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Re: 3 grab irons on the left side of a work train UP box

Don Strack
 

Harry Haythorn is close in his description of the car in question. If you view the "Original" version of the photo (the icon at lower right, marked "Sizes"), you can just barely make out the number, which looks to be in the LA&SL 0104xx series.

According to the UP Equipment Record sheets (available elsewhere in the UtahRails photo albums)  these were what UP called "Roadway Boarding" cars, or what we might call an MoW Bunk Car. They were converted in 1927 by LA&SL from B-50-1 boxcars built by AC&F in 1905. The LA&SL Roadway number series appears to run from 010395 through 010472.

Don Strack

 


Re: tank car pressure testing

Tom Birkett <tnbirke@...>
 

Dave and All



Per the 1930 edition of ”Regulations for the transportation by rail of explosives and other dangerous articles…” Published by the Bureau of Explosives in New York (frequently referred to as the “BOE Tariff”) here is the data on testing and retesting of cars in petroleum products (no acids as they take different schedules.)



For ARA 103 and 104 cars (I assume that the tank car designations would have changed from “ARA” to “AAR” in 1934 when the AAR was formed by a merger of several other organizations. The ARA ran from 1919 to 1934 and prior to that the class designation was “MCB” for “Master Car Builders.” Using Roman numerals for the class.



The rules were the same for the 103 and 104 (lagged or jacketed) series tanks



The tanks were to be tested before they were put in service at 60 psi. The first retest was after 10 years of service (or major repairs) and every 5 years after that.

Safety valves are to be tested before placing in service at 25 psi. and then the same schedule as the tank tests.

Steam coils, if equipped, were to be tested at 200 psi. and should be tested whenever the tank is tested/retested. This information does not show up in the 1930 BOE Tariff but has been standard practice. I did find this requirement in the 1963 AAR “Tank Car Manual.” (sorry for the post 1960 reference but this is the best I have available)



The ARA car class is to be stenciled in 2” letters on each side of the tank, and below in 1” letters:



SAFETY VALVES

TESTED (DATE)

PRESSURE (PSI)

AT (PLACE)

BY (NAME OF FIRM OR RR)



TANK

SAME DATA



STEAM COILS

SAME DATA



These can be grouped such as:



SAFETY VALVES 25 LBS.

TANK 60 LBS.

STEAM COILS 200 LBS.

TESTED (DATE)

BY

AT



DATE BUILT



Hope this helps you tank car builders.

Tom Birkett

Bartlesville, OK











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Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:56 PM
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Tom:



I really appreciate your offer. I am sure the 1930 regs will be perfect for my needs.



Thus far, my modeling interests only include ARA Spec III/ICC Class 103 and ARA Spec IV/ICC 104 (insulated) tank cars.



Based on several trade publications from the early 1920s concerning refineries in New England, I would say that the relevant commodities of the era included gasoline, kerosene, naptha, fuel/bunker oil, "gas oil", lubricating oils, paving materials (asphalt), and paraffin wax.



I have replied to the group in case others are interested, and I look forward to hearing from you.



Thanks!



Dave Parker



On Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:14 PM, "'Tom Birkett' tnbirke@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:





Dave



Today I received a copy of the 1930 edition of ”Regulations for the transportation by rail of explosives and other dangerous articles…” It didn’t change much for many years.



I can interpret the retesting schedule for you, but I need to know the tank car class and products if possible. I used to do this kind of work for Phillips Petroleum so I can get you where you need to be.



The only thing I haven’t found is the retest table for steam coils but it is probably here. When I was still working the coils were tested on the same schedule as the tank.



And maybe the proper thing to do is summarize all the retest data in a spread sheet and request help in posting it.



Tom Birkett

Bartlesville, OK



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Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:43 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] tank car pressure testing





With the help of Tony’s SP blog (thank you!) and other sources on the WWW, I feel that I am almost up to speed on the ARA/AAR regs concerning the required frequencies for reweigh, repack, and airbrake COT, and how these evolved over time. So far, however, I have been stymied in trying to find the comparable requirements for pressure testing of tank cars (both the tanks and the relief valves). I have searched the discussion archives here, and all the other obvious places that I can think of.

Can anybody steer me in the right direction here? I am primarily interested in “conventional” tank-cars (for gas, fuel oil, kerosene, etc.), with a focus on the mid-1930s.

Apologies if I missed something obvious with my search pattern.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA









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Re: Red Swift reefers

Mikebrock
 

Andy Sperandeo writes:


"I've seen color photos supporting the boxcar red roof for the bright red Swift reefers."

Any idea whether the cars were wood or steel?

Mike Brock


Re: Sunshine CNW flat cat kits for sale

Clark Propst
 

Sorry, the kits have been sold...Wish I had more...
Clark Propst


Re: Produce Shipping Scenes Presentation

Steve SANDIFER
 

Excellent clinic. Thank you for sharing.



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Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society



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Bob's recent post reminded me that I have forgotten to post the link to the presentation I did at cocoa Beach and Lisle this year about Produce Related Scenes that can be Modeled. I still hope to get a Higher Res. photo of the Crate Factory photo but I think the presentation will be helpful. I know it has inspired me. A reminder, this is for individual use only and should not be used by anyone as a presentation. However it is OK to make a copy for a friend.



While at Lisle a good friend said he would help with the Cad work to enable me to get some Produce Baskets and Boxes 3D printed to create some patterns for casting. If this works I will offer them to one of the producers of Resin kits.



Bill Welch



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Re: Red Swift reefers

frograbbit602
 

The photo on Pierre Oliver's blog is one of several taken by George Berkstresser in September 1954 at Siox City, Iowa. One these photos appeared in B&W in an article "The Swift "Twins"" by Bill Kee, photos by George Berkstresser in the December 1976 NMRA BULLETIN, p. 32. The B&W photo shows same cars taken from a different angle. Another B&W photo in this series appeared in Railmodel Journal in February 1993, p. 31. Photo credit is George Berkstresser photo from Jim Haskell collection.

Lester Breuer


Produce Shipping Scenes Presentation

Bill Welch
 

Bob's recent post reminded me that I have forgotten to post the link to the presentation I did at cocoa Beach and Lisle this year about Produce Related Scenes that can be Modeled. I still hope to get a Higher Res. photo of the Crate Factory photo but I think the presentation will be helpful. I know it has inspired me. A reminder, this is for individual use only and should not be used by anyone as a presentation. However it is OK to make a copy for a friend.


While at Lisle a good friend said he would help with the Cad work to enable me to get some Produce Baskets and Boxes 3D printed to create some patterns for casting. If this works I will offer them to one of the producers of Resin kits.


Bill Welch


Here is the link to the PDF: Produce Scenes for Modeling Oct. 2014.pdf

 


Kanawha & Michigan USRA Twin Hoppers

Doug Chapman
 

Hello,

 

I am looking for photographs and painting diagrams for USRA twin hoppers lettered for the Kanawha and Michigan Railway, a subsidiary of the New York Central.  The K&M received 500 cars in two separate lots: 300 cars (Lot 396-H) in 1918, numbered 27500-27799, built by Pressed Steel, McKees Rocks, PA and 200 cars (Lot 397-H) in 1918, numbered 27800-27999, built by Ralston Steel Car, Columbus, OH.  The cars in Lot 396-H were relettered NYC and renumbered 401500-401799 beginning in 1925, and subsequently renumbered 834500-834799.  The cars in Lot 397-H were relettered NYC and renumbered 401800-401999 in 1925, and subsequently renumbered 834800-834999.

 

Does anyone on the STMFC list have any photos and/or painting diagrams for these cars as built? In advance, thank you for your help and assistance.  I’m am grateful!

 

Doug Chapman

Montclair, VA



Re: Red Swift reefers

Andy Sperandeo
 

I've seen color photos supporting the boxcar red roof for the bright red Swift reefers. I don't have one to post, because for 1947 my Swift reefers are still yellow. But those had a boxcar red roof too. – Andy


Re: Red Swift reefers

Clark Propst
 

Which ever hue of red your friend chooses try shooting the car with white first. Will make the red ‘pop’ better.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Sunshine CNW flat cat kits for sale

Clark Propst
 

I have for sale for $25 each plus $5 shipping each.
 
1 – #45.1 CNW 40001-42999 42’ flat car kit
1 – #45.2 CNW 43001- 45001 46’ flat car kit
 
If interested please contact me OFF LIST at:
 
Thanks!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: 3 grab irons on the left side of a work train UP box

spsalso
 

I believe there are four grabs there, not three--one other down low.  That would make it a ladder.  Which would be handy if one were going around the corner of the car to and from the car end.  Which might well have a door.  I suppose you could argue that there's likely a full ladder on the other side of the car, and that a person could use that one.  Well, yeah.  But, then, there are four grabs right there before us, and they had to be added for a reason.



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Mobile Icing – Refrigerator Cars

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Florence, Nebraska, once was in the ice production business. Formerly an independent town, it was annexed to Omaha in 1918.  In 1916 the town’s Metropolitan Utilities District (M. U. D.) began producing ice, some of which was used for icing refrigerator cars.  This was still taking place at least as late as 1947.

 

Here is a link to an image of M. U. D.’s mobile icing machine in the 1930s:

 

http://www.historicflorence.org/Photos/FlorenceIce04X.htm

 

There is a partial view of a C&NW refrigerator car and a second but unknown refrigerator car.

 

A better view of another truck that carried the ice blocks is on this link:

 

http://www.historicflorence.org/Photos/FlorenceIce03X.htm

 

Notice the 1947 Freedom Train.

 

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/citrusmodeling/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: PFE Roseville Ice Plant – Flat Car Load

Chuck Higdon
 

The cars in front of and behind that flat do not appear to be refrigerator cars, so maybe the local switcher just happened to be going down the track when the photo was taken? I can see a loco at the far end. Blowing up the photo some, the blocks appear to be boxes, as the corners are very square and cardboard looking.



Take care,
Chuck Higdon- check out my FEC layout at
https://picasaweb.google.com/102920461774912857361







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Subject: [STMFC] PFE Roseville Ice Plant – Flat Car Load





On the link below I came across an image of PFE’s Roseville Ice Manufacturing Plant and tracks. As one would expect, there are plenty of refrigerator cars on the tracks.



<http://roseville.ca.us/visiting/history_of_roseville/1920s.asp> http://roseville.ca.us/visiting/history_of_roseville/1920s.asp



One item that caught my eye was the flat car next to the icing platform. The car appears to have blocks of ice on it. It’s hard to tell with certainty and the “ice blocks” may be something else entirely.



Can anyone make an educated guess as to what the load on the flat car actually is?



Thanks.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





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PFE Roseville Ice Plant – Flat Car Load

thecitrusbelt@...
 

On the link below I came across an image of PFE’s Roseville Ice Manufacturing Plant and tracks.  As one would expect, there are plenty of refrigerator cars on the tracks. 

 

http://roseville.ca.us/visiting/history_of_roseville/1920s.asp

 

One item that caught my eye was the flat car next to the icing platform.  The car appears to have blocks of ice on it.  It’s hard to tell with certainty and the “ice blocks” may be something else entirely. 

 

Can anyone make an educated guess as to what the load on the flat car actually is?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 3 grab irons on the left side of a work train UP box

Harry M Haythorn
 

That's one of the Drovers(cowboy) cabooses, they were converted from B-50-1  13000 AC&F boxcars. I have a Westerfield one, but done remember if it has 2 or 3 grabs irons, I will look when I get home.

Harry M Haythorn
UPHS #4043
NMRA 145379 00 29/22
NHRA#402327 Comp# H541
AQHA  0335008

From:"'Charlie Morrill' badlands@... [STMFC]"
Date:Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:01 am
Subject:Re: [STMFC] 3 grab irons on the left side of a work train UP box

 

That appears to be a UP caboose converted from a boxcar.  The SP had a large number of very similar boxcar cabooses.
Charlie
 

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Subject: [STMFC] 3 grab irons on the left side of a work train UP box
 


What is the utility of a 3rd grab iron on the left side of this UP boxcar now in work service?  It appears to have a steel strap up the side of the body where the right side of the grab irons are fastened.  Was this type of strap used frequently on these boxcars when in regular service?  Which class of UP boxcars, I can’t find a similar one in my reference material.  TIA
 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Narrow Gauge Automobile Boxcar

superior1980@...
 

I recently heard about a narrow gauge automobile boxcar that the Colorado & Southern built and later sold to the Rio Grande Southern.  I was wondering if anyone here had any information or photographs of it.  Thanks!


Re: 3 grab irons on the left side of a work train UP box

Charles Morrill
 

That appears to be a UP caboose converted from a boxcar.  The SP had a large number of very similar boxcar cabooses.
Charlie
 

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 10:25 AM
To: stmfc
Subject: [STMFC] 3 grab irons on the left side of a work train UP box
 


What is the utility of a 3rd grab iron on the left side of this UP boxcar now in work service?  It appears to have a steel strap up the side of the body where the right side of the grab irons are fastened.  Was this type of strap used frequently on these boxcars when in regular service?  Which class of UP boxcars, I can’t find a similar one in my reference material.  TIA
 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


3 grab irons on the left side of a work train UP box

gary laakso
 

What is the utility of a 3rd grab iron on the left side of this UP boxcar now in work service?  It appears to have a steel strap up the side of the body where the right side of the grab irons are fastened.  Was this type of strap used frequently on these boxcars when in regular service?  Which class of UP boxcars, I can’t find a similar one in my reference material.  TIA
 
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


coal loading limit line on hopper car

gary laakso
 

Having spent 2 decades in the ESPEE law dep’t, I learned that there was a gap between what headquarters thought was happening and what really was going on.  Note the coal loading line on this hopper, as well as the coal load:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock

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