Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitc...
Greg Martin
All five of my Grandson's have trains and I have made sure of that. Tim and
I belong to a Facebook group that would send the "old man's hobby" stats
in the round file as we are definitely the minority if you are say old is
50+.
I am sick of this hobby doom and is getting real old.
If you want a hobby shop support him. Don't spend all your money on
the Internet.
If you want to do the Internet thing, if a good shop on line...
If you like kits because you like to model don't buy ready to run.
If you don't want to buy Ready to Run vote with your dollars.
It is that simple... No more whining, please!
Can we move on now please?
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through
it. Norman Maclean In a message dated 3/21/2015 6:58:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Re: If things are so bad why. . .
Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Tim wondered:
I watched a Netflix documentary today on 3-D printing, and I wondered -- Who will produce the first 3-D copier? I mean, you just put the car (or 1:1 part) into the copier and out pops a perfect scale copy! :-) It's a whole new world. It is already being done Tim. A friend has a 3D scanner which will output code to drive a CNC machine. Newer scanners will output a file which can be 3D printed. I doubt that the resolution is what we need but all of this technology is changing fast. How about figures on your layout which replicate yourself and friends: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2836838/worlds-first-3d-full-body-scann ing-booth-to-create-custom-you-figurines.html Jack Burgess
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Re: If things are so bad why. . .
Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Tim wondered:
I watched a Netflix documentary today on 3-D printing, and I wondered -- Who will produce the first 3-D copier? I mean, you just put the car (or 1:1 part) into the copier and out pops a perfect scale copy! :-) It's a whole new world. It is already being done Tim. A friend has a 3D scanner which will output code to drive a CNC machine. Newer scanners will output a file which can be 3D printed. I doubt that the resolution is what we need but all of this technology is changing fast. How about figures on your layout which replicate yourself and friends: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2836838/worlds-first-3d-full-body-scann ing-booth-to-create-custom-you-figurines.html
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Re: Random Thoughts ...
MDelvec952
I am curious which of the injected steam-era freight cars may have sold a million units over its lifetime, as was suggested in a previous note in this thread.
....Mike Del Vecchio
-----Original Message----- From: riverman_vt@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Sun, Mar 22, 2015 12:43 am Subject: [STMFC] Re: Random Thoughts ... Now you have me curious, Tim. It is possible that a resin car kit or two have
sold 500 units but which do you think these might have been and what evidence
of such
do we have?
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Hobby Shops in the Nashville, TN area
T.J. Stratton
Are there any "must visit" model railroad friendly hobby shops in the Nashville, TN area?
Thanks- TJ TJ Stratton Maumee, OH. "Modeling the 1950's branch lines of the Michigan Central Railroad in southern Michigan" Mailto:michigancentralrr@...
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
david ellzey
The tinplate train set was the humble beginning of this hobby. Am I correct on this assumption? I believe one reason kids wanted trains was the larger roles that railroads played in the communities at that time. Another reason is the fascination of seeing a miniature train snake through trackwork and realistic scenery, this certainly still holds true today! It offers something for just about every one with an interest in railroads or history. David From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
But the trains under the Christmas tree that kids played with are NOT the hobby, not now and not then. Of course it may get kids intrigued, but the hobby we are talking about is, one might say, entirely different. Most people join it decades later than the Christmas tree experience. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Mark Drake <markstation01@...>
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Re: paper models (was Re: Random Thoughts ...)
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Tim,
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Clever Models has an HO or O-scale Clyde Puffer paper model: http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/ . Admittedly, this is a European design, but the superstructure could easily be reworked to something more American. This is a print-it-yourself kit. Another print-it-yourself kit from Scalescenes makes several narrowboats in N or OO (which can be rescaled for HO): http://scalescenes.com/products/T018-Narrowboats-and-lock . These aren't quite as a adaptable to the US scene as the Puffer, but are interesting models. Yours Aye, Garth Groff On 3/21/15 11:11 PM, Tim O'Connor
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
I've seen lots of youth railroad model videos on YouTube (even one weathering freight cars that fit this list) and someone contacted me from my rail history website asking for proto info to design freight cars virtually. Modeling with a computer takes different skills than modeling with resin, but no less interesting or rewarding. Perhaps it may only be an old man's hobby if your looking for a kid like Opie Taylor or Dennis the Menace instead of Bart Simpson or Sheldon Cooper? Could it be the hobby may be bigger and faster growing without you seeing it? Sent from Dave Bott's iPad
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Re: paper models (was Re: Random Thoughts ...)
Mike
There's some really cool stuff there -- I'm a real believer in paper for building structures and I see from this web site there are SHIP MODELS too! Paper is ideal IMO for a lot of applications like this for layouts because it is cheap, light, and static -- i.e. it doesn't have to move around on wheels or be handled. It's just there to serve as a backdrop for TRAINS. :-) Tim O'Connor I was afraid I'd scare too many with that one. Its very complex. But it sure shows how complex curved surfaces can be done in materials one wouldn't expect to work. Best to ya, Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi There's a GG1` paper kit as well. http://cp.c-ij.com/en/contents/2027/gg1/index.html Scott Haycock
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
David
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And people are living longer. And the world as a whole is becoming much wealthier, with lots more leisure and hobby spending. These are macro trends, as is the decline of unskilled or low-skill manufacturing jobs, automation, etc. I read somewhere that 80% of the children born in the USA after 2000 will reach their 100th birthday! And railroads are enjoying a revival in much of the world and have pretty much stopped contracting in North America. So I think you are right, this is a great, fun hobby and will continue to be as long as our civilization lasts. :-) Tim O'Connor
I remember steam on mainline railroads (yep, I'm a dinosaur), that's why most of us in our 60's
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
mwbauers
I was afraid I'd scare too many with that one. Its very complex.
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But it sure shows how complex curved surfaces can be done in materials one wouldn't expect to work. Best to ya, Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
mwbauers
I slipped on a word............
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Here is what it was meant to be.... " Maybe I'm too optimistic about the pre-decorated aspect. But look at carbon3d.com and see how the newest 3d printers make prints in six-minutes that other makes take over ELEVEN hours to make. " That's going to change things on us ........... Imagine when you can buy one of those machines in five years or so as a home-tool, as the prices drop to that of the cheap 3d printers of today. Best to ya, Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
Scott H. Haycock
There's a GG1` paper kit as well. http://cp.c-ij.com/en/contents/2027/gg1/index.html Scott Haycock Here..... try something different.... download and consider building this per the plans and study how you could make a more conventional RR model from it..... Or some just as modern, but less complicated to build... Best to ya, Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
mwbauers
In the day, model trains were the analog of todays personal computers.
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Let's put it this way...... In Europe and Japan model railroading is still a vibrant hobby of both the old and the young. We have fallen into a rut in our ways of doing the hobby. We can just as easily refresh it as we update it. We can put new life into it without sticking with just the old ways of doing the hobby. Our hobby is so much more than just opening the box and putting model RR equipment on the track. We can't let it be thought of being just that. Here..... try something different.... download and consider building this per the plans and study how you could make a more conventional RR model from it..... Or some just as modern, but less complicated to build... Best to ya, Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
mwbauers
Actually, I am listening.
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I had been separating brick and mortar sales from Internet sales................. With an eye on those that now only buy from hobby swap meets because retail and discount sales are costly for them. Let me offer a narrow example.... About 9-months ago you could buy the power trucks from the Bachmann trolley-doodlebug line for $12-$15. The price had been around that for some years by then. As of last week, they are now $30-$35 in sub-assemblies instead of the lower priced complete assembly of the last few years. As for the increasing numbers of RTR freight cars, is it a good sign that they are topping $60-$70 for some and are only available in small quantity runs that are soon sold out? Are they better than the premium kits selling for $15-$19 a few years ago? I can dig up specific examples for this. But you know that in general, this is, as it is. Well, this can be debated forever. Lets just agree that many people can no longer afford the hobby and it's compounded by restricted runs increasing the rarity of individual models. Thus a great many potential model railroaders will never even enter the hobby, as it now stands. Or rather as it is presented to them, being of hard to find and relatively expensive commercial models [ use the Internet or you'll miss out]............ Order in advance of production, or wait some years for the next run, and do pre-order to get it then. Yet......... new makers offering small runs of models in limited distribution is not quite as positive as you think. Give it about three years and a lot of offerings will be in highly detailed, mostly pre-decorated 3d printings from even more new sources using the new much faster 3d printers that are just arriving......... Maybe I'm too optimistic about the pre-decorated aspect. But look at carbon3d.com and see how the newest 3d printers make prints in six-minutes that other makes take over an hour to make. Then consider what a small maker can do with a bunch of those machines running at once. I'll bet this hobby will have a tidal wave of new offerings five years from now. I'm pessimistic about the state of the hobby today and very enthused about what it will be in the near future as the new tools and processes go on-line. Now lets see if we can finally get this nation going again and get the under-30's out of their parents basement bedrooms and into a vibrant future where they afford to have places of their own and spend freely on hobbies. Best to ya, Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
Tony Thompson
But the trains under the Christmas tree that kids played with are NOT the hobby, not now and not then. Of course it may get kids intrigued, but the hobby we are talking about is, one might say, entirely different. Most people join it decades later than the Christmas tree experience. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Thanks, Tim, some of the same points I made in my recent blog post on this topic. If you're interested, and didn't see it, here's a link: Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
david ellzey
I have to agree somewhat that that it's an "old man's hobby". Back in the early 50's just about every kid had a Lionel or American Flyer train set under the Christmas tree. Now, the kids want computer games and other hi-tech stuff. Changing times. I remember steam on mainline railroads (yep, I'm a dinosaur), that's why most of us in our 60's and older model the transition era, we can relate. It was a very interesting era. But this hobby is getting more hi-tech and sophisticated all the time, great to lure the younger generation in. I personally think it will be around a very long time. From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:08 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal > Face it; it's an old man's hobby. > Brad Not old -- but most people get into the hobby (or come back to it, as I did) in their 30's and 40's after they "settle down" and develop an interest in doing some activity in their leisure time at home. But I think the median age of NMRA membership was always in the low 40's... It's probably climbed now since a lot of new model railroaders no longer join because there are so many other outlets for sharing in the hobby. Like STMFC! Ah well it's nothing to worry about -- considering everything that is out there, there's never been a better time to enjoy this hobby than right now! Tim O'Connor
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Re: If things are so bad why. . .
Personally I think the situation is lot more Rock 'n Roll than Country.> Bill Welch lol, Bill! To say nothing of 3D printing! The number and variety of skillfully designed HO scale items on Shapeways et al is just astounding! People are applying a whole new set of skills (or recycling their old drafting and design skills) to really explore the possibilities for prototype modeling. 3-D printing barely existed (and was limited to professionals) when Martin Lofton got started 20+ years ago in resin casting, which itself was a relatively new innovation. How far away are we from having almost any detail part we need (or even complete car models) made to our specifications? I watched a Netflix documentary today on 3-D printing, and I wondered -- Who will produce the first 3-D copier? I mean, you just put the car (or 1:1 part) into the copier and out pops a perfect scale copy! :-) It's a whole new world. Tim O'Connor
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