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Re: Working with etched parts

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Hi Clark,

I use Xuron #440 Photo Etch Scissors.

I try to orient the scissors so the part I want to keep is to the left of the blades.

This gives me a clear view of the cut I’m making as the upper blade is on the right.

If the cut point is surrounded by sprue, I trim that away so I can get a clean cut at the little bridge holding the piece I want.

Hope that makes sense.

If necessary I finish file the remains of that bridge with a Mascot 771 Half Round or 774 Flat File.

Cheers

Dave North   

 

 
Re: Help ID'ing RI covered hopper

Rich C
 

Nate, There is an article in Remember the Rock, Volume 6 Number 1. The author modified a Funaro & Camerlengo 1321 kit by removing the square hatches and replacing them with round PS2 hatches. Well done article, strongly recommended.

I have a kit just for that purpose. I am going to try and get some decals made as there are no commercial sets for this car.

Rich Christie

 


On Monday, December 29, 2014 10:09 AM, "'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
RI 59 – 99 were leased from USRE in 1957,58.  They were 22’ 8” IL, 1321 cubic feet, 50 ton capacity.  I do not know their original owner.
 
Steve Hile
 
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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 9:28 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Help ID'ing RI covered hopper
 
 
I'm trying to find out the history of this Rock Island covered hopper photographed in 1966. I'm curious who built it, the size of it, how long it was in service, and if there is a suitable HO scale model of it. Thanks,

Nate

RI 59 1966
 
 
RI 59 1966
RI 59 1966
 
 
 
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Re: Working with etched parts

Tim O'Connor
 

lol

I agree with Charlie, this is the method least likely to twist or malform
the part. I use a piece of hard masonite as a cutting board. But I often use
Xuron or other clippers too especially with stainless steel etches which are
less prone to damage than brass or phosphor-bronze.

Tim O'

Clark
I use a single edged razor blade and a piece of hardwood to remove the parts and then clean up with a mill file. After removing the part I then spend the next 20 minutes looking for it in the carpet.
Charlie Duckworth
Re: Lake boat Iron ore gradation

destorzek@...
 

The nicest representation of taconite loads I recall seeing were done by the late Arnt Gerrisen (sp?) to model the all rail movements that sometimes went across Lake Michigan on the Ann Arbor car ferries. Arnt used... wait for it... poppy seeds, the kind used on hotdog buns. THE only problem is mice are attracted to them, unless well sealed.

Dennis Storzek
Re: Working with etched parts

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

I use Xuron Professional Photo Etch Shear 791-90333 for all but the tiny
parts like Yarmouth eyebolts. For those, I use a new double edge razor blade
to cut them to the shaft length I need.



Nelson Moyer



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:46 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Working with etched parts





I just started my third SC&F tank car kit. I always have trouble getting the
etched parts off their sprues cleanly. Would like to know what works best
for others?

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Re: Working with etched parts

Pierre Oliver
 

Get a pair of Xuron shears designed for etched parts. Micro-Mark has them as do others
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 12/29/2014 2:45 PM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:

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I just started my third SC&F tank car kit. I always have trouble getting the etched parts off their sprues cleanly. Would like to know what works best for others?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Re: Working with etched parts

Charlie Duckworth
 

Clark
I use a single edged razor blade and a piece of hardwood to remove the parts and then clean up with a mill file. After removing the part I then spend the next 20 minutes looking for it in the carpet.

Charlie Duckworth
Re: Working with etched parts

Scott H. Haycock
 

Clark,

I use this tool: http://xuron.com/index.php/main/consumer_products/4/29



Scott Haycock

 


I just started my third SC&F tank car kit. I always have trouble getting the etched parts off their sprues cleanly. Would like to know what works best for others?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Re: Lake boat Iron ore gradation

Cyril Durrenberger
 

There could be many responses to your question. You indicated that 1957 was the era of interest. The first question that you need to answer is where did the ore come from and where was it mined. Was it from Minnesota or Michigan or somewhere else. Then was it natural iron ore or taconite.

In Minnesota the natural iron ore deposits began to be exhausted in the mid 1950's after a peak in shipments in 1953. The first taconite mine was completed in 1955 by Reserve Mining Company. This was followed by the Erie Mining Company which opened in 1957. In 1963 there was a law passed in Minnesota that caused the number of taconite plants to increase. To get a good summary of this activity I suggest that you read King's "The Missabe Road" which describes the iron ore production in MN and the transportation of it. There is a chapter on taconite. There are also some photos that show natural iron ore and others of taconite as loaded in ore cars. The color and texture of the natural ore varied depending on where it was mined and if it was processed prior to shipment to the docks. In the time period of interest to you there where three iron ranges in MN that were being actively mined, but the nature, texture, size and color of the iron ore mined
in each of these varied based on the location of the mine. Much of the natural ore was concentrated before shipping to remove as much of the non iron bearing minerals as possible before shipping. Except for a sintering plant in Crosby, MN, this was done with mechanical methods instead of chemical or thermal methods. Most often the ore was crushed (but not to the fine size used for taconite ore) and then "washed". Of interest, today the fine tailings from these washing plants are being processed to magnetically remove the iron.

For taconite ore the ore is mined, crushed to a very fine powder and the iron removed by magnets. The very fine iron is then placed in a slurry that contains binders (often limestone or bentonite is used), formed into pellets and heated to harden them for shipment. The pellets in MN are about 1/2" in diameter and are basically shaped like a round ball (spherical), but not exactly a real sphere.

The shipments of natural ore continued until the late 1990's, but with decreasing amounts as the shipments of taconite increased. But in the time period of interest to you it is most likely that most of the iron ore from MN was natural iron ore.

There are a few color movies that have been put on DVD that show some of the loaded ore cars which would give you an idea of how much variation there was in the shipped ore.

You might want to pose your question on the Orerail yahoo group where there are many experts in the mining and shipment of iron ore, with a focus on MN.

Cyril Durrenberger
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On Sun, 12/28/14, 'Brian J Carlson' prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Lake boat Iron ore gradation
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, December 28, 2014, 6:17 PM


 









Help: I'd like to load
some iron ore into  my hoppers but I have no idea if the
lake ore would be, for lack of a better term, "fine,
medium, or coarse." The ore would be arriving by Lake
boat in Erie Pa and be loaded into PRR trains from shipment
east to the LV and eventually end up a Bethlehem steel.
These are the semi famous train that were traveled the PRR
Shamokin branch and were photographed by many of our
favorite late steam era photographer. Having never been
around to see this operation, I don't know what the ore
should look like. As an example the scenic express link
below should take you to a page with different ore sizes. 
http://www.sceneryexpress.com/Loads_Ores/products/1291/2/0    Brian J. Carlson, P.E.Cheektowaga NY  









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Working with etched parts

Clark Propst
 

I just started my third SC&F tank car kit. I always have trouble getting the etched parts off their sprues cleanly. Would like to know what works best for others?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
N&W Boxcars in Grain Service in Columbus

Matt Goodman
 

Folks, 

I found this image in the Columbus Metropolitan Library’s digital collection.  It’s a nice image of outside braced boxcars at a Silo on the east side of Columbus.  The description from the Library follows; note that the exact year is unknown - any thoughts?

Below the description are links to the image on my dropbox and to a google map of the location.

Title:  Siding at Gwinn Milling Co. [graphic].
Publisher, Date: Columbus, OH : Citizen, [1940?].
Description: 1 photoprint : b&w ; 18 x 23 cm.
Summary: Railroad siding at the Gwinn Milling Co., located at 1915 E. Main St., Columbus, Ohio.
Subjects: Gwinn Milling Co.
Notes: Photo undated.
Library Link (may need a membership)

My Dropbox link:

Google Maps Location:

This location is shown in a couple of the Barringer N&W photos after the grade separation (I suspect that the grain loading image was prior to that).
Re: Backdating a gondola with a link

csxt5555
 

Yeah ribs are all separate pieces so changing the spacing isn't a problem.

Kevin Sprayberry

On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:41 PM, "'Eric Neubauer' eaneubauer@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

It's not too noticeable, but if space between first and second side post is=
wider that the others, this is generally a giveaway that 100-ton truck are=
designed for. Also the use of tubular side and ends plates is usually a mo=
re modern feature. Of course, that would be easy to change if you are cutti=
ng the sides down. I'll leave it to someone else to sug
Re: Backdating a gondola with a link

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


It's not too noticeable, but if space between first and second side post is wider that the others, this is generally a giveaway that 100-ton truck are designed for. Also the use of tubular side and ends plates is usually a more modern feature. Of course, that would be easy to change if you are cutting the sides down. I'll leave it to someone else to suggest possible prototypes. I can say it wouldn't do for any RDG cars though.
 
Eric N
 

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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Backdating a gondola with a link

 

What about making it a 70ton car?  It's nothing to put the sides in the CNC break and cut them down.  The dreadnaught ends can be cut down from 4 to 3.  Rivets could be added as well to match prototype.  Any prototypes to match those modifications to say get the date back to 53-55?

Kevin Spraybery


On Dec 29, 2014, at 11:33 AM, "'Eric Neubauer' eaneubauer@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

My guess is that nothing pre 1964 looks like this. It is a 100-ton design with 4 or 5' sides.
 
Eric N.
 
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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Backdating a gondola with a link

 

http://www.precisionsteelcar.com/kits_gon.html

Here is the link to the gondola I have. I know this thrall design was a 60's era car but any ideas on a prototype that could be done by "kit bashing" this one

Thanks
Kevin Sprayberry

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Re: Backdating a gondola with a link

csxt5555
 

What about making it a 70ton car?  It's nothing to put the sides in the CNC break and cut them down.  The dreadnaught ends can be cut down from 4 to 3.  Rivets could be added as well to match prototype.  Any prototypes to match those modifications to say get the date back to 53-55?

Kevin Spraybery


On Dec 29, 2014, at 11:33 AM, "'Eric Neubauer' eaneubauer@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

My guess is that nothing pre 1964 looks like this. It is a 100-ton design with 4 or 5' sides.
 
Eric N.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Backdating a gondola with a link

 

http://www.precisionsteelcar.com/kits_gon.html

Here is the link to the gondola I have. I know this thrall design was a 60's era car but any ideas on a prototype that could be done by "kit bashing" this one

Thanks
Kevin Sprayberry
Re: Help ID'ing RI covered hopper

Jack Mullen
 

Presumably the round hatches and steel running boards are retrofits. The Erie cars had square hatches and wood running boards as built.  I don't know whether they were modified while under Erie ownership.

August 1975 Model Railroader had an article by Gene Deimling on scratchbuilding one in styrene, including drawings.

Jack Mullen
Re: Help ID'ing RI covered hopper

Douglas Harding
 

I have the original slide from Jim Sands.

Lettering on the side I can read says:

Blt 8-34

Cu ft 1321

 

When Empty

Return To

Agt CRI&PRY

Iowa Falls IA

For Feed LDG

 

RPPD.

MA. 6 16 64

MILW

 

And the curved lettering appears to say

United States Railway Equip

 

 
Re: Backdating a gondola with a link

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

My guess is that nothing pre 1964 looks like this. It is a 100-ton design with 4 or 5' sides.
 
Eric N.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Backdating a gondola with a link

 

http://www.precisionsteelcar.com/kits_gon.html

Here is the link to the gondola I have. I know this thrall design was a 60's era car but any ideas on a prototype that could be done by "kit bashing" this one

Thanks
Kevin Sprayberry
UP flat car decals

Richard Townsend
 

I'm looking for HO decals for two UP flat cars, yellow lettering on oxide car, with "Route of the Streamliners." Champ used to have them, HC-98. Can anyone suggest a source for appropriate decals? Neither Microscale nor Herald King appear to have anything.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
Re: Help ID'ing RI covered hopper

Steve and Barb Hile
 

RI 59 – 99 were leased from USRE in 1957,58.  They were 22’ 8” IL, 1321 cubic feet, 50 ton capacity.  I do not know their original owner.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 9:28 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Help ID'ing RI covered hopper

 

 

I'm trying to find out the history of this Rock Island covered hopper photographed in 1966. I'm curious who built it, the size of it, how long it was in service, and if there is a suitable HO scale model of it. Thanks,

Nate

RI 59 1966

 

 

RI 59 1966

RI 59 1966

 

 

 

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Re: Help ID'ing RI covered hopper

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


A rare early covered hopper design including GACX 40006-40105 built GA circa 1937-38. Also ERIE 20000-20049 and DTI 11800-11814 built GSC in 1934. It's what the cement car would have looked like if they had stuck with 50-ton cars. RI 59-99 are apparently ex ERIE via USRE in 1957-58.
 
Eric N.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Help ID'ing RI covered hopper

 

I'm trying to find out the history of this Rock Island covered hopper photographed in 1966. I'm curious who built it, the size of it, how long it was in service, and if there is a suitable HO scale model of it. Thanks,

Nate

RI 59 1966

 
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