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PFE STEEL ROOF WALKS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Now that our hobby has advanced to the point that we no longer just use
Bettendorf or Andrews trucks we are becoming equally as sophisticated
on roof walks. Does anyone know just which metal roofwalks were used
on the PFE R-30-19 and R-30-21 refer rebuilds?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Bill Pardie


Re: Wabash NOT USRA rebuild

Rob Adams
 

John;

Ben's comments are dead on.  While their basis has some features in common with USRA double sheathed box cars, those rebuilt Wabash cars originated as door and a half automobile cars with 7/8 Murphy ends built during the early 1920's.  Unfortunately, some inaccurate marketing has contributed to confusion about their origin.

While Martin Lofton's 1990 articles in MRG are helpful and cover rebuilds of several railroads, a much better resource for prototype material about the Wabash rebuilds is the excellent article by Chet French and Jerry Hamsmith that appeared in Speedwitch Media's Prototype Railroad Modeling Volume 1.  I can recommend it highly.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA


On 7/13/14, 12:22 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

John Barry wrote:
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-TBnNB5s/A
1944 Columbus GA.  Dead on for my era!

A rebuilt boxcar, but NOT USRA! Original cars were "clones" with 7/8 Murphy ends - note the 3/7/8 Murphy ends of the rebuilt boxcar.  The Sunshine flyers are misleading as the WAB cars are lumped in with true USRA rebuilds.
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun09a.pdf
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun64g.pdf

See Martin Lofton's articles in the the May and August 1990 issues of Model RailroaDING for more information.  The Wabash did receive allotments of USRA DS cars, but did not rebuild them to all-steel boxcars.

Ben Hom




Re: C&IM Mather-design boxcar?

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Witt wrote:
"So there may be prototypes for all those oversize model tank cars?"

Then Ben Hom replied:

Sure is - Tony Thompson keeps on highlighting this one:
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/05/modeling-sp-tank-cars.html


      Yes, SP modelers are lucky in that the Athearn single-dome tank car is dimensionally the SP 12,500-gallon tank car of 1942. There are some detail discrepancies, including the dome height, but the car body is in fact an accurate prototype.
       Many other oversize models, from the old AHM "wine" car, to the Varney/LifeLike/Walthers car and beyond, are an entirely different issue.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Patrick Cudahy 37' reefer

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Lar thank you that's great. l used to have that book but it went in a big clearance when i changed the motorcycle !
thanks Paul Doggett UK




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"mrprksr mrprksr@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Classic Freight Cars has a picture of Cudahy CRLX 5819 with BC Red ends and roof....The new Rapido reefer also uses this scheme...the sides are more yellow than Orange....Lar


On Sunday, July 13, 2014 11:21 AM, "paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Hi could anyone please tell me the colour of the ends and roof for  a Patrick Cudahy 37' reefer circa 1950 I built the funaro  & Camerlango kit  (kit #3606) about 8 years ago but for whatever reason it never got painted and I have lost the instruction sheet I know the sides are orange.
many thanks Paul Doggett UK



Re: Wabash NOT USRA rebuild

Benjamin Hom
 

John Barry wrote:
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-TBnNB5s/A
1944 Columbus GA.  Dead on for my era!

A rebuilt boxcar, but NOT USRA! Original cars were "clones" with 7/8 Murphy ends - note the 3/7/8 Murphy ends of the rebuilt boxcar.  The Sunshine flyers are misleading as the WAB cars are lumped in with true USRA rebuilds.
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun09a.pdf
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun64g.pdf

See Martin Lofton's articles in the the May and August 1990 issues of Model RailroaDING for more information.  The Wabash did receive allotments of USRA DS cars, but did not rebuild them to all-steel boxcars.


Ben Hom


New Decals

hubert mask
 

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More sets in the works.


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Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals


Re: SRE

Dale <dwwesley@...>
 

Standard Railway (Stanray) mainly  manufactured Roofs, Ends, and uncoupling devices for freight cars in Hammond, IN. The corporate offices in 1961 were in Chicago, which was a holding company. Standard Railway was one of the division. An FYI was that a division of Stanray fabricated the main columns for the World Trade Center.

Dale Florence 


On Jul 13, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "water.kresse@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Tim,
 
I believe Hammond was more than an office and also manufactured components.  The other facility was just based around a monster stamping press I believe.
 
Al Kresse


From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group" <STMFC@...>
To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:36:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SRE

 

Al

SRE listed Hammond Indiana as their address, but that could just be the
office address.

Tim O'

>Was Peter Murphy and possibly his son still involved? Were their large stampings (first Murphy then Dreadnaught, etc. trademarked) still produced at Hobart, Indiana, just south of US Steel's Gary Works in 1961? Or, am I mixing up the chief characters?
>
>Al Kresse



Wabash USRA rebuild

John Barry
 


1944 Columbus GA.  Dead on for my era!
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Re: NYC boxcar 163277

Dave Nelson
 

Roger, the answer is on drawing T-54247

 

Dave Nelson

 

p.s. I also endorse the utility of the NYC Historical Society CD’s.  They can be a bit expensive but when you compute the per drawing cost it usually works out to dirt cheap.

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 2:35 PM


Back to the original question. I have a copy of New York Central drawing Y-54262 titled "General Arrangement, All Steel Roof, Freight Cars" dated Apr 24, 1946 which is applicable to Lot 743-B as well as five other contemporary lots.

 

No mention is made on this drawing of who the supplier is but it's obviously the vendor being discussed. The intermediate roof sheets( qty 10) are raised panel type with a two inch high profile, the two end sheets are flat

 

This drawing is available from the NYC Historical Society on their CD 157.  Roof General Arrangements were prepared for the majority of the NYC box cars and are a better source of information than diagram books or full car general arrangrments.

 

 

Roger Hinman


Re: Patrick Cudahy 37' reefer

mrprksr <mrprksr@...>
 

Classic Freight Cars has a picture of Cudahy CRLX 5819 with BC Red ends and roof....The new Rapido reefer also uses this scheme...the sides are more yellow than Orange....Lar


On Sunday, July 13, 2014 11:21 AM, "paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Hi could anyone please tell me the colour of the ends and roof for  a Patrick Cudahy 37' reefer circa 1950 I built the funaro  & Camerlango kit  (kit #3606) about 8 years ago but for whatever reason it never got painted and I have lost the instruction sheet I know the sides are orange.
many thanks Paul Doggett UK



Re: C&IM Mather-design boxcar?

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Witt wrote:
"So there may be prototypes for all those oversize model tank cars?"
Sure is - Tony Thompson keeps on highlighting this one:
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/05/modeling-sp-tank-cars.html


Ben Hom


C&O Decco end Box was Re: C&IM Mather-design boxcar?

John Barry
 


Next to a Southern DS auto car.  
 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


From: "'Claus Schlund HGM' claus@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 3:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] C&IM Mather-design boxcar?

 
Hi List Members,

C&IM Mather-design boxcar?

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1949-Aug-Pocatello/i-GHSQPk5/0/O/Roll-0296_Pocatello_26-Aug-1949_016.jpg

or if that does not work, try...

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1949-Aug-Pocatello/i-GHSQPk5/A

Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund




Patrick Cudahy 37' reefer

paul.doggett2472@...
 

Hi could anyone please tell me the colour of the ends and roof for  a Patrick Cudahy 37' reefer circa 1950 I built the funaro  & Camerlango kit  (kit #3606) about 8 years ago but for whatever reason it never got painted and I have lost the instruction sheet I know the sides are orange.

many thanks Paul Doggett UK


Re: C&IM Mather-design boxcar?

rwitt_2000
 

David Thompson wrote: I'm more impressed by the giant tank car ahead of it.

So there may be prototypes for all those oversize model tank cars? ;-).

Bob Witt


Re: Aberdeen Proving Ground

water.kresse@...
 

Thank you. AK


From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:18:13 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Aberdeen Proving Ground

 

In STMFC, Al Kresse commented "I was never there, but my Dad was there in 1938 for Ordinance Corps Basic Officers Training." 
 
I suspect spell check struck again.  As a former Army Ordnance officer with experience in both conventional munitions and tank/ground mobility materiel, I'm compelled to advise that an "ordinance" (with an 'i') is a piece of legislation enacted by a municipal authority (e.g., a city ordinance on parking, smoking in restaurants, etc.), while "ordnance" (without the 'i') goes boom.  Moreover, as concerns this List, ordnance - ammunition, artillery, combat vehicles, etc. - was commonly shipped in/on steam era freight cars (and still is), while ordinances seldom need be shipped outside city limits, by rail or otherwise.
 
Dave Sieber, Reno NV
Ordnance Officer Basic and Mechanical Maintenance Officer courses, APG MD 1971
Ordnance Officer Advanced course, APG MD 1978



Re: SRE

water.kresse@...
 

Tim,
 
I believe Hammond was more than an office and also manufactured components.  The other facility was just based around a monster stamping press I believe.
 
Al Kresse


From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:36:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SRE

 

Al

SRE listed Hammond Indiana as their address, but that could just be the
office address.

Tim O'

>Was Peter Murphy and possibly his son still involved? Were their large stampings (first Murphy then Dreadnaught, etc. trademarked) still produced at Hobart, Indiana, just south of US Steel's Gary Works in 1961? Or, am I mixing up the chief characters?
>
>Al Kresse



Re: NYC boxcar 163277

David
 

Judging by this:
Official Gazette of the United States Patent Office

 

looks like SRE started out in St. Louis.

David Thompson


Re: NYC boxcar 163277

Tim O'Connor
 


Bob, that box car -- 19682 -- is almost certainly a Wabash box car
built by General American in 1953, series 19500-19799

Tim




At 7/12/2014 04:13 PM Saturday, you wrote:


Found this ad for a diagonal pane roof in that collection for 1955. They use the term "Standard".

Waide Collection of Vintage Railroad Advertisements 1950 - Present - WaidePhoto
Waide Collection


Re: SRE

Tim O'Connor
 

Al

SRE listed Hammond Indiana as their address, but that could just be the
office address.

Tim O'

Was Peter Murphy and possibly his son still involved? Were their large stampings (first Murphy then Dreadnaught, etc. trademarked) still produced at Hobart, Indiana, just south of US Steel's Gary Works in 1961? Or, am I mixing up the chief characters?

Al Kresse


Re: NYC boxcar 163277

ROGER HINMAN
 

Back to the original question. I have a copy of New York Central drawing Y-54262 titled "General Arrangement, All Steel Roof, Freight Cars" dated Apr 24, 1946 which is applicable to Lot 743-B as well as five other contemporary lots.

No mention is made on this drawing of who the supplier is but it's obviously the vendor being discussed. The intermediate roof sheets( qty 10) are raised panel type with a two inch high profile, the two end sheets are flat

This drawing is available from the NYC Historical Society on their CD 157.  Roof General Arrangements were prepared for the majority of the NYC box cars and are a better source of information than diagram books or full car general arrangrments.


Roger Hinman



On Jul 12, 2014, at 4:13 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Found this ad for a diagonal pane roof in that collection for 1955. They use the term "Standard".

Waide Collection of Vintage Railroad Advertisements 1950 - Present - WaidePhoto

 
Bob Witt


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