar Herald Laments

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I picked up copy of Jim Kincaid's SOUTHERN RAILWAY COLOR GUIDE at the Virginia Museum of Transportation this morning. I went to Roanoke to see the Y-6a which is on loan from St. Louis. Impressive. Very hard to photograph with their narrow grounds. Rods all missing. But back to the book. I was pleased to see that there were a number of 1950s-era cars shown.

On thing stood out right away to me. The herald on 10048 built in 1938 and photographed in 1945 (page [33]) is quite different from the others. The slogan "The Southern serves the South" is of a large style and nearly fills the entire space between the two rings. The slogans on 22423 on the same page, 27000 (page [34]) and 30579 (page [35]) are in much smaller style and do not fill the rings. 30579 was built in 1951/52 and appears in original paint. 27000 was repainted circa 1958. Another car, 330219, a 1946-built car shown in 1953 also has the smaller lettering.

I just checked my dwindling stock of Champ decals, and all that I have of the large size are the older type shown on 10048 measure 5' across. I do have one pair of a 4' herald with the smaller slogan, maker unknown.

I have a pair of unbuilt 50' P2K auto cars, both with a "New 1944" date. One has a 4' 3" herald with the smaller lettering. The second has a 5' herald with the slogan filling the ring, but lettering style doesn't look like 10048. Oh, poop!

Where can I get the more modern herald decals? When did the heralds change? And how large (always 5'?) were these on boxcars ? Inquiring minds want to know.

Maybe I shouldn't have bought the book. But then the prototype police would eventually have noticed. But now I know the 50' PS-1 I lettered up a few years ago is WRONG!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/17/15 11:21 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Garth Groff wrote

   Do you know if Erie 87000-87499 built in 1957 by GATC had unpainted galvanized roofs?
   And the running boards? Ed Hawkins' July 1999 RMJ general article on the late 40' boxcars
   offered no paint information on this series.


Photos appear to show unpainted galvanized roofs with painted seam caps.
The ends were black, and the portion of the running board that overhangs
the end appears to have received black paint but the rest of the rb looks
unpainted (on a lateral rb seen from below)

Tim O'Connor
Re: B&O Modeler

rwitt_2000
 

The last one to work for me is Feb 17, 2013.

This link will get you the last issues published except for a single one done in 2014.

On the left side of the web page in "Magazine Footnotes" frame is a link to the last updated version of the "B&O Modeler Index", which has nine (9) pages.

Between the first link, Feb 20, 2006, and last link, Feb 17, 2013, it looks like one can access all the B&O Modelers from vol. 3 through vol. 7.

I hope this helps.

Bob Witt

P. S. A big THANK YOU to Tim O' for reminding us about the "WAYBACK machine".
Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Dave Nelson
 

There are two different Westvaco’s out there.  One is (was?) the West Virginia Pulp & Paper Company.  The other is the Westvaco mine in Wyoming, eventually owned by FMC.  The covered hoppers under discussion were for the later business.

 

Perhaps this is one of those rare cases where the specified markets were so different an identical name was allowed to be Trademarked.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:35 AM
To: Steam Era Frt Car Group
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

 




Would these cars be present at the Westvaco Paper Pulp Mills in Virginia?

Al Kresse

 
Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jul 20, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I covered all of these cars in RP CYC Volume 27. Per the caption on page 92, SHPX 25472 was one of 45 cars in series 25433-25477 built in 1948 and leased to the Kimberly-Clark Corporation (photo of SHPX 24448 shown as an example). 

Bob,
Sorry for a typo and extra message, but to correct the error the Kimberly Clark photo is SHPX 25448.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

water.kresse@...
 

Would these cars be present at the Westvaco Paper Pulp Mills in Virginia?
Al Kresse

From: "Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:15:57 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

 


On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:48 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.
Here is a link to a model photo:

                    

 

The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).

Bob,
I covered all of these cars in RP CYC Volume 27. Per the caption on page 92, SHPX 25472 was one of 45 cars in series 25433-25477 built in 1948 and leased to the Kimberly-Clark Corporation (photo of SHPX 24448 shown as an example). 

Westvaco Chemical Division leased SHPX 25478-25480, 3 cars built 9-50 painted black with white stencils per the photo of SHPX 25478 shown on page 93. It should be noted these cars were of a different roof/hatch arrangement with Murphy twin-panel welded roofs and equally-spaced square hatches. So the Bowser model has a correct paint scheme on a car of a different roof/hatch configuration. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:48 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.
Here is a link to a model photo:

                    

 

The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).

Bob,
I covered all of these cars in RP CYC Volume 27. Per the caption on page 92, SHPX 25472 was one of 45 cars in series 25433-25477 built in 1948 and leased to the Kimberly-Clark Corporation (photo of SHPX 24448 shown as an example). 

Westvaco Chemical Division leased SHPX 25478-25480, 3 cars built 9-50 painted black with white stencils per the photo of SHPX 25478 shown on page 93. It should be noted these cars were of a different roof/hatch arrangement with Murphy twin-panel welded roofs and equally-spaced square hatches. So the Bowser model has a correct paint scheme on a car of a different roof/hatch configuration. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: Super Glue

thetrainman00@...
 

I was in need of more "super glue" and I remebered this posting.  I did purchse some of the gel and was very much impreesed by it.  I have to agrre with you it has become my "new" favorite glue for all my model building.

Happy Model Railroading,
J.E. Krapf
Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Allen Montgomery <sandbear75@...>
 

I finally found a proto photo of their cars in a UP book. Of course it was an engine shot, so you can only see two thirds of the hopper in the back ground(no reporting marks). It too was grey.
There was a Westvaco plant was 25 miles west of Green River,Wyoming. My Grandfather was the manager of the Tri-state lumber yard in Green River from the late 40's through the 50's. Dad used to help make deliveries of lumber all over southwestern Wyoming when not in school. He distinctly remembers delivering some of the first truckloads of lumber to Westvaco around 1952. Before that there wasn't much out there. He says that most of their production went to the midwest for automobile glass, as is still the case today. So if you can track down the glass manufacturers for Ford, there's your destination.
Allen Montgomery
Wyoming Division Historical Society



On Monday, July 20, 2015 10:19 AM, "'Paul Koehler' koehlers@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob:
 
I recall seeing many “Westvaco” covered hoppers in LA but they were grey not black.
 
Paul C. Koehler
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto: STMFC@... ]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:49 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
 
 
In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.
 
Here is a link to a model photo:
                       
 
The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).
 
My questions are:
 
  1. Did Westvaco have prototype covered hoppers such as the model?
  2. Where would the prototype cars have been seen?
 
Thank you.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Re: B&O Modeler

hayden_tom@...
 

Ed,   Try clicking on the Feb 20, 2006 link.   That worked for me,

Tom Hayden 
Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Koehler wrote:

 
I recall seeing many “Westvaco” covered hoppers in LA but they were grey not black.


      Didn't InterMountain offer their square-hatch car in gray with the Westvaco decoration?

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Paul Koehler
 

Bob:

 

I recall seeing many “Westvaco” covered hoppers in LA but they were grey not black.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:49 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

 

 

In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.

 

Here is a link to a model photo:

                       

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BOW-55821-25472-2.jpg

 

The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).

 

My questions are:

 

  1. Did Westvaco have prototype covered hoppers such as the model?
  2. Where would the prototype cars have been seen?

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: B&O Modeler

mwbauers
 

Thank you for posting this link.

It worked very well for me once I explored the earlier dates of the archive.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jul 20, 2015, at 6:14 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Never fear folks -- the WAYBACK machine can get you the issues you missed.

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.borhs.org/modelermag/index.html


………..
Re: Stock car identity sought

Richard Townsend
 

I agree. Thanks to both of you.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2015 9:07 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Stock car identity sought

 


Doug I think you nailed it -- the UP S-40-14

>Richard, that sounds like a UP stockcar. I have a photo of UP 48975 with a 4/5 end, 12 slats made of a metal channel, the angle braces and the truss as you describe. The car was built in 1952.
>
>Doug Harding
Re: B&O Modeler

Edward
 

I tried that link.

The Web Crawler notice there last visited the B&O Modeler page on Feb 3 2015.

Clicking on that date leads to a page not found notice.


I also had an article submitted to the B&O Modeler in July 2012. It was about building an O scale model of B&O diner 1035.  The article materials became lost and in December 2014 I was asked I could replace them, which I did. This article was to appear in a later 2015 issue. 


Mention of this diner was made in the last issue of the B&O Modeler, as it had been seen at a prototype modelers meet at Malvern PA.


I was asked if I built it, (I did) but an incorrect class designation was given for it. I was advised this error would be corrected when my article about the model was to appear.


Ed Bommer
Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

thecitrusbelt@...
 

In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.

 

Here is a link to a model photo:

                       

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BOW-55821-25472-2.jpg

 

The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).

 

My questions are:

 

  1. Did Westvaco have prototype covered hoppers such as the model?
  2. Where would the prototype cars have been seen?

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Stock car identity sought

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug I think you nailed it -- the UP S-40-14

Richard, that sounds like a UP stockcar. I have a photo of UP 48975 with a 4/5 end, 12 slats made of a metal channel, the angle braces and the truss as you describe. The car was built in 1952.

Doug Harding
Re: NYC train consists

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote :

I suppose another way of looking at it is this:  were the meaning of the car initials matched someplace by a the same name on a locomotive? If yes, don’t consolidate them with their parent roadname; If no, think about the specific issues for a while.

 

Dave Nelson

=============


The best source for determination of this might be the ORER. In any given issue, each road's listing will state in the header, "Cars of this company are marked..." and will list all the reporting marks then in use by that road. This automatically adjusts for fallen flags, as the road will continue to list the old mark as long as they still have cars that have not been re-lettered.


Dennis Storzek
Re: B&O Modeler

Tim O'Connor
 

Never fear folks -- the WAYBACK machine can get you the issues you missed.

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.borhs.org/modelermag/index.html


Tim O'Connor
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