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Re: Sheet lead

Andy Harman
 

Sheet lead is easier to get in Califonia than in Ohio.  It's not used for roofing around here.  I got mine from McMaster-Carr direct.

Sent from my little plastic pop tart

On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Paul Catapano wrote:

 

Re: source for sheet lead

Did anyone suggest roofers, or rain gutter installers? If you are in California forget it. Almost anywhere else though.


     Both professional plumbing shops AND roofers supply stores DO sell sheet lead in California. I just verified that with some phone calls.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: Sheet lead sources

riverman_vt@...
 

    McMaster-Carr the "perfect and easy source"????  Ted, do you not have a Lowe's or Home Depot 
or building supply store near you? Why pay a high price and shipping as well if you don't have to?

Cordially, Don Valentine
Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Gene Semon <mopac1@...>
 

Scott,  thanks for the information.

 

Gene

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

 




Gene,

I happen to have a set of the DE-1001 ends (I'm keeping them ), and while they seem to be the right size (width and height) to graft onto the Atlas model, the ribs and darts don't wrap around the corner like the ends on the M.I. car shown in the photo on page 154 of Ted Culotta's book. 

 

Scott Haycock

 

 

Details West part DE-1001. 4-4 Dreadnaught End  (Round Corner 1940-1950). This part is no longer in stock but can be found at swap meets and sometimes in the junk bins at model train shops.

 

Al Smith

Sonora CA

 

 

 

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:50 AM, "'Gene Semon' mopac1@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Does anyone made the 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners that apparently was unique the Missouri Illinois 1932 ARA Boxcars which could be used on the Atlas model?

 

Gene Semon

 

 

 
Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Allan Smith
 

Gene:

I have an extra package of part DE-1001. If you will contact me of list I will make arrangements to get it to you.

Al Smith Sonora CA



On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:50 AM, "'Gene Semon' mopac1@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Does anyone made the 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners that apparently was unique the Missouri Illinois 1932 ARA Boxcars which could be used on the Atlas model?
 
Gene Semon
Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Tim O'Connor
 

I am actually surprised that someone said these fit 1932 box cars
because they were made to fit the Athearn 40 foot ice reefer bodies.
I checked my Sunshine M-I 1932 kit (which has S-corner ends by the way)
and the ends are definitely taller than the DW/Athearn reefer ends.

Tim O'Connor

I have 3 sets of the Details West DE-1001 4-4 dreadnaught ends that are excess to my needs and am willing to sell.
Bill Adam
Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Bill Adam
 

I have 3 sets of the Details West DE-1001 4-4 dreadnaught ends that are excess to my needs and am willing to sell.
Bill Adam
Pearland, TX
Re: Sheet lead sources

asychis@...
 

In Amarillo Home Depot and Lowe's carry lead in the form of roof vent flashing.  Jerry Michels
Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Scott H. Haycock
 

Gene,
I happen to have a set of the DE-1001 ends (I'm keeping them ), and while they seem to be the right size (width and height) to graft onto the Atlas model, the ribs and darts don't wrap around the corner like the ends on the M.I. car shown in the photo on page 154 of Ted Culotta's book. 

Scott Haycock

 

Details West part DE-1001. 4-4 Dreadnaught End  (Round Corner 1940-1950). This part is no longer in stock but can be found at swap meets and sometimes in the junk bins at model train shops.

Al Smith
Sonora CA



On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:50 AM, "'Gene Semon' mopac1@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Does anyone made the 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners that apparently was unique the Missouri Illinois 1932 ARA Boxcars which could be used on the Atlas model?
 
Gene Semon
Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Tim O'Connor
 

I checked my usual "go to" web site for out of production parts but the
Details West #1001 part is not there, sadly. http://www.procustomhobbies.com/

Still, one might be able to find it at a hobby shop that has been in business
for at least 20 years ... (Are there any of those left?)

Tim O'Connor

Or the Details West 4/4 Dreadnaught end.
Bill Welch
Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Bill Welch
 

Or the Details West 4/4 Dreadnaught end.

Bill Welch
Re: Semet-Solvay Pilot Model Build-Yarmouth

Bill Welch
 

Going on memory as I do not Vol. 3 of RP CYC in front of me but these cars were built circa 1940-41.

Bill Welch
Re: **OOPS** 70-Ton Trucks

Tim O'Connor
 


I apologize -- I was mistaken -- gray matter deterioration. :-(

I was thinking of the old Stewart (now Bowser) ASF A-3 truck that was
tooled for their 70 ton open hoppers !! The Intermountain truck is indeed
a Barber spring-plank 70 ton truck with ride control wedges !! And it
comes with the 70 ton flat cars and ACF 1958 cuft covered hopper kits.

Many, many years ago I bought about 50 pairs of the Stewarts and split
the order with a few people on STMFC or the old FCL I forget which. At
that time you couldn't buy them separately so I got them direct -- at full
retail too. (Stewart took no prisoners.)

It's a little bit squashed looking but not too bad -- I was looking at the
much newer IRC truck and thought I was looking at an ASF A-3 -- Yes I'm
tellin' ya the old gray matter ain't what it used to be.

Tim O'Connor



My mistake on misreading the trucks in Richard's PDF.
On a hunch, I looked at an Intermountain 70t flat car I have, and its trucks match the photo in Richard's PDF of the truck in question. Maybe the trucks can be sourced from that car?  
Scott Haycock

 
May I offer one more comment?

The IMRC 70-ton, while having a spring plank, has wedge ride stabilizers visible in the bolster ends. Though superficially an ASF trait, it lacks the large, pronounced lower spring support which some call the "Ubangy lip". Perhaps it is a Barber truck???????
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Re: Sheet lead

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Catapano wrote:

 

Re: source for sheet lead

Did anyone suggest roofers, or rain gutter installers? If you are in California forget it. Almost anywhere else though.


     Both professional plumbing shops AND roofers supply stores DO sell sheet lead in California. I just verified that with some phone calls.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: Decals and metal doors for DA GS gons

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

The "floor" of a Detail Associates gondola is a frame -- into that frame go the individual doors. If you try to "hide" lead sheet under the floor the doors will not fit properly.


     True. I should not have said "floor," but "underside of the car," which was the location I have used for weight.

Also any weight placed under the floor/doors or into the center sill will obscure the highly detailed underbody.


       I disagree, and will be happy to send you photos from the side of my DA gondola. The weight INSIDE the center sill is only visible when the car is inverted (which is a view, as Richard H. used to say, I hope to avoid through competent trackwork). The weight under the doors on my cars is ONLY over the trucks, not in the car center. In that location, it can be seen if you know where to look (and know the model appearance without that weight), but I would submit it is not at all obvious.

Which begs the question -- WHY build a Detail Associates gondola if all you want is to turn it into the less detailed Red Caboose gondola??? 


       Two answers: (a) it's a better detailed car, and (b) I built mine cars before there WAS a Red Caboose car. But anyone who has a DA car, and wishes it to be other than a "display case queen" has to figure out how to weight it. My way is pretty invisible and yields a heavier car than the white-metal doors. I have resisted the glued-in load solution.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
D&RGW drop bottom gons - Red Caboose

Ted Waterhouse
 

Got a message re. the D&RGW "Flying Rio Grande" scheme on drop-bottom gons and accidentally deleted it before I could answer. I Wanted to say thanks for the detailed info. Actually, it was the Red Caboose model in that paint scheme I was wondering about. I'm hoping to complete the DA kits as SP cars (if only I can find decals) as I'm aiming to model SP's Jawbone branch in 1953. I've seen photos including D&RGW drop-bottoms on that line however and Andy Carlson had offered a couple of the Red Caboose RTR cars in that scheme. Do you know anything about the accuracy of these models vis-a-vis D&RGW classes? Thanks, Ted Waterhouse
Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Allan Smith
 

Details West part DE-1001. 4-4 Dreadnaught End  (Round Corner 1940-1950). This part is no longer in stock but can be found at swap meets and sometimes in the junk bins at model train shops.

Al Smith
Sonora CA



On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:50 AM, "'Gene Semon' mopac1@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Does anyone made the 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners that apparently was unique the Missouri Illinois 1932 ARA Boxcars which could be used on the Atlas model?
 
Gene Semon
Sheet lead

Paul Catapano
 

Re: source for sheet lead

Did anyone suggest roofers, or rain gutter installers? If you are in California forget it. Almost anywhere else though.


Paul Catapano
Winchester, Va.
Re: Sheet lead sources

Ted Waterhouse
 

Yeah, McMaster-Carr looks like a perfect and easy source - assuming they'll sell me a 6"x6" piece with no minimum order - will pursue it. Many thanks, Ted Waterhouse
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On Tue, 6/16/15, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sheet lead sources
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 10:41 AM


 









Actually, the answer to this question is the source
of EVERYTHING in the world except gifts for the missus;
McMaster Carr Co.  They stock sheet lead in
multiple thickness, pre-cut in various sheet sizes from
6" x 6" to 48" x 48", and it will come
in a plain brown wrapper so your neighbors won't know
you are poluting the planet. :-)

Lets see if a direct link works:

McMaster-Carr



McMaster-Carr
McMaster-Carr
supplies products used to maintain manufacturing plants and
large commercial facilities worldwide.




View on www.mcmaster.com


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Re: 70-Ton Trucks for F&C 50-Ft Steel Mill Gon-HELP

Scott H. Haycock
 

My mistake on misreading the trucks in Richard's PDF.

On a hunch, I looked at an Intermountain 70t flat car I have, and its trucks match the photo in Richard's PDF of the truck in question.

Maybe the trucks can be sourced from that car?   

Scott Haycock

 

May I offer one more comment?

The IMRC 70-ton, while having a spring plank, has wedge ride stabilizers visible in the bolster ends. Though superficially an ASF trait, it lacks the large, pronounced lower spring support which some call the "Ubangy lip". Perhaps it is a Barber truck???????
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Re: 70-Ton Trucks for F&C 50-Ft Steel Mill Gon-HELP

Tim O'Connor
 


Andy, you're being too kind. I think it's just a butt-ugly ASF A-3. Not unlike
the ancient Athearn plain bearing ASF A-3, which is actually better executed,
come to think of it. You know the one, it's found in millions of blue box kits. :-)

Tim O'



May I offer one more comment?

The IMRC 70-ton, while having a spring plank, has wedge ride stabilizers visible in the bolster ends. Though superficially an ASF trait, it lacks the large, pronounced lower spring support which some call the "Ubangy lip". Perhaps it is a Barber truck???????
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: "Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC]"

 
Scott:

There are two IM trucks at the op of p. 10 of Richard's file.  The 40061 is a 50-t AAR plankless truck that is part of the larger group on the bottom of page 9.

The "mystery" truck under discussion is the next truck shown (70-t, planked), for which there is no part number given.

64161 - 64180 of 198723