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OT RMC

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

    OT but I just received my MRC and while reading noticed it was the June issue.  Anyone know what is happening?

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Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Car sounds

Pierre Oliver
 

I live within earshot of a railroad yard, I'll pass on that sound.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 8/6/2014 5:22 PM, asychis@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I think an occasional car with a flat wheel would make an interesting aural addition.  Jerry Michels


Re: Car sounds

asychis@...
 

John Barry mention flange squeal.  That makes me think that some sounds would be stationary, such as flange squeal at a specific location.  Brake squeal or flat spots would need to be coming form the car itself.
 
Jerry Michels


Re: Car sounds

asychis@...
 

I think an occasional car with a flat wheel would make an interesting aural addition.  Jerry Michels


Re: CRI&P 61551

earlyrail
 

I have a photo taken at Arvada, Colorado in 1913 that shows the end of a CRI&P box car. As best I can tell it is #61551 (but it might be 81551 or 31551). Can anyone tell me anything about that car, like series, built date, builder, etc.?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
ORER for Feb 1913
61551 part of series 61000-61999 50 ft 60,000 cpy 854 cars is series
81661 not listed
31661 part of series 31000-32999 40 ft 60,000 cpy 1913 cars is series

Howard Garner

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Re: Hoarders

Marty Ross
 

How True - How True

My hometown, Shawano, WI - the crossing point of the C&NW and the Soo, still has its own "400 Bar."  It was, and still is, a rowdy place.  Just down the street there was a railroad hotel that housed mostly train crews. 

BTW - The old "400" in the Ceder-Riverside in Minneapolis closed in 2013, but is re-opening in the Mall of America, very soon, as a live music venue and restaurant. 

John, I hate to break the news to you, but the bar's logo isn't the same as the CNW.  They're still selling the T-shirts at the mall until the club opens.

Marty


On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:35 PM, "golden1014@... [STMFC]"


 
The poularity of the "400" term lasted well into the 1990s.  I went to a bar one night in downtown Minneapolis called "The 400 Club, and they even had t-shirts available with the popular steam-era emblem.  It was my first authentic steam-era t-shirt.  

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL



Re: Hoarders

golden1014
 

The poularity of the "400" term lasted well into the 1990s.  I went to a bar one night in downtown Minneapolis called "The 400 Club, and they even had t-shirts available with the popular steam-era emblem.  It was my first authentic steam-era t-shirt.  

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Using the "LocTite Plastics Bonding System"

Bill Welch
 

Here is my report about using LocTite for Plastics. I did begin by using a heated blade to melt the mounting pegs on a sill step part. This did work but with a caution: I used my thumb to press down on each outside mounting point to make sure the part was firmly against the side and straight. The first melt induced a slight distortion into the vertical part of the step, meaning to me that the heat had traveled through the part and  put a permanent slight bend into the part. I was more careful about where I applied the pressure on the next peg. The result was a slight bend on one side which is not terrible as it looks like some prototypical damage. A good lesson learned. Given this incident, and the fact that the wall thickness I was attaching through meant there was not much peg protruding on the melt side, I decided to try the Loctite product.


I began by putting a small puddle of the ACC on the pallet material I use. Regarding viscosity, I think the "Gorilla" Super Glue I tried recently is a comparatively thick ACC. I would describe the Loctite Plastic ACC as having moderate viscosity  when compared to thin ACC and the Gorilla product. Next I applied the Activator to the attachment area of the step part and then the car side, pressing around the hole to try to induce it to flow into the holes. (I could see some moisture but it flames off very quickly.) The tip of the applicator is roughly chisel shaped with some sharp corners so I was able to pretty well coat the pegs. I did not have a clock secondhand convenient to time the 60 seconds but waited a reasonable time, then dipped the peg area into the puddle of ACC and then maneuvered the pegs into the holes and pushing the part firmly against the side. The glue sets up pretty quickly. Where there was some oozing I was able to easily cut through with my ever ready single edge razor blade and cleave the excess away. the material set up as cloudy or frosty easy to see, w/ an Opti-Visor anyway. I then used one of my insect pin applicators to apply some glue to the inside of the side. On one of the step parts one of the pegs has some excess material and will not fit into the holes I had drilled. Tomorrow morning I will make the appropriate receiving hole slightly "egg shaped" and more less hand fit the remaining step, then glue it in place.

All in all I am happy with the results. Happy enough that even though I have been saving some styrene Eastern Car Works Dalman Two Level trucks to modify as Andrews Dalmans for my Sunshine SAL B-3 and B-5 kits, I am going to try this modification using friend Brian Leppert's Dalmans. 

Hope this helps! I purchased the Loctite produce at Home Depot.

Bill Welch



CRI&P 61551

Richard Townsend
 

I have a photo taken at Arvada, Colorado in 1913 that shows the end of a CRI&P box car.  As best I can tell it is #61551 (but it might be 81551 or 31551).  Can anyone tell me anything about that car, like series, built date, builder, etc.?
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: [SOUTHERNPACIFIC] HD Mystery Flat

John Barry
 

Thanks Brian,

It does seem to be that car without the brake wheels.  Too new for both me and the STMFC.  To the sale bin it goes.  Takers?
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [SOUTHERNPACIFIC]"
To: SOUTHERNPACIFIC@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SOUTHERNPACIFIC] HD Mystery Flat

 
That appears to be this car
> > in SP paint. The
model is of a car built long after 1944, including the trucks. Yours seems
to have had the brake stands removed from the ends.

The old Athearn HD flat would be more appropriate, time-wise, although I
don¹t know if SP had any like it.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: "John Barry northbaylines@... [SOUTHERNPACIFIC]"

Reply-To:
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 1:06 AM
To: Espee List , SP
, STMFC List
Subject: [SOUTHERNPACIFIC] HD Mystery Flat

I'm hoping this fits in with my 1944 era but I am not sure. I acquired an
SP marked 16 wheel HD flat from an estate. It is lettered for a F-200-1
which would have been built in 1941, but I think it may be an F-200-3 or a
foobie (SP that is). Can anyone tell me what I have? Photos and a more
detailed description on my blog at
http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2014/08/heavy-duty-mystery-flat.html

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights

707-490-9696

3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682



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Re: Car sounds

John Barry
 

Flange squeal could be an effective audio enhancement.  Though it post-dates this list, I have fond memories of the SP tank-train climbing over the loop at Waylong at dusk.  The squeal is etched in my mind, along with the occasional spark from the lateral friction.  A fixed sound module that operated on detection would probably work to get that feeling without having to equip a lot of freight cars.  The squeal would have been heard from the earliest days and would be era independent.

 
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Car sounds

 
Subtlety done, ambient sounds can be quite effective. My friend, Trevor Marshall, has installed a number of sound modules on his layout. Birds, insects(including cicadas), and intermittent cows all combine for a truly effective atmosphere. Whenever I'm there, it sounds exactly like a hot August day in Southwestern Ontario.
I am struggling with the notion of sound modules in freight cars. Maybe brake squeals?
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 06/08/2014 11:59 AM, Douglas Harding doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Sounds for mechanical reefers, livestock, hobos?

Doug Harding from my phone

From: cepropst@q.com [STMFC]
Sent: ‎8/‎6/‎2014 8:28 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Car sounds

 
Brian Wilson had “Pet Sounds” Soundtraxx now has car sounds, I guess.
Anybody excited over this? Or, what the heck is it?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa




Re: Car sounds

Bruce Smith
 

Clark,

From the Soundtraxx site :"The 16-bit Tsunami SoundCar Digital Sound Decoder™ is the only DCC decoder to replicate railcar sounds, such as the clickety-clack, flange squeal, flat spots, generator, brake cylinders, and glad hand release. It also includes a selection of user-adjustable horns, bells and whistles for cab cars and cabooses. For even more realism, the decoder has four Hyperlight lighting outputs for interior and exterior lights."

Regards
Bruce Smith
temporarily in Saint Looey


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 8:28 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Car sounds



Brian Wilson had “Pet Sounds” Soundtraxx now has car sounds, I guess.
Anybody excited over this? Or, what the heck is it?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



Re: Car sounds

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

I've used background sounds for decades...all very loud and just audible, they add a lot to the ambiance. As for sound modules in freight cars, Soundtraxx already has them:

 

http://www.soundtraxx.com/dsd/soundcar/soundcar.php

 

Jack Burgess

 

 

Subtlety done, ambient sounds can be quite effective. My friend, Trevor Marshall, has installed a number of sound modules on his layout. Birds, insects(including cicadas), and intermittent cows all combine for a truly effective atmosphere. Whenever I'm there, it sounds exactly like a hot August day in Southwestern Ontario.
I am struggling with the notion of sound modules in freight cars. Maybe brake squeals?

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Car sounds

Pierre Oliver
 

Subtlety done, ambient sounds can be quite effective. My friend, Trevor Marshall, has installed a number of sound modules on his layout. Birds, insects(including cicadas), and intermittent cows all combine for a truly effective atmosphere. Whenever I'm there, it sounds exactly like a hot August day in Southwestern Ontario.
I am struggling with the notion of sound modules in freight cars. Maybe brake squeals?
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 06/08/2014 11:59 AM, Douglas Harding doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Sounds for mechanical reefers, livestock, hobos?

Doug Harding from my phone

From: cepropst@q.com [STMFC]
Sent: ‎8/‎6/‎2014 8:28 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Car sounds

 

Brian Wilson had “Pet Sounds” Soundtraxx now has car sounds, I guess.
Anybody excited over this? Or, what the heck is it?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Car sounds

Douglas Harding
 

Sounds for mechanical reefers, livestock, hobos?

Doug Harding from my phone


From: cepropst@q.com [STMFC]
Sent: ‎8/‎6/‎2014 8:28 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Car sounds

 

Brian Wilson had “Pet Sounds” Soundtraxx now has car sounds, I guess.
Anybody excited over this? Or, what the heck is it?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


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Re: [Espee] HD Mystery Flat

 

My bad; that link was sent to the SOUTHERNPACIFIC Yahoo! Group. The link is
<http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-42552
<http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-42552%3E> >

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: [Espee] HD Mystery Flat

I replied with a link to the Manufacturer: Walthers.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM
To: Espee List <Espee@...>
Cc: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: [Espee] HD Mystery Flat







Tony,

That confirms my supposition of what it is not from viewing the RailGoat
site. It looks very similar to the photo of the F-200=3 with the end
platforms. But that is listed as a 44' car and the main deck on my model
scales out to 50'. Still trying to find the model manufacturer.

John


John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682






From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [Espee]"
<Espee@...>
To: Espee@...
Cc: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Espee] HD Mystery Flat







John Barry wrote:
I'm hoping this fits in with my 1944 era but I am not sure. I acquired an SP
marked 16 wheel HD flat from an estate. It is lettered for a F-200-1 which
would have been built in 1941, but I think it may be an F-200-3 or a foobie (SP
that is). Can anyone tell me what I have? Photos and a more detailed
description on my blog at
http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2014/08/heavy-duty-mystery-flat.html
John, the car is a more modern car, most certainly not like the SP F-200-1.
The car number, 500603, represents a post-1956 car number and would indeed
match SP Class F-200-1. But that car is actually quite close to the Athearn
4-truck flat car, has trucks closer together on the span bolster, and does
not have end platforms. The original F-200-1 cars were numbered 44091 to
44094.
Whoever lettered the car as you now have it was engaging in wishful
thinking, or was simply trying to fit the car into a specific era which is
not correct. You can see photos of the actual cars of this class in my
Volume 3 of the SP Freight Cars series.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: [Espee] HD Mystery Flat

 

I replied with a link to the Manufacturer: Walthers.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM
To: Espee List <Espee@...>
Cc: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: [Espee] HD Mystery Flat







Tony,

That confirms my supposition of what it is not from viewing the RailGoat
site. It looks very similar to the photo of the F-200=3 with the end
platforms. But that is listed as a 44' car and the main deck on my model
scales out to 50'. Still trying to find the model manufacturer.

John


John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682






From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [Espee]"
<Espee@...>
To: Espee@...
Cc: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Espee] HD Mystery Flat







John Barry wrote:
I'm hoping this fits in with my 1944 era but I am not sure. I acquired an SP
marked 16 wheel HD flat from an estate. It is lettered for a F-200-1 which
would have been built in 1941, but I think it may be an F-200-3 or a foobie (SP
that is). Can anyone tell me what I have? Photos and a more detailed
description on my blog at
http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2014/08/heavy-duty-mystery-flat.html
John, the car is a more modern car, most certainly not like the SP F-200-1.
The car number, 500603, represents a post-1956 car number and would indeed
match SP Class F-200-1. But that car is actually quite close to the Athearn
4-truck flat car, has trucks closer together on the span bolster, and does
not have end platforms. The original F-200-1 cars were numbered 44091 to
44094.
Whoever lettered the car as you now have it was engaging in wishful
thinking, or was simply trying to fit the car into a specific era which is
not correct. You can see photos of the actual cars of this class in my
Volume 3 of the SP Freight Cars series.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: [Espee] HD Mystery Flat

John Barry
 

Tony,

That confirms my supposition of what it is not from viewing the RailGoat site.  It looks very similar to the photo of the F-200=3 with the end platforms.  But that is listed as a 44' car and the main deck on my model scales out to 50'.  Still trying to find the model manufacturer.

John

 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [Espee]"
To: Espee@...
Cc: STMFC
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Espee] HD Mystery Flat

 
John Barry wrote:
> I'm hoping this fits in with my 1944 era but I am not sure. I acquired an SP marked 16 wheel HD flat from an estate. It is lettered for a F-200-1 which would have been built in 1941, but I think it may be an F-200-3 or a foobie (SP that is). Can anyone tell me what I have? Photos and a more detailed description on my blog at http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2014/08/heavy-duty-mystery-flat.html
>

John, the car is a more modern car, most certainly not like the SP F-200-1. The car number, 500603, represents a post-1956 car number and would indeed match SP Class F-200-1. But that car is actually quite close to the Athearn 4-truck flat car, has trucks closer together on the span bolster, and does not have end platforms. The original F-200-1 cars were numbered 44091 to 44094.
Whoever lettered the car as you now have it was engaging in wishful thinking, or was simply trying to fit the car into a specific era which is not correct. You can see photos of the actual cars of this class in my Volume 3 of the SP Freight Cars series.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: Hoarders

Marty Ross
 

Hi Gang,


I'm brand new to the group and the C&NW is my area of interest.


In reference to "400" and the North-Western, it began with passenger service between Chicago and Minneapolis/St. Paul in 1935.  It referred to 400 miles in 400 minutes and was in direct competition (speed) with the Milwaukee Road.


As time passed, the "400" moniker became well known and was applied to other passenger routes as well.  It became so tied to the C&NW that the logo began to be used on freight service as an easy identifier.


A quick search for the history of the C&NW will provide details about the timeline info.


Cheers,

Marty Ross


Re: Custom Decals

Alexander Schneider Jr
 


The original question asked about COPYING decals, and many of them have the letter C in a circle denoting a claim of copyright.


Has the message on the package, "Reproduction of this decal in any form prohibited for commercial purposes", which seems to give permission to reproduce for personal use. Use for reference, for instance choosing the font and size and number ranges, is clearly "fair use".

Obviously Champ did not claim a copyright on the NYC logo, which I understand now belongs to CSX. They aren't going to come into your basement, but if you attempt to recoup your graphics investment by selling them over the Internet that might be a different issue.

Alex Schneider

From: "Peter Aue peteraue@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Custom Decals



I find it quite disappointing that subject is again turning into a lengthy copyright debate instead of focusing on the technical and logistical issues involved in printing custom decals in small quantities.

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