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Re: B&O and PRR Sentinel/Merchandise Serrvice box cars
Benjamin Hom
Greg Kennelly asked:
"As these photographs are one to two years after my modelling period, my question to the B&O and PRR experts is: What is the earliest date cars from these specialized services were re-assigned to the general box car pool and would, therefore, possibly be seen as far afield as Southwestern British Columbia?" Your X29 is a bit of a cuckoo, as these cars (NOT to be confused with the specially equipped Class X29B rebuilds in the Merchandise Service paint scheme) lacked special LCL handling equipment and were plain boxcars with a fancy paint scheme. Also, keep in mind that far more ordinary boxcars were used in LCL service than cars painted in schemes advertising the service. Bottom line - this X29 wasn't specifically assigned to LCL service. It probably handled LCL at some point, but as any other clean general service boxcar would have. Ben Hom |
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B&O and PRR Sentinel/Merchandise Serrvice box cars
greg kennelly
B&O 466292 in the Sentinel Service paint scheme was photographed by
Walter E Frost in Vancouver, BC, on June 13, 1954 (re-weighed and
repacked at WA in 9-53)
http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/b-o-baltimore-and-ohio-railway-co-box-car-466292 and was also photographed by Hubert E Mills at Squamish, BC within a few days of Walter’s photo. PRR X29 # 52569 in the Merchandise Service scheme was photographed by Walter E. Frost in Vancouver on October 4, 1953 (re-weighed at P129 in 3-50 and repacked 4-5-53 at what looks like “WSC”). http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/pennsylvania-box-car-52569 Another PRR Merchandise Service X29, 505797 (re-weighed at P129 1-53, repack stencil not readable in the photo), was photographed by William H. Hewlett at Squamish, BC in August 1954. As these photographs are one to two years after my modelling period, my question to the B&O and PRR experts is: What is the earliest date cars from these specialized services were re-assigned to the general box car pool and would, therefore, possibly be seen as far afield as Southwestern British Columbia? In the 1950s, it was a common practice for the CPR to send empty US box cars at Vancouver to the PGE in Squamish for lumber loading to US destinations. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Greg Kennelly Burnaby, BC |
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Re: Early C&O Cabooses
Tony Thompson
Al Kresse wrote:
The ICC valuations were an effort to determine what the total capital value of each railroad was (to set fair rates of return). That project essentially failed, but the reports are superb snapshots of the railroads in the 'teens. All rolling stock is listed, with brief descriptions, and a value assigned to each class of car, or group of cars, or even individual pieces of equipment. These are not always accurate (I know of one report in which all equipment built before 1900 is shown as built in 1895, regardless of actual date), and sometimes other details are garbled, but generally the reports, now in US government archives, are most informative. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: Early C&O Cabooses
water.kresse@...
Eric,
What does that "Valuation Report" consist of . . . . am confused on how to interoperate these descriptions of 37 cabooses . . . asbeing shopped??? etc.?
Al Kresse.
From: "'Eric Neubauer' eaneubauer@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 1:10:44 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Early C&O Cabooses Apparently no question about that. Checked the valuation report which has the following:
3 at Richmond 1901
9 at Huntington 1902
1 at Huntington 1905
20 at Huntington in 1907
1 at Huntington in 1907
1 at Covington 1907
1 at Covington 1907
1 at Huntington 1908
Eric N.
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Re: Early C&O Cabooses
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
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Apparently no question about that. Checked the
valuation report which has the following:
3 at Richmond 1901
9 at Huntington 1902
1 at Huntington 1905
20 at Huntington in 1907
1 at Huntington in
1907
1 at Covington 1907
1 at Covington 1907
1 at Huntington 1908
Eric N.
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Re: Early C&O Cabooses
water.kresse@...
Thanks Eric! My gut feeling is some may have made in their own shops or possibly the HV Logan shops (only steel side-sills for mounting axles/journal pedestals). No equipment trusts for "cabeese" until 1924.
Al
From: "'Eric Neubauer' eaneubauer@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 11:58:57 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Early C&O Cabooses Nothing else mentioned in the Railway Age annual order summaries.
Eric N.
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Re: Early C&O Cabooses
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
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Nothing else mentioned in the Railway Age annual
order summaries.
Eric N.
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Re: Early C&O Cabooses
water.kresse@...
David and Eric,
Do you know if anyone other than ACF Huntington and Jeffersonville (total 108 purchased in lots of 12 to 25) supplied the C&O with August 9, 1901 style 4-wheel cabooses between 1901 and 1908?
Al Kresse
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Re: Early N&SS steel hoppers
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
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N&SS 1601o2199 are PSC built in 1900 and
illustrate their no side sill design. They are former AS&W of which some are
also in the photo. Relettering apparently included repainting.
Eric N.
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Early N&SS steel hoppers
David
American Steel: 1910
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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC
All three of these came back as invalid paths.
Thanks! -- Brian Ehni From: STMFC List <STMFC@...> Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...> Date: Friday, January 2, 2015 at 12:13 AM To: STMFC List <STMFC@...> Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /N&W Box 2.jpg Uploaded by : olin4812 <olin4812@...> Description : N&W B5 or 6 near Mineola, IA You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/N%26W%20Box%202.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN 15398 Regards, olin4812 <olin4812@...> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: Arguably the most interesting N&W 40-ft Boxcar
Benjamin Scanlon
I would appreciate shots of the B7a or bits of a B7a, shown close up. I think in the previous thread there was mention of one or two which still existed. There's a shot of an A&D B7a in hide service on the dreaded 'bay at the moment. Thanks to the NWHS for putting this kind of information in the public domain. You have to assume they are serious about their history. It's a pity this kind of thing is an exception. Ben Scanlon London, England |
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /N&W Box 2.jpg Uploaded by : olin4812 <olin4812@...> Description : N&W B5 or 6 near Mineola, IA You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/N%26W%20Box%202.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, olin4812 <olin4812@...> |
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /N&W Box 1.jpg Uploaded by : olin4812 <olin4812@...> Description : N&W B5 or 6 near Mineola, IA You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/N%26W%20Box%201.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, olin4812 <olin4812@...> |
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Updated SHAKE N TAKE list with the Alternates LAST CALL
Greg Martin
Hey Yuze Gize,
Here is the roster of those that
made the sign up for 2015 SHAKE N TAKE presentation. Remember this list is for
those that intend to make the event and are willing to build the model. If for
any reason things change and you wish to deleted form this list email me
separately. If you want to be considered as an alternate email
me directly.
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /MemorialDay2011 003.jpg Uploaded by : olin4812 <olin4812@...> Description : N&W Boxcar Photo 1 You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/MemorialDay2011%20003.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, olin4812 <olin4812@...> |
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Slag pot flatcar load.
I picked up a nice resin slag pot from Bob Forsythe out of Dyer IN. The instructions talk about mounting it on a modern TTX or NS 60 ft. As a 1957 modeler, I assume any 70 ton flat car would work? Anyone, point me to photos of similar loads in the steam era.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: (HO) Draft Gear Pockets... In General
Scaler164@...
Dennis,
I much appreciate the correction and elaboration... and I, for one, thank you very much for having made these! I have installed your gear boxes (with Sergent couplers to boot) on as many of my models as I can easily make them fit on, and will continue to do so in the future. It is THE standard for my collection, and there is no other option for narrow draft gear boxes or couplers for me.
John Degnan
From: "destorzek@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 5:08:22 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] (HO) Draft Gear Pockets... In General ---In STMFC@..., wrote :
The Sergent Engineering boxes are not a Sergent product - they are the Accurail boxes sold with the Sergent couplers.
John Degnan
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Re: (HO) Draft Gear Pockets... In General
destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <Scaler164@...> wrote : The Sergent Engineering boxes are not a Sergent product - they are the Accurail boxes sold with the Sergent couplers. John Degnan ========== They are a collaboration between Frank Sergent and myself. With the PROTO:HO Accumate, I set out to design a coupler compatible with the common HO scale magnetic couplers that would mount within the confines of a scale width center sill, and yeild a scale striker-to-striker distance between coupled cars. Frank set out to produce a reliable operating scale model of the AAR Type E coupler, initially grafting it to a shank that fit the common oversize box. In discussions, we came to realize that there was no reason why the Sergent coupler could not also be adapted to the near scale size box. Since Accurail had already tooled the box, we committed to supply them if Frank would tool his coupler with a shank to fit. We both see this interchangeability as a win for the RPM portion of the hobby in general. Kadee seems to be hung up on their traditional striker to pivot dimension. This appears to be a throw-back to their magnetic delayed uncoupling system, which, quite frankly, I see used very little these days. To get adequate swing for typical model curves, Kadee is forced to put a strange funnel shaped opening on their narrow boxes. I was familiar with prototype couplers that pivot very much closer to the coupler head, specifically the pilot couplers on steam locos that are pined right behind the head and function well enough. I decided that the important criteria was the width of the box, and moved the pivot outward to a point where it would function on our curves, Giving the box detailing that appears to be a continuation of the center sill, as it should be. A beneficial side effect is this moves the mounting screw from the traditional position, so our 0-80 screw is positioned where there is meat to tap a new thread, rather than falling in the same location as the existing 2-56 threaded hole. This design has no detrimental effect on the Sergent system, and they have adopted our mounting dimensions for their "scale width" couplers. Dennis Storzek Accurail, Inc. |
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Re: Arguably the most interesting N&W 40-ft Boxcar
Bill Welch
It sounds like any photos from this site, given its described position, would the underframe which I agree would be welcomed. I will be scanning the several photos I have for a Resinating Purveyor of Kits for development of same.
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