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Re: PRR 559786
John Barry
A positive example of "You Break It, You Own It!" John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696
On Thursday, September 2, 2021, 10:07:34 PM EDT, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:
Apparently that's what the C&S thought. According to the AFE, "with an additional outlay [beyond what was paid to the PRR for the depreciated value of the car] of $99.00 for decking, side stake pockets, and the application of same, we can have a 38'6" 100M capacity, all-steel flat car that will be of a great of service to us . . ."
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Thu, Sep 2, 2021 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR 559786 Hello,
A Pressed Steel fishbelly underframe would make a good flat car. Ted Schnepf On Thursday, September 2, 2021, 08:06:59 PM CDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:
Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964
Rich Christie
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Re: PRR 559786
Richard Townsend
Apparently that's what the C&S thought. According to the AFE, "with an additional outlay [beyond what was paid to the PRR for the depreciated value of the car] of $99.00 for decking, side stake pockets, and the application of same, we can have a 38'6" 100M capacity, all-steel flat car that will be of a great of service to us . . ." Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Thu, Sep 2, 2021 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR 559786 Hello,
A Pressed Steel fishbelly underframe would make a good flat car. Ted Schnepf On Thursday, September 2, 2021, 08:06:59 PM CDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:
Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964
Rich Christie
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Re: PRR 559786
robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
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From: "Rich C via groups.io" <rhcdmc@...> Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964You might wish to view: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=LinesWestDiagrams_225.gif&sel=box&sz=sm&fr= for a diagram of class XLc -- Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob
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Re: PRR 559786
Ted Schnepf
Hello, A Pressed Steel fishbelly underframe would make a good flat car. Ted Schnepf
On Thursday, September 2, 2021, 08:06:59 PM CDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote: Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964 Rich Christie
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Re: PRR 559786
Rich C
Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964 Rich Christie
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PRR 559786
Richard Townsend
PRR boxcar 559786 was wrecked on the Colorado & Southern on February 19, 1926. What class of boxcar was it?
The C&S turned the wreckage into a flat car.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work
Dick Indeed! I have used it with a brush to hide scratches from sanding or from a chisel blade. Multiple layers can be applied if the first layer doesn't do the job. Tim O'Connor
On 9/1/2021 9:33 PM, Dick Harley via groups.io wrote:
I have never airbrushed Future, and I see no reason to take the time to do that. I apply it where I intend to decal with a Q-tip, and then throw it away, i.e. no clean-up time or trouble. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Builder’s Photo - Ralston Steel Car Company Morris Meat Reefer
Builder’s Photo - Ralston Steel Car Company Morris Meat Reefer Link from the from the Columbus Railroads.com website: MRL 7174 (Morris) Meat Reefer Bob Chaparro Moderator Railway Bull Shippers Group
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Re: Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint
Nelson
Thanks for the detailed reply. -- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work
Dick Harley
I just apply Future to the general area where the decal will be. Whatever you use to top-coat the decal (gloss, semi-gloss, flat) will be much thicker than the Future and will give a uniform finish. The decal is more than 5 times thicker than the Future. See photos of models at : https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work
Bill Keene
On Sep 1, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Dick Harley via groups.io <dick.harley4up@...> wrote:Question… When you apply the Future let’s say to a tender for a centrally located locomotive number decal on a semi-gloss painted finish … do you apply the Future to just the area of the decal or to the entire tender side surface? My concern is about the possibility of the gloss area not blending when the tender receives a final semi-gloss finish. Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work
Dick Harley
I have never airbrushed Future, and I see no reason to take the time to do that. I apply it where I intend to decal with a Q-tip, and then throw it away, i.e. no clean-up time or trouble.
That stuff is so thin when dry that you can make a wet puddle with it on a flat surface, and it will be totally smooth with no discernible thickness when dry. Marvelous stuff. It can be dissolved and removed with household ammonia, if needed. Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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Re: Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint
Nelson Moyer
BREX cars are reefers painted according to FGE, WFE,BRE consortium standards. CB&Q boxcar paint standards are entirely different.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:52 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint
[Edited Message Follows] This BREX diagram from the late 1930's may help.
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Re: Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint
Nelson Moyer
According to the information I’ve accumulated, the CB&Q used pigments ground from a mineral mined in Wyoming. While it may be apocryphal, legend says that the pigment was measured into paint base ‘by the number of handfuls’. These factors mean that there would be batch to batch variation and drift over time. Having said that, color chips are on file at the Mercantile Museum in St. Louis, and Ed Hawkins made them available to Tru Color for development of Tru Color CB&Q Freight Car Red. That’s the best representation of CB&Q freight car color available, at least for new paint. The Q paint oxidized toward chromate, and in extreme old age, it was sort of orange-red, evidenced by the attached photos taken at the Illinois Railway Museum and the Colorado Railroad Museum.
When I built 24 CB&Q stock cars, I used five custom Tru Color mixes of CB&Q Freight Car Red plus various amounts of Burnt Iron and Oxide Brown to vary the paint colors. You could also use Tru Color Iron Oxide and Rust in custom mixes if you want to age the paint even more. I model 1953, and the Q maintained equipment very well in that era, so what you see in color photos from the 70s on isn’t representative of earlier times. What you see in 1950s color photos has Kodachrome effect, so reds are emphasized.
As I’ve stated before, I paint for new paint or sometimes slightly faded paint, then weather according to age of paint, type of car usage, and geographical exposures, so I usually just use Tru Color CB&Q Freight Car Red and weather from there.
Another color issue is the difference in weathering of wood cars vs. steel cars. There would be a fairly even mix of wood and steel in the late 1930.
The Q painted all car surfaces, including trucks the same freight car red.
I attached one of my XM-23 cars. It’s painted with Tru Color and Dullcote, but no weathering yet.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:16 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint
I’m finishing up a Westerfield CB&Q XM-23 Modernized version with the ‘Everywhere West’ script across the door. Excellent model, with PE parts and extra small parts for those of us building over a gray rug. This is my first one piece body kit from Andrew and it’s impressive. I’ve acquired several bottles of Tru-Color freight car colors and many were used to paint just one model so I’d like to find something close to what the Burlington used on the freight cars in the late 1930’s. Was their freight cars a brown or red ‘boxcar color’? Also what were the Burlington’s paint standards was the carbody a solid color and the underframe black? Appreciate any feedback.
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Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint
I’m finishing up a Westerfield CB&Q XM-23 Modernized version with the ‘Everywhere West’ script across the door. Excellent model, with PE parts and extra small parts for those of us building over a gray rug. This is my first one piece body kit from Andrew and it’s impressive. I’ve acquired several bottles of Tru-Color freight car colors and many were used to paint just one model so I’d like to find something close to what the Burlington used on the freight cars in the late 1930’s. Was their freight cars a brown or red ‘boxcar color’? Also what were the Burlington’s paint standards was the carbody a solid color and the underframe black? Appreciate any feedback.
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Re: Help with truck identification
Benjamin Hom
Matthew Hurst wrote: "They are a PRR design 2D-F8. The car these are under, reused a former PRR R7 reefer." No. While the underframe is repurposed from a Class R7 reefer, the trucks in question lack the characteristic droop sideframe of the 2D-F8 / ARA Type Y truck. Ben Hom
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FOR THE MEMBER WANTING ATSF TANK CAR PHOTOS
WILLIAM PARDIE
  These are not prototype phoitos but may help. Bill Pardie
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Re: Help with truck identification
Thanks to all who replied. Much appreciated
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Fenton
On Sep 1, 2021, at 8:55 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: Help with truck identification
Crown trucks are another type of pedestal truck - the journal box is not part of the sideframe.
On 8/31/2021 7:05 PM, James Brewer wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Help with truck identification
Matthew Hurst
They are a PRR design 2D-F8. The car these are under, reused a former PRR R7 reefer.
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The trucks you are looking for are what Red Caboose put with the X29 kits Matthew Hurst PRRT&HS #6799 PRRT&HS modeling committee
On Aug 31, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
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