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Re: Micro scale jumps into the rivet market

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Group

While I do not see much use for printed rivets on steam era freight cars, I do believe that there might be a use for these on background models — think structures — some distance from the right of way. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Apr 17, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Hubert Mask maskisland@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


You tell them Charlie.

Hubert


To: STMFC@...
From: STMFC@...
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 13:50:46 -0500
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Micro scale jumps into the rivet market

 

It looks like they are rendered ala’ J. Harold Geisel classic railroad drawings in 2D with presumably Black or other color line art.  

Not an advancement over Archer or MicroMark IMHO and I don’t really see much application for flat crescent “rivets”.

Charlie Vlk

I'll probably try them -- certainly I'm happy to see them entering this
market -- but the rivet patterns they chose seem a bit odd/unusual to me.

http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/871498_zoom.jpg


>Just received the MIcroscale Newsletter in my email and they are 
>announcing 1/87 scale rivets.
>
>I don't know if they will be as well rendered as the Archer rivets, but 
>they are about half the price.





Re: Micro scale jumps into the rivet market

hubert mask
 

You tell them Charlie.

Hubert


To: STMFC@...
From: STMFC@...
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 13:50:46 -0500
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Micro scale jumps into the rivet market

 

It looks like they are rendered ala’ J. Harold Geisel classic railroad drawings in 2D with presumably Black or other color line art. 

Not an advancement over Archer or MicroMark IMHO and I don’t really see much application for flat crescent “rivets”.

Charlie Vlk

I'll probably try them -- certainly I'm happy to see them entering this
market -- but the rivet patterns they chose seem a bit odd/unusual to me.

http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/871498_zoom.jpg


>Just received the MIcroscale Newsletter in my email and they are
>announcing 1/87 scale rivets.
>
>I don't know if they will be as well rendered as the Archer rivets, but
>they are about half the price.



Re: Micro scale jumps into the rivet market

Tim O'Connor
 

Agreed. Decal rivets seem like a rather idiotic idea, IMO. I had just
assumed they would be 3D not 2D...

It looks like they are rendered ala� J. Harold Geisel classic railroad drawings in 2D with presumably Black or other color line art.

Not an advancement over Archer or MicroMark IMHO and I don�t really see much application for flat crescent �rivets�.

Charlie Vlk


Re: Micro scale jumps into the rivet market

Charlie Vlk
 

It looks like they are rendered ala’ J. Harold Geisel classic railroad drawings in 2D with presumably Black or other color line art. 

Not an advancement over Archer or MicroMark IMHO and I don’t really see much application for flat crescent “rivets”.

Charlie Vlk

I'll probably try them -- certainly I'm happy to see them entering this
market -- but the rivet patterns they chose seem a bit odd/unusual to me.

http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/871498_zoom.jpg


>Just received the MIcroscale Newsletter in my email and they are
>announcing 1/87 scale rivets.
>
>I don't know if they will be as well rendered as the Archer rivets, but
>they are about half the price.


Can you help with a presentation on PRR box cars and modeling? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Folks;

I would really appreciate your help in my prep of a presentation on PRR box cars (1919-1968), and modeling!

I would love to show your work, in the "and here's how to model this class" segment, so if you could share a photo or two of your PRR box car models, I'd really appreciate it (and of course, put your name to it).

If you also have any good photos of the prototype you could share, especially in-service or unusual sub-classes.

Consider it over the weekend, and let me know if you could help.

Bruce Smith and Tom Haag, I know you have some great ones....

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: NYC 28000 Series Stock Car.

Benjamin Hom
 

Walt Cox wrote:
"I believe the Despatch shops were located in East Rochester, not East Syracuse."

You are correct. (The dangers of answering posts before the first cup of coffee in the morning.) Apologies for the confusion.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC 28000 Series Stock Car.

WaltGCox@...
 

 
  I believe the Despatch shops were located in East Rochester,  not East Syracuse.
Walt. 

Dave North asked:
"Q2) Stenciling above LH stirrup is the Builders Trade Plate
It looks like it says –
Rebuilt by
D.S. NYC
East XXXXXXX
Does this make sense?
If so, does anyone know where the Dispatch Shops were located?"

It's Despatch Shops (not "i") in East Syracuse
 


Re: Removing Intermountain 70 ton covered hopper lettering

Craig Zeni
 

On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:22 AM, STMFC@... wrote:

6. Removing Intermountain 70 ton covered hopper lettering
Posted by: "gary laakso" vasa0vasa@... ky123le
Date: Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:12 pm ((PDT))

I have two Great Northern Intermountain covered hoppers in the GN 71000-71099 series that I want to back date and that requires both running board and selected lettering removal. Is an eraser from a pencil the most effective way to remove selected lettering and a herald?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
A trick I picked up off a Facebook group; worked a treat on some Intermountain FTs that I renumbered:

I cut a piece of paper towel to cover the offending lettering. Soak with MicroSol (red label). Keep the paper towel on the lettering and keep it wet for 20 minutes, maybe more. You might see the lettering start to wrinkle. Using a very stiff bristle brush, 'chisel' the lettering off. Won't hurt the base paint. Sounds weird but it works great.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: InterMountain AT&SF stockcar weight

asychis@...
 

Jerry Michels wrote:

"And also a additional $10 or so?"

Hey, you asked for a solution.

Ben Hom
 
No, actually, I originally asked how to get to the inside of the car.  VBG!  Jerry Michels 


Re: NYC 28000 Series Stock Car.

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave North asked:
"Q2) Stenciling above LH stirrup is the Builders Trade Plate
It looks like it says –
Rebuilt by
D.S. NYC
East XXXXXXX
Does this make sense?
If so, does anyone know where the Dispatch Shops were located?"

It's Despatch Shops (not "i") in East Syracuse.




Q4) 757-8 is the Lot Number, so I assume it doesn’t change for this series of cars.

NOT "757-8", but "757-S".  See my previous post.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC 28000 Series Stock Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave North asked:
"While on the subject of stock car, I’m chasing some information on the NYC 28000 series stock cars. This link is to a pdf with a pic of a 28000 series car 16 photos down the page." 
https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/the-nyc-oval.pdf

1)      What type of metal roofwalk were these cars fitted with?"

It doesn't appear to be metal.  It looks like a wood RUNNING BOARD. 

 
"2)      What does the stenciling above the LH stirrup say?
3)      What does the stenciling above the RH truck say?"

The stenciling above the left SILLL STEP is illegible.  The stenciling above the right sill step appears to be repack data.




"757-8 is stenciled above the NYC herald.
 
4)      Would that number be the same on all 28000 series or vary from car to car?
If the latter, any idea of alternate numbers (ie, how the number changed)?"

This is the Lot Number for this series of cars (NYC 28000-28499); however, it's NOT "757-8", but "757-S".  It's always three digits followed by a dash and letter for car type (S = stock car, B = boxcar, H = hopper, G = gondola, F = flatcar, R = reefer).  It's the same number for all of the car in the series.  However, NYC often acquired the same design cars under different lot numbers, but in this case, this is the only lot of these stock cars.

This is the prototype for the AHM stock car.  See William Sharpe's "Kitbashing NYC Double-deck Stock Cars" in the March 1997 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.


Ben Hom


NYC 28000 Series Stock Car.

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

I may have been a bit quick with my questions.

Further down the PDF on P16 is a lettering diagram.

 

Q1) I still need to know the style of running board (apologies for calling it a roof walk previously)

 

Q2) Stenciling above LH stirrup is the Builders Trade Plate

It looks like it says –

Rebuilt by

D.S. NYC

East XXXXXXX

Does this make sense?

If so, does anyone know where the Dispatch Shops were located?

 

Q3) Stenciling above RH truck is Journal Box Packing

But I still have no idea what the three lines say.

 

Q4) 757-8 is the Lot Number, so I assume it doesn’t change for this series of cars.

 

Q5) Unfortunately, the stencil diagram doesn’t have an end view of the stockcar – just the hopper and gon.

So I still need help here.

 

Cheers

Dave North

 


NYC 28000 Series Stock Car

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

While on the subject of stock car, I’m chasing some information on the NYC 28000 series stock cars.

 

1)      What type of metal roofwalk were these cars fitted with?

 

This link is to a pdf with a pic of a 28000 series car 16 photos down the page.

https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/the-nyc-oval.pdf

 

2)      What does the stenciling above the LH stirrup say?

3)      What does the stenciling above the RH truck say?

 

757-8 is stenciled above the NYC herald.

 

4)      Would that number be the same on all 28000 series or vary from car to car?

If the latter, any idea of alternate numbers (ie, how the number changed)?

 

The photo on Page 109 of the 1953 Car Builders Cyclopedia shows another ¾ view of 28000.

5)      What do the two lines of stenciling above the coupler say?

 

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Cheers

Dave North

 


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Box Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"Were the Wabash cars [WAB 82000-82512] the same as the DT&I (later Ann Arbor) cars?"
https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/16664407609/

Some of the Wabash cars went to Ann Arbor; however, they were NOT ex-DT&I.

The DT&I had unique USRA DS rebuilds (DT&I 11500-11799), 9' IH cars with 5/5/5 Murphy Ends, 8 Panel Sides, 6 ft Youngstown door, and a 15 carline Cambre steel roof. These cars were long lived, with some rebuilt with plug doors and leased to private owners post-1960.


Ben Hom
 


Removing Intermountain 70 ton covered hopper lettering

gary laakso
 

I have two Great Northern Intermountain covered hoppers in the GN 71000-71099 series that I want to back date and that requires both running board and  selected lettering removal.  Is an eraser from a pencil the most effective way to remove selected lettering and a herald? 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: InterMountain AT&SF stockcar weight

Eric Hansmann
 

It's always good to run rolling stock through a checking station before they go into service. A friend here had a problem with Atlas cabooses and one Peco track switch. He checked everything  on the switch but it was fine as per the NMRA gauge. No other cars or locos derailed there. I asked if he checked the caboose wheel set gauge. He felt he didn't have to as they were RTR. We spent 20 minutes regauging the wheels on all of his cabooses as they were all a tad narrow. He hasn't had any problems since.
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 
 

> On April 16, 2015 at 5:42 PM "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
>
>
> Jerry Michels wrote:
> "So I wonder why over half of the cars I have run so poorly, I mean they even see a turnout coming and they derail."
> There are more factors in play than car weight. Are your wheelsets in gauge? Is your track in gauge? Trucks too tight? Too loose? Snagging on underbody details? Coupler height correct? Coupler pins snagging on crossings and switches? Sounds like you need to take a hard look at these items.
>
>
> Ben Hom


Re: InterMountain AT&SF stockcar weight

mopacfirst
 

Just like IM Santa Fe reefers that were shipped with the wrong roof.  Fortunately I had a correct one.

Ron Merrick


Re: InterMountain AT&SF stockcar weight

rob.mclear3@...
 

Sorry to disagree but I have removed the roofs of these cars to install weight.   They can be taken off if careful by using the tip of a flat bladed hobby knife to open the roof a bit and then sliding your thumbnail around the edge to remove it.   The glue used is not that grippy for want of a better word.

Rob McLear
Australia.


Re: NMRA weight (was InterMountain AT&SF stockcar weight)

riverman_vt@...
 

   Like you, Tim, I have had little trouble with underweight cars even on a folded dogbone pike with cars moving in every direction when a 55 car freight was run. It is largely an issue of track maintenance. I doubt anyone with halfway reasonable track would have anything different for an experience. Having felt for over forty years that NMRA standards called for too much weight I rarely weigh a 40 ft. car to more than 3 oz. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: InterMountain AT&SF stockcar weight

Benjamin Hom
 

Jerry Michels wrote:
"So I wonder why over half of the cars I have run so poorly, I mean they even see a turnout coming and they derail."
There are more factors in play than car weight. Are your wheelsets in gauge? Is your track in gauge? Trucks too tight? Too loose? Snagging on underbody details? Coupler height correct? Coupler pins snagging on crossings and switches? Sounds like you need to take a hard look at these items.


Ben Hom