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Re: B&O 175975 box car
Schleigh Mike
Hello Group! The B&O Summary of Equipment of January 1, 1940 shows cars 175000-175999 as M-15D 40'-8" IL boxcars built in 1923. Further Summaries show 390 in 1950 and rapidly diminishing numbers thereafter. Check the Westerfield M-15 offerings for possible application. Car in question was built by the Baltimore site of SSC. I am not sure what the other questions are after. Regards--Mike Schleigh On Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:34 AM, "water.kresse@... [STMFC]" wrote: I have a picture of a freshly repainted B&O box car No. 175975 at East Lexington yard. It has a steel end with three vertical stamped-steel braces and wooden sides and doors. The two box cars behind it are steel. It has Roman stenciling and the round monogram with a dome in the middle. Most of the images I have here are WW1 plus. The sister C&O combine and passenger car train consist image has pre-1932 wooden cars.
Was there a mass shopping of these cars after WW1? . . . or WW2?
Al Kresse
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Re: B&O 175975 box car
water.kresse@...
I have a picture of a freshly repainted B&O box car No. 175975 at East Lexington yard. It has a steel end with three vertical stamped-steel braces and wooden sides and doors. The two box cars behind it are steel. It has Roman stenciling and the round monogram with a dome in the middle. Most of the images I have here are WW1 plus. The sister C&O combine and passenger car train consist image has pre-1932 wooden cars.
Was there a mass shopping of these cars after WW1? . . . or WW2?
Al Kresse
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
Armand Premo
Pierre,There are those who just like to build
whether plastic OR resin. Armand P{remo
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
Pierre Oliver
A narrow niche of lunatics! :-)
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And I include myself in that niche. In truth resin kits are popular only in certain circles. And the numbers show that. I'm happy to sell 100-150 of any particular kit I release. Injection molded kits need at least 10 times that volume, if not more. My observations would suggest that the percentage of modelers who buy resin is similar to the percentage of modelers who self-describe as "prototype modelers". Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com On 3/21/2015 7:45 AM, 'Armand'
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
Armand Premo
How do you account for the
popularity of resin kits? Armand Premo
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Re: reviews or comparison of HO 33" and 36" wheels
Benjamin Scanlon
Thanks Dennis, that sounds like it is about the closest. I'd forgotten S scale options. Regards, Ben Scanlon
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Fw: Tahoe Model Works' 15 trucks
Andy Carlson <midcenturyandy@...>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> Date: Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:21 PM Subject: Fw: Tahoe Model Works' 15 trucks To: Andy Carlson <midcenturyandy@...>
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
Bill Welch
I really appreciate and enjoy knowing this part of the history of prototype modeling in 1/87th.
Bill Welch
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal (UNCLASSIFIED)
spsalso
"How could anything in N scale be 'the next big thing" Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal (UNCLASSIFIED)
Alex Schneider
How could anything in N scale be 'the next big thing" :) Alex Schneider On Friday, March 20, 2015 3:15 PM, "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]"
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
I had a conversation with Dick at the NMRA convention in Valley Forge and
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also got the same impression of "tunnel vision" ... and without a doubt his kits had problems. But then Branchline and Proto2000, who produced some of the finest kits available, also folded up and sold out. So I think at least part of the problem was there was already a huge shift underway to RTR by the late 1980's. A one-man shop or any very small business without Chinese manufacturing partners is fighting a strong head wind in this hobby, especially with the decline in local hobby shops to stock kits for the "browsers". Tim O'Connor
I rarely comment on other people's business; today I'll make an exception. Dick fell into the trap that many smaller manufacturers do... they become "married" to one tool shop and refuse to see the limitations of that shop. Eastern Car Works is another example. Dick relied on the same toolmaker from the beginning to the end of his business... If Lloyd said it couldn't be done, by golly, it couldn't, don't bother me with the pesky detail that others are obviously doing it.
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
Tony Thompson
Dennis Storzek wrote:
I greatly appreciate these insights into both MDC, from Brian Leppert, and into what Dennis knows about C&BT Shops. But as someone who knew Dick Schweiger well (when I lived in PIttsburgh), I can tell you that Dick was endlessly frustrated with Lloyd's inability to produce molds for more refined parts. Dick does seem to have talked himself into believing it was "good enough," but let's not think for a minute he didn't know better. He was a skilled modeler himself and certainly was very well aware of how details OUGHT to look. What I never understood was Dick's failure to find another toolmaker. Then he fell into the belief that molded-on details would result in FAR more sales. On this list, we don't need to discuss the pros and cons of that one. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <b.hom@...> wrote :
"Dick deserves much credit for both introducing the postwar AAR boxcar models and coming up with the blueprint for the next generation of freight car models to come (multiple detail variations, separate detail parts). Unfortunately, it appears he drew the wrong conclusions from his sales. Prototype does sell; poorly executed prototype models don't." I rarely comment on other people's business; today I'll make an exception. Dick fell into the trap that many smaller manufacturers do... they become "married" to one tool shop and refuse to see the limitations of that shop. Eastern Car Works is another example. Dick relied on the same toolmaker from the beginning to the end of his business... If Lloyd said it couldn't be done, by golly, it couldn't, don't bother me with the pesky detail that others are obviously doing it. I had an interesting conversation with both Dick and Lloyd back in the nineties when Accurate Finishing was looking to get into developing our own tooling; learned a lot, also saw the limitations. Why Dick never could is beyond me. Dennis Storzek
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal (UNCLASSIFIED)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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Caveats: NONE Brian; That is a story so strange it could only come from the model railroading world. People think I'm nuts when I describe some of these events! BTW, did women in N-scale ever turn into the next big thing? I am really out of touch... Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:38 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal Page Porter became head of the Art Department after Model Die Casting moved to Carson City, NV. Page had Clarence Menteer's ear and had proposed the WP autocar project to him. John Ryczkowski was probably the real impetus behind the project and provided the general arrangement drawing, without which we couldn't have done the tooling. Richard Hendrickson also provided photos and diagrams. Monju Menteer, Clarence's step daughter, pretty much had the say on what new cars we would do. She felt that the future of the hobby was women in N scale and prototype didn't sell. The last was, I think, a result of conversations with Richard Schweiger of C&BT Shops. After Page's departure, Monju had her way. As for my input, they had offered me the chance to buy one of those vacuum-formed plastic 4X8 layouts at dealer discount, which I declined. Every real model railroader wants a layout, right? But my in terest then was Southern Pacific over Donner in 1949 and cab forwards on that layout wouldn't have worked. So Monju and her new art director decided I was just a brass collector and railroad historian and knew nothing of the hobby and thus my opinion was worthless (despite that I've been reading model railroading magazines since 1963). Brian Leppert Carson City, NV MDC moldmaker for 18 years Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
Benjamin Hom
Brian Leppert wrote:
"Monju Menteer, Clarence's step daughter, pretty much had the say on what new cars we would do. She felt that the future of the hobby was women in N scale and prototype didn't sell. The last was, I think, a result of conversations with Richard Schweiger of C&BT Shops. After Page's departure, Monju had her way." Dick deserves much credit for both introducing the postwar AAR boxcar models and coming up with the blueprint for the next generation of freight car models to come (multiple detail variations, separate detail parts). Unfortunately, it appears he drew the wrong conclusions from his sales. Prototype does sell; poorly executed prototype models don't. Ben Hom
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
brianleppert@att.net
Page Porter became head of the Art Department after Model Die Casting moved to Carson City, NV. Page had Clarence Menteer's ear and had proposed the WP autocar project to him. John Ryczkowski was probably the real impetus behind the project and provided the general arrangement drawing, without which we couldn't have done the tooling. Richard Hendrickson also provided photos and diagrams.
Monju Menteer, Clarence's step daughter, pretty much had the say on what new cars we would do. She felt that the future of the hobby was women in N scale and prototype didn't sell. The last was, I think, a result of conversations with Richard Schweiger of C&BT Shops. After Page's departure, Monju had her way. As for my input, they had offered me the chance to buy one of those vacuum-formed plastic 4X8 layouts at dealer discount, which I declined. Every real model railroader wants a layout, right? But my interest then was Southern Pacific over Donner in 1949 and cab forwards on that layout wouldn't have worked. So Monju and her new art director decided I was just a brass collector and railroad historian and knew nothing of the hobby and thus my opinion was worthless (despite that I've been reading model railroading magazines since 1963). Brian Leppert Carson City, NV MDC moldmaker for 18 years
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Car # for Milw Composite Gondola
Gary Wildung
I have a Milw Composite Gondola Kit made by Westerfield in 303000 to 310624 series . Looking for the numbers in 1953 when there are six left they also had 11 left in 1952 equipment register . I known 306811 was the only one left in 1/56 from the information from Westerfield Would like to use one the other numbers. Thanks for any help on this.
Gary
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new book
Ed Hawkins
STMFC,
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Per Eric Neubauer's request, I'm forwarding a short message about his new book. Regards, Ed Hawkins Begin forwarded message:
Cast Steel Underframe Railcar Production is done and available as a free download. Check out the Eric's Car of the Month page at ericsrailroadcarhistory.com .
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Re: reviews or comparison of HO 33" and 36" wheels
destorzek@...
Ben,
You need to think outside the box... or scale, as the case may be. Northwest Short Line, long a supplier of after market wheels and gears here in the US, has Code 88 profile Sn3 26" wheels. 26" in S scale, 1:64, is .406" - Close enough? Of course, Sn3 is only .563" gauge, but you were going to re-gauge these anyway, right? Actually, you should contact NWSL; they used to do custom wheelsets, any stock wheel on any stock axle, for not much over the price of standard sets. The also used to be able to supply custom length axles. I haven't dealt with them since the ownership changed, but I imagine they still do. If you talk with them, please report back. Here is their web page: Home Page
And the specific wheel page: http://www.nwsl.com/uploads/chap3_web_02-15.pdf Dennis Storzek
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Re: Random Thoughts from my two articles in Volume 3 of Speedwitch's Modeling Journal
As usual Bill you have inspired me to try to build one or two of these. So the $64 question is will Athearn re release these cars. According to their web site yesterday they are discontinued. Anyone have any thoughts? Fenton Wells
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