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Re: a Type X tank car modified to a 3 dome tank car?
Rufus Cone
Enhancing that photo and its neighbor (use left arrow), these appear
to be
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X ��� UTLX 1836�� 6100 Gal��� 3-compartment X-3� UTLX 3841 � 6500 Gal��� 3-compartment Rufus Cone Bozeman, MT On 12/26/2014 6:36 PM, 'gary laakso'
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3 bay panel side hoppers: who had em?
Brad Andonian
Fellas I have an old USH Max gray 3 bay panel side hopper. Can anyone provide a road that had these??? Thank you in advance, Brad |
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Re: N&W B7a boxcars - other owners?
James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
David,
Great info! Thanks.!
Jim Brewer
From: "jaydeet2001@... [STMFC]" To: "STMFC" Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 10:15:24 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: N&W B7a boxcars - other owners? "B7 had an interior height of 10' 0" and a Viking Roof:" I did some checking, and it seems that the 1920s Viking roof (which is NOT the familiar Viking Corrugated roof of the 1930s) was used on BS 50000-50999, while 51000-51999 had the very similar Climax Radial roof, so class B-7 had both types depending on which series a given car originated from. For B-7, 47500 had a Viking roof, while 47567 had a Climax radial. Now, how to tell them apart? It's not easy, but for the applications on class BS, the fascia at the top of the car end is thinner on the Viking roof, while the Climax roof has a fascia of varying thickness. Viking:
NWHS NW04862-Negative
From the side, the panels of the Climax roof were slightly wider, so the outermost seam caps were underneath the walkway end laterals, while the outermost seam caps of the Viking roof were just inboard of the laterals. http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS3230.jpeg http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS3231.jpeg NWHS NW-E27634-NW Mech Dwg
NWHS NW-E29820-NW Mech Dwg
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Re: N&W B7a boxcars - other owners?
David
"B7 had an interior height of 10' 0" and a Viking Roof:"
I did some checking, and it seems that the 1920s Viking roof (which is NOT the familiar Viking Corrugated roof of the 1930s) was used on BS 50000-50999, while 51000-51999 had the very similar Climax Radial roof, so class B-7 had both types depending on which series a given car originated from. For B-7, 47500 had a Viking roof, while 47567 had a Climax radial. Now, how to tell them apart? It's not easy, but for the applications on class BS, the fascia at the top of the car end is thinner on the Viking roof, while the Climax roof has a fascia of varying thickness. Viking: NWHS NW02380-Photo
Climax: NWHS NW04862-Negative
From the side, the panels of the Climax roof were slightly wider, so the outermost seam caps were underneath the walkway end laterals, while the outermost seam caps of the Viking roof were just inboard of the laterals. Viking http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS3230.jpeg Climax http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS3231.jpeg And finally, drawings for each. Viking NWHS NW-E27634-NW Mech Dwg
Climax NWHS NW-E29820-NW Mech Dwg
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Re: a Type X tank car modified to a 3 dome tank car?
Ok, I checked photos of 1-dome Type X tank cars and indeed they do all have
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the tall steps like in the photo. But I've never seen a photo of a Type X that was converted from a single dome, so this would be the first. Maybe there's a better shot of the car in the collection? Tim O' Yes, the closest one is a Type X converted to a 3-dome car at some point. It was not unusual for older tanks to be converted in the '30s and '40s to handle specialized commodities in small quantities. |
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Re: a Type X tank car modified to a 3 dome tank car?
I think that I can see the characteristic square UTLX safety placard holder on the end of the car behind the tender, so, I agree that it is an X-3 car.
Regards, Steve Hile
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gary laakso wrote:
And since this is the UP, that 3 dome tank car is coupled to a different type of 3 dome tank car :
The 4 step side stirrups, not end stirrups, the high running board and the larger center dome suggest to me that it is a modified Type X tank car.
The Richard Hendrickson photo collection contains photos of GATX cars exactly like the rear tank car in that photo. Not saying it's not UTLX, just saying it could be other things too.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: a Type X tank car modified to a 3 dome tank car?
I already had that photo on my hard drive and I agree with Tony, it struck me as a GATC tank car. I have over a dozen shots of UTLX 3-dome tank cars and this is the only one that looks remotely like this one. All of the others have more conventional UTLX style end platforms. Tim O'Connor gary laakso wrote: >> And since this is the UP, that 3 dome tank car is coupled to a different type of 3 dome tank car : >> http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Sep-Ogden/i-8P9ggSK/A >> The 4 step side stirrups, not end stirrups, the high running board and the larger center dome suggest to me that it is a modified Type X tank car. > The Richard Hendrickson photo collection contains photos of GATX cars exactly like the rear tank car in that photo. Not saying it's not UTLX, just saying it could be other things too. > Tony Thompson |
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Re: a Type X tank car modified to a 3 dome tank car?
David
Yes, the closest one is a Type X converted to a 3-dome car at some point. It was not unusual for older tanks to be converted in the '30s and '40s to handle specialized commodities in small quantities.
The other one was built (or rebuilt) as a 3-dome car. Might be an X-3. David Thompson |
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Re: a Type X tank car modified to a 3 dome tank car?
Tony Thompson
gary laakso wrote:
The Richard Hendrickson photo collection contains photos of GATX cars exactly like the rear tank car in that photo. Not saying it's not UTLX, just saying it could be other things too. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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a Type X tank car modified to a 3 dome tank car?
gary laakso
And since this is the UP, that 3 dome tank car is coupled to a different
type of 3 dome tank car :
The 4 step side stirrups, not end stirrups, the high running board and the
larger center dome suggest to me that it is a modified Type X tank car.
gary laakso
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Re: DECAL HELP
Benjamin Hom
Bill Pardie asked:
"I would like a recommendation for the best currently available decals for a [HO scale] Pennsylvania X23 boxcar. I am doing the later version with the circle keystone herald." To expand on Paul Doggett's answer, Westerfield D10001 is the set you need. https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=133_242&page=5 Ben Hom |
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Re: DECAL HELP
WILLIAM PARDIE
Thanks Ben. HO scale. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" Date:12/26/2014 12:33 (GMT-10:00) To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] DECAL HELP Bill Pardie asked: |
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Re: DECAL HELP
Benjamin Hom
Bill Pardie asked:
"I hope that everyone had a railroad treasure under their tree. I would like a recommendation for the best currently available decals for a Pennsylvania X-23 boxcar. I am doing the later version with the circle keystone herald." First, NO DASHES IN PRR CAR CLASSES. Second, what scale? Ben Hom |
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Re: Allen Flush Car Door
Richard, this article in Railway Master Mechanic has a photo and drawings: Eric Lombardhttps://archive.org/stream/railwaymastermec38newy#page/182/mode/2up On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Rhbale@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: DECAL HELP
paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
Westerfield do the Pennsy x23 and their decals are available separately. Paul Doggett UK Sent from Samsung mobile "WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote: Happy Holidays All: |
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DECAL HELP
WILLIAM PARDIE
Happy Holidays All:
I hope that everyone had a railroad treasure under their tree. I would like a recommendation for the best currently available decals for a Pennsylvania X-23 boxcar. I am doing the later version with the circle keystone herald. Thanks in advance for any help: Bill Pardie |
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Signature Press Winter Sale
Tony Thompson
Since it's Friday, I'll remind everyone that the Signature Press Winter Sale just has a few days to run, through Dec. 31. So if you'd like to take advantage of reduced prices on selected titles, you can check it out at:
www.signaturepress.com Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: N&W B7a boxcars - other owners?
James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
Both of these cars would be excellent kit conversions to be offered by a purveyor of resin parts/kits. They are basically ten panel side bodies applied on the underframes of the donor cars; the only "part" not readily available are the ends, which could be offered in resin. Decals would also be needed as well.
The N&W B7 and B7a were rebuilt from its BS class and variations thereof (BSa, BSb); the B7 had an interior height of 10' 0" and a Viking Roof:
B7
The B7a had an interior height of 10' 6" and either a Murphy panel roof or diagonal panel roof (I need to locate my N&W roof data sheet).
B7a
I hope this information helps.
Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD From: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" To: "STMFC" Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:07:13 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: N&W B7a boxcars - other owners? Garth Groff asked: From the Virginia Tech Norfolk Southern Collection: Ben Hom |
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Re: O scale decal help
Ken Soroos
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If you haven't found someone else to do this yet, please send me a cut or good photo of the herald and I'll see what I can do. Any dimensions you have would help. Ken Soroos On Dec 24, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: N&W B7a boxcars - other owners?
David
N&W drawing shows a rectangular-panel roof, though that was right around the time of the transition to diagonal panels.
https://nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=4238 More stuff here: NWHS Archives Documents
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