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Re: NYC 255000-256749, Lot 289B

golden1014
 

Hi Ray,
Great reply--thank you!  Richard would be proud.

Of course I'm modeling 1950 and now I don't know if the car will be appropriate.  I have the wood end version.  I was suspicious of the wood end lasting through to 1950 although I was assured by Steve Funaro that some wood cars lasted into 1953.  Darn vendors.  

Loks like your decals are not apprppriate for my era, but they look terrific.  I am tempted to do a NKP USRA car using your decals.  Did they last to 1950?

Nevertheless it's a cool car and an easy build and it will run around my layout a little bit, maybe more.  Thanks also for sending the photos because they are a big help.  Please do let me know if there's anything I can do for you in return.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


MILW combo door car

Clark Propst
 

A friend bought a Milwaukee combination door mini-kit from Chad Boas at the St Louis meet. He only has side views of the car. He called to ask if I knew what ends he should use on this Branchline body? There’s a photo in the Milw FC color guide showing a bit of the end. It looks like a R-3-4 ‘banana tape’ end to me. Thought I’d check with this group before he proceeds with my choice. Cars are in the 29xxx series.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Naperville Hotel rooms

Clark Propst
 

A friend told me a week ago they got the last of the double rooms at the RPM rate. I mentioned this to Joe. A few days later I was able to reserve double rooms for me and my traveling companions.
Don’t know if they are low on RPM rate rooms or not? I did receive a reply from Joe, below,  and thought I’d pass it on just in case...
 
 
Call Zack at the hotel at this #630 577 6004
He will get you the rooms at special prices.
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Well you know it's time to stop modeling for the night when...

Marty McGuirk
 

At least you guys only have one real @#$k tale.

I could go on for days....

Marty McGuirk


Re: NYC 255000-256749, Lot 289B

al_brown03
 

There's a partial photo of NYC 256291 in Nimke, "Connecticut River Railroads and Connections", vol 2, p 118.Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: new lumber load kit from Owl Mountain

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Tim, and others, here is a list of various loads on flat cars from photos in the Minnesota Historical Society. Yes, I know some of these are before "your era" but they should answer some of your complaints about the post Tony made about the lumber loads. There is even a photo of large timbers being loaded on a flat car. There are some photos showing how they loaded flat cars by hand. Note the large stacks of cut lumber that were being stored to be cured by air for a few months. This was a common practice many years ago.

There are several photos of poles loaded on several flat cars showing that this sort of thing was done (and in your era, what ever that is). There are a couple of views of lumber being loaded into box cars and one interesting one showing loading box parts into a box car. Just for fun I included some more photos of interesting loads on flat cars. There is even a photo of dirt being loaded on a M&StL flat car. Tony, sorry to leave you out, but I do not see any SP flat cars.

Loads of cut lumber of various heights

http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10012642&catirn=10463381

Loading large timbers on flat car

http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10153443&catirn=10788551

Loading lumber on flat cars

http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10106537&catirn=10726888
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10106536&catirn=10726886
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10266400&catirn=10726885
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10266402&catirn=10726887

Loading lumber in box cars

http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10012641&catirn=10463389
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10266399&catirn=10723527

Loading boards for boxes into a box car

http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10266384&catirn=10699541

Poles loaded on flat cars

http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10208206&catirn=10861836
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10176469&catirn=10834642
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10176444&catirn=10853286
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10176445&catirn=10834635
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10176481&catirn=10853285
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10176448&catirn=10834582
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10176443&catirn=10834579

Other flat car loads

http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10211728&catirn=10856113
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10214442&catirn=10847896
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10301917&catirn=10740999
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10117025&catirn=10743186
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10205358&catirn=10855721
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10206323&catirn=10854563
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10206324&catirn=10854564
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10111986&catirn=10736213
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10111987&catirn=10736215
http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/largerimage.php?irn=10192243&catirn=10831926

Cyril Durrenberger


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On Tue, 8/19/14, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] new lumber load kit from Owl Mountain
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 10:12 PM


 











Chuck, if you've ever seen a single photo of a 70 ton
flat car

with a load that looks like that, can you post a link to it?
For

my part, as I said, I will try to use the product to model
what

I have seen in photos of 70 ton cars.



http://www.owlmtmodels.com/lumber/LMRC_Test_Shot_-3A.jpg



On the other hand, real steam era modelers are in better
shape.

Tony posted a photo showing a smaller car (40-42 ft) and
probably

with 50 ton capacity on his blog --



http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/07/open-car-loads-forest-products.html



Tony's photo also shows a car loaded with huge milled
timbers! I've

never seen a load like that before, except on models. I
wonder if huge

timbers like that travelled very far, or were sent to a
creosote plant

to be treated, before making a long trip.



Tim O'



>This does look like a great product which I certainly
will try.

>As to the size of the loads, I would think that the size
of loads

>depends less on how much the shipper can load on a car
and

>much more on how much the buyer has ordered. Not
every

>load has to be maxed out on cubes or weight. If you put
a string

>of cars together, the shipper will likely try to
minimize the number

>of cars. But a single load or a load and a half may not
max out.

>Chuck Peck













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Re: new lumber load kit from Owl Mountain

Tim O'Connor
 

Chuck, if you've ever seen a single photo of a 70 ton flat car
with a load that looks like that, can you post a link to it? For
my part, as I said, I will try to use the product to model what
I have seen in photos of 70 ton cars.

http://www.owlmtmodels.com/lumber/LMRC_Test_Shot_-3A.jpg

On the other hand, real steam era modelers are in better shape.
Tony posted a photo showing a smaller car (40-42 ft) and probably
with 50 ton capacity on his blog --

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/07/open-car-loads-forest-products.html

Tony's photo also shows a car loaded with huge milled timbers! I've
never seen a load like that before, except on models. I wonder if huge
timbers like that travelled very far, or were sent to a creosote plant
to be treated, before making a long trip.

Tim O'

This does look like a great product which I certainly will try.
As to the size of the loads, I would think that the size of loads
depends less on how much the shipper can load on a car and
much more on how much the buyer has ordered. Not every
load has to be maxed out on cubes or weight. If you put a string
of cars together, the shipper will likely try to minimize the number
of cars. But a single load or a load and a half may not max out.
Chuck Peck


Re: Well you know it's time to stop modeling for the night when...

destorzek@...
 

---In STMFC@..., <omahaduck@...> wrote :

"Was just finishing up my DSS&A DS boxcar...  Thats when I spotted a large black finger print right on the door.  The Floquil black had leaked down the side of the bottle and on my fingers and when I picked up the model I made a perfect FBI finger print."

Well, jeez, the prototype had that finger print! Seriously, one of the last of those cars still around was in a lumber yard in Marquette. It was one of the cars that had been painted yellow for "merchandise service", and was now being used to store... wait for it... charcoal. Needless to say, the door was pretty black. It's a shame that car wasn't saved.

Dennis Storzek


Re: NYC 255000-256749, Lot 289B

Ray Breyer
 

Gentlemen,
At St. Louis RPM I bought one of F&C's NYC Lot 289B box cars.  According to
the CASO site the car is a 36-foot steel underframe box car, series 255000-256749,
built 1912, and were carreid on the roster until 1953.
I was wondering if anyone has any photos of the cars you could send along?  I
looked for a photo at all the photo dealers at the meet but couldn't find one, and
there is not one on the CASO site. 
John Golden

Hi John,


The thing to remember about NYC lot numbers is that they're really just purchase order numbers. To figure out which type of car you've got, you really need to cross-reference the lot with the general arrangement drawing number, which in this case is Q-14930. That drawing was ALSO used for lots 274-B, 278-B, 287-B and 293-B, for a total of 6000 cars.

And THAT broadens your photo search significantly. I have two photos of the NYC cars in lot 289-B, and five photos of the Big Four version of these cars from lot 287-B (plus a few others from similar lots on the same NYC diagram book page).

I also sell replacement decals for these F&C kits.


Now, hopefully you model the early 1920s, or like the CCC&StL. The NYC rebuilt all of their cars with new roofs and 7/7 inward rib steel ends in the mid-1920s. The Big Four cars seem to all have kept their wood ends into WWII.

Hope this helps!

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Well you know it's time to stop modeling for the night when...

Charlie Duckworth
 

Here's my latest 'time to stop'....
Was just finishing up my DSS&A DS boxcar.  Paint went down well, Westerfield decals with no silvering, I should have known a snake was in the wood pile.  I spent a hour or so using black, light brown, light gray and medium gray weathering the individual vertical boards.  Was pleased with how it was going and went out to the garage to give it a coat of Dullcote to seal the pencil colors.  During the process I decided to add a few drops of Floquil black to the Dullcote and overspray the roof.  Everything  was going well and I closed up the bottle of black and took the model downstairs to my work bench.  Thats when I spotted a large black finger print right on the door.  The Floquil black had leaked down the side of the bottle and on my fingers and when I picked up the model I made a perfect FBI finger print.
Quickly used what was close (nail polish remover for airbrush cleaning) and a handkerchief and blotted up the offending finger print and resprayed the door with my original color.  Back to the colored pencils and the door finally  looked like it did before the Floquil black came out.    


Charlie Duckworth


Re: new lumber load kit from Owl Mountain

Charles Peck
 

This does look like a great product which I certainly will try.
As to the size of the loads, I would think that the size of loads
depends less on how much the shipper can load on a car and
much more on how much the buyer has ordered.  Not every
load has to be maxed out on cubes or weight.  If you put a string
of cars together, the shipper will likely try to minimize the number 
of cars. But a single load or a load and a half may not max out. 
Chuck Peck


On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I saw that kit and indeed it looks pretty great -- but it seems like it is
too light a load for a 70 ton flat car, and because of the length of the pieces
it does not appear to be possible to put full stacks over a 53'6" flat car deck.
In looking through my collection of lumber loads (61 images on my hard drive)
ALL of the loads are stacked up higher and fill the available deck space.

Still, I'll probably get a couple of kits and see what I can make out of them.


          First point, if the flat car is weighted so it can run empty, the 2.25-ounce weight of the lumber is a bunch. I would not add ANY weight to my loads. Second, lumber loads were often large, as you say, but certainly not all. And if you want more panels, their kit 3012 has add-on panels, and you can go higher, or just buy three kits to do two cars, etc. 
           I have some loads that are really high, as high as a boxcar roof, others half that height. My point would be that these loads are FAR better than the cast resin that has been out there -- and that I have "put off" buying.

Tony Thompson





Re: new lumber load kit from Owl Mountain

Tony Thompson
 

I saw that kit and indeed it looks pretty great -- but it seems like it is
too light a load for a 70 ton flat car, and because of the length of the pieces
it does not appear to be possible to put full stacks over a 53'6" flat car deck.
In looking through my collection of lumber loads (61 images on my hard drive)
ALL of the loads are stacked up higher and fill the available deck space.

Still, I'll probably get a couple of kits and see what I can make out of them.


          First point, if the flat car is weighted so it can run empty, the 2.25-ounce weight of the lumber is a bunch. I would not add ANY weight to my loads. Second, lumber loads were often large, as you say, but certainly not all. And if you want more panels, their kit 3012 has add-on panels, and you can go higher, or just buy three kits to do two cars, etc. 
           I have some loads that are really high, as high as a boxcar roof, others half that height. My point would be that these loads are FAR better than the cast resin that has been out there -- and that I have "put off" buying.

Tony Thompson




Re: new lumber load kit from Owl Mountain

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

I saw that kit and indeed it looks pretty great -- but it seems like it is
too light a load for a 70 ton flat car, and because of the length of the pieces
it does not appear to be possible to put full stacks over a 53'6" flat car deck.
In looking through my collection of lumber loads (61 images on my hard drive)
ALL of the loads are stacked up higher and fill the available deck space.

Still, I'll probably get a couple of kits and see what I can make out of them.

Tim O'Connor

Owl Mountain Models has just released a superb new kit for flat car lumber loads. I will be doing a brief review of the kit in the Southern Pacific Society magazine, _Trainline_ in the upcoming issue, but a more extensive write-up has been posted to my blog. If you're interested it's at this link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/08/open-car-loads-lumber-from-owl-mountain.html

Tony Thompson


Re: CAD library

nvrr49@...
 

"...The problem is, I don't want to own the machine, just use the service. While I don't have any particular love for Shapeways, they do have an easy to deal with business model, and apparently a rather large user base to keep the lights on. I've been hoping that when something that offers greater resolution comes along, that Shapeways will add thet to the multiple processes they already run. Of course, they would have to price it at a point where people would use it, but lower capital costs for the machines would help trim the price..
Dennis  Storzek"

I think you are on target Dennis.  

I do some outside work on my printer, I have an Afinia now, but it would do very little that would be good for this group.  For structures, if designed right, it can work great.  

I will do the same with the SLA printer when it arrives, but based on the learning curve with the Afinia, I would guess it will be spring before I am comfortable doing projects for others.  It is just a fun sideline, not a full time business.  I play with it when I get time...I have been working on the Salida roundhouse for a gentleman for six months, still working on test prints to get things to look right.  I will have some samples at the National Narrow Gauge Convention next month, http://www.kansascity2014.com/

Some of the structures I have printed can be seen at these links:






NYC 255000-256749, Lot 289B

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,

At St. Louis RPM I bought one of F&C's NYC Lot 289B box cars.  According the the CASO site the car is a 36-foot steel underframe box car, series 255000-256749, built 1912, and were carreid on the roster until 1953. 

I was wondering if anyone has any photos of the cars you could send along?  I looked for a photo at all the photo dealers at the meet but couldn't find one, and there is not one on the CASO site.  

Neat little model, and easy build too.  Thanks for the help!

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL



PRR 1954 & 1958 Freight Rosters

John Sykes III
 

Hey guize!

Just uploaded a roster of PRR freight equipment from the 1954 & 1958 ORER in Excel spreadsheet format.  Now if you want to know how many hoppers were lost of gained in that timeframe, it's a piece of cake.  I did not include as much info in this roster as the DL&W* and Erie rosters I previously posted since there is already a lot of info on line, particularly the diagrams on Rob Schoenberg's great website and Jerry Britton's Keystone crossings.  Also, production of many PRR classes covered up to a decade or more, so it is sometimes difficult to tell exactly when a specific car was built.  Have fun and if you see any major issues, let me know.  I will try to correct them as warranted.


-- John


* Corrected/improved version of DL&W roster should be up in a day or two at the max.


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Re: NC&STL XM 32 (NOT HM 32) rebuilds

Ray Breyer
 

Inward rib Hutchins ends, along with inward 7/7 rib and Vulcans,  have been CAD drawn and printed by Shapeways. They're not commercially available (yet).
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

From: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NC&STL XM 32 (NOT HM 32) rebuilds

Marty McGuirk wrote:
"You could build your own. The trickiest part to fabricate will be the ends. I think someone used to make them (John Greene at Bethlehem Car Works, maybe????)"
 
Westerfield offers the Hutchins ends from their Southern Class SU boxcar kits, but the inverse Hutchins ends aren't availables AFAIK.  Andy Clermont fabricated them from styrene for D&H 36 ft DS boxcar kibashes from the MDC kit years ago (see John Nehrich's "D&H's 1907 Wooden Boxcars" in the December 1987 issue of RMC) - Archer rivets would make this approach far more refined than Andy's efforts 27(!) years ago.






 
"If you can't locate separate ends or the Sunshine kit suggest using a similar car - like the Funaro 3406 D&H boxcar with Reverse Hutchins Ends as a starting point. The Funaro kits are going to be far easier to source than the Sunshine Model."

Keep your eyes open - Funaro kits are readily available on the open market, and you can often get Funaro kits below list price directly from him at shows if you buy in quantity.
http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/3400.html

 
 
Ben Hom


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Re: NC&STL XM 32 (not HM 32) rebuilds

Allan Smith
 

Steam Era Freight Car Reference  Manual Volume One Box & Automobile Cars  from Speedwitch Media.

Al Smith


On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:20 PM, "pburr47@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Sorry, I'm kind of new to all this...I don't recognize "SEFCRM" and can't find through Google. I assume it's Steam Era Freight Car something, of course. If anyone has one of the Sunshine kits that they would be willing to sell, please let me know.



time to rethink modeling

ed_mines
 

 I had a side buckle when I put decal setting solution on an Ambroid PRR X23 box car.

 

I was heart broken. A beautiful model for the era.

 

I always sealed wood after that.

 

Ed Mines

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