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Re: PRR 559786

John Barry
 

A positive example of "You Break It, You Own It!"

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Thursday, September 2, 2021, 10:07:34 PM EDT, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


Apparently that's what the C&S thought. According to the AFE, "with an additional outlay [beyond what was paid to the PRR for the depreciated value of the car] of $99.00 for decking, side stake pockets, and the application of same, we can have a 38'6" 100M capacity, all-steel flat car that will be of a great of service to us . . ."

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Sep 2, 2021 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR 559786

Hello,

A Pressed Steel fishbelly underframe would make a good flat car.

Ted Schnepf
On Thursday, September 2, 2021, 08:06:59 PM CDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964

Rich Christie


Re: PRR 559786

Richard Townsend
 

Apparently that's what the C&S thought. According to the AFE, "with an additional outlay [beyond what was paid to the PRR for the depreciated value of the car] of $99.00 for decking, side stake pockets, and the application of same, we can have a 38'6" 100M capacity, all-steel flat car that will be of a great of service to us . . ."

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Sep 2, 2021 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR 559786

Hello,

A Pressed Steel fishbelly underframe would make a good flat car.

Ted Schnepf
On Thursday, September 2, 2021, 08:06:59 PM CDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964

Rich Christie


Re: PRR 559786

robert netzlof <rtnetzlof@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich C via groups.io" <rhcdmc@...>

Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964
You might wish to view: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=LinesWestDiagrams_225.gif&sel=box&sz=sm&fr=

for a diagram of class XLc

--
Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob


Re: PRR 559786

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

A Pressed Steel fishbelly underframe would make a good flat car.

Ted Schnepf

On Thursday, September 2, 2021, 08:06:59 PM CDT, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964

Rich Christie


Re: PRR 559786

Rich C
 

Richard, According to the 1926 ORER, it is an XLc, an autocar series 559943-559964

Rich Christie


PRR 559786

Richard Townsend
 

PRR boxcar 559786 was wrecked on the Colorado & Southern on February 19, 1926. What class of boxcar was it? 

The C&S turned the wreckage into a flat car.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Tim O'Connor
 

Dick

Indeed! I have used it with a brush to hide scratches from sanding or from a chisel blade. Multiple
layers can be applied if the first layer doesn't do the job.

Tim O'Connor


On 9/1/2021 9:33 PM, Dick Harley via groups.io wrote:
I have never airbrushed Future, and I see no reason to take the time to do that.  I apply it where I intend to decal with a Q-tip, and then throw it away, i.e. no clean-up time or trouble.

That stuff is so thin when dry that you can make a wet puddle with it on a flat surface, and it will be totally smooth with no discernible thickness when dry.
Marvelous stuff.

It can be dissolved and removed with household ammonia, if needed.

Dick Harley

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Builder’s Photo - Ralston Steel Car Company Morris Meat Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

Builder’s Photo - Ralston Steel Car Company Morris Meat Reefer

Link from the from the Columbus Railroads.com website:

MRL 7174 (Morris) Meat Reefer

http://columbusrailroads.com/new/utility/display.php?file=..%2Fimages%2Fphotos-ralston-frt-cars%2Frscc-319-ps-1400.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Re: Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint

Charlie Duckworth
 

Nelson
Thanks for the detailed reply. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Dick Harley
 


I just apply Future to the general area where the decal will be.  Whatever you use to top-coat the decal (gloss, semi-gloss, flat) will be much thicker than the Future and will give a uniform finish.  The decal is more than 5 times thicker than the Future.

See photos of models at :
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels

Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Bill Keene
 

On Sep 1, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Dick Harley via groups.io <dick.harley4up@...> wrote:

I have never airbrushed Future, and I see no reason to take the time to do that. I apply it where I intend to decal with a Q-tip, and then throw it away, i.e. no clean-up time or trouble.
Question…
When you apply the Future let’s say to a tender for a centrally located locomotive number decal on a semi-gloss painted finish … do you apply the Future to just the area of the decal or to the entire tender side surface?

My concern is about the possibility of the gloss area not blending when the tender receives a final semi-gloss finish.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: Current form of Future Floor Wax Suitable for Decal Work

Dick Harley
 

I have never airbrushed Future, and I see no reason to take the time to do that.  I apply it where I intend to decal with a Q-tip, and then throw it away, i.e. no clean-up time or trouble.

That stuff is so thin when dry that you can make a wet puddle with it on a flat surface, and it will be totally smooth with no discernible thickness when dry.
Marvelous stuff.

It can be dissolved and removed with household ammonia, if needed.

Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA


Re: Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint

Nelson Moyer
 

BREX cars are reefers painted according to FGE, WFE,BRE consortium standards. CB&Q boxcar paint standards are entirely different.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint

 

[Edited Message Follows]

This BREX diagram from the late 1930's may help.
Colors are called out in a NOTE: box in the lower left area of the drawing.
It will help to enlarge it to see the notations more clearly.

Ed Bommer


Re: Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint

Nelson Moyer
 

According to the information I’ve accumulated, the CB&Q used pigments ground from a mineral mined in Wyoming. While it may be apocryphal, legend says that the pigment was measured into paint base ‘by the number of handfuls’. These factors mean that there would be batch to batch variation and drift over time. Having said that, color chips are on file at the Mercantile Museum in St. Louis, and Ed Hawkins made them available to Tru Color for development of Tru Color CB&Q Freight Car Red. That’s the best representation of CB&Q freight car color available, at least for new paint. The Q paint oxidized toward chromate, and in extreme old age, it was sort of orange-red, evidenced by the attached photos taken at the Illinois Railway Museum and the Colorado Railroad Museum.

 

When I built 24 CB&Q stock cars, I used five custom Tru Color mixes of CB&Q Freight Car Red plus various amounts of Burnt Iron and Oxide Brown to vary the paint colors. You could also use Tru Color Iron Oxide and Rust in custom mixes if you want to age the paint even more. I model 1953, and the Q maintained equipment very well in that era, so what you see in color photos from the 70s on isn’t representative of earlier times. What you see in 1950s color photos has Kodachrome effect, so reds are emphasized.

 

As I’ve stated before, I paint for new paint or sometimes slightly faded paint, then weather according to age of paint, type of car usage, and geographical exposures, so I usually just use Tru Color CB&Q Freight Car Red and weather from there.

 

Another color issue is the difference in weathering of wood cars vs. steel cars. There would be a fairly even mix of wood and steel in the late 1930.

 

The Q painted all car surfaces, including trucks the same freight car red.

 

I attached one of my XM-23 cars. It’s painted with Tru Color and Dullcote, but no weathering yet.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint

 

I’m finishing up a Westerfield CB&Q XM-23 Modernized version with the ‘Everywhere West’ script across the door.  Excellent model, with PE parts and extra small parts for those of us building over a gray rug.  This is my first one piece body kit from Andrew and it’s impressive.  

I’ve acquired several bottles of Tru-Color freight car colors and many were used to paint just one model so I’d like to find something close to what the Burlington used on the freight cars in the late 1930’s.  Was their freight cars a brown or red ‘boxcar color’?  Also what were the Burlington’s paint standards was the carbody a solid color and the underframe black?  

Appreciate any feedback. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Color question on CB&Q XM-23 circa 1939 paint

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’m finishing up a Westerfield CB&Q XM-23 Modernized version with the ‘Everywhere West’ script across the door.  Excellent model, with PE parts and extra small parts for those of us building over a gray rug.  This is my first one piece body kit from Andrew and it’s impressive.  

I’ve acquired several bottles of Tru-Color freight car colors and many were used to paint just one model so I’d like to find something close to what the Burlington used on the freight cars in the late 1930’s.  Was their freight cars a brown or red ‘boxcar color’?  Also what were the Burlington’s paint standards was the carbody a solid color and the underframe black?  

Appreciate any feedback. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Help with truck identification

Benjamin Hom
 

Matthew Hurst wrote:
"They are a PRR design 2D-F8. The car these are under, reused a former PRR R7 reefer."

No.  While the underframe is repurposed from a Class R7 reefer, the trucks in question lack the characteristic droop sideframe of the 2D-F8 / ARA Type Y truck.


Ben Hom




FOR THE MEMBER WANTING ATSF TANK CAR PHOTOS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 







These are not prototype phoitos but may help.

Bill Pardie



Re: Help with truck identification

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks to all who replied. Much appreciated 
Fenton 


On Sep 1, 2021, at 8:55 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Crown trucks are another type of pedestal truck - the journal box is not part of the sideframe.


On 8/31/2021 7:05 PM, James Brewer wrote:
Could they be a variation of a Crown truck?  I've attached a photo of a Bowser Crown truck for comparison; I know they would not have the "bars" from the frame to the journal boxes.

Jim Brewer

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Help with truck identification

Tim O'Connor
 


Crown trucks are another type of pedestal truck - the journal box is not part of the sideframe.


On 8/31/2021 7:05 PM, James Brewer wrote:
Could they be a variation of a Crown truck?  I've attached a photo of a Bowser Crown truck for comparison; I know they would not have the "bars" from the frame to the journal boxes.

Jim Brewer

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Help with truck identification

Matthew Hurst
 

They are a PRR design 2D-F8. The car these are under, reused a former PRR R7 reefer.  

The trucks you are looking for are what Red Caboose put with the X29 kits

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799
PRRT&HS modeling committee 


On Aug 31, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


 Nelson Moyer wrote:

They’re a variant of Andrews trucks, I don’t know is there is an exact match, but I would use Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks.

I think you are misinterpreting the edges of the brake shoes, Nelson. These aren’t Andrews.

Tony Thompson


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