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Re: West India Fruit Box cars

al_brown03
 

The WIF 100-series cars are 10' IH versions of the 1923 ARA steel boxcar; WIF acquired ten in early 1949 from the High Point, Thomasville, & Denton. The ORER series was 100-199 but the photos I've seen are all of cars numbered 10x, so I suspect only numbers 100-109 were filled. They were funny-looking to say the least, and are modelled by Sunshine kit 102.12.

WIF 200-349 were built by AC&F in January 1952 (Lot #01-3593). Some published photos:
WIF 210, Bramson, "Speedway to Sunshine", p 65
WIF 231, English, MM 5/88 pp 52-54
WIF 269, RMJ 10/90 p 55
WIF 289 (builder's photo): Kaminski, "American Car & Foundry", p 191
WIF 314, Henderson, "Classic Freight Cars vol 1", p 43

The combination of 12-panel welded sides, 10'6" IH, 1+3/4 "Dartnaught" ends, a rectangular-panel roof, and an 8' Improved Youngstown door is unusual ... again, to say the least! English modified a Front Range kit; at this point I think I'd start with a C&BT Shops #11500. Remove the "darts" from the ends, sand off the side rivets, replace the crummy details with good ones, and you're close.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: West India Fruit Box cars

Bill Welch
 

Depends on what your definition of "reasonable" is. The roof and ends are entirely wrong.
Bill Welch


Re: PRR K7 stock car questions

proto48er
 

Rich - Thank you very much! 


Re: West India Fruit Box cars

T.J. Stratton
 

Jerry Glow now offers decals for the 200 series cars in all scales.  Does anyone know if the old cars produced in the late 1980's by Front Range would fit the bill as a reasonable start?  They had welded side 6 and 8 ft. door cars available.  I know my "basement" hobby shop must have several of them!

TJ Stratton Maumee, OH. "Modeling the 1950's branch lines of the Michigan Central Railroad in southern Michigan" Mailto:michigancentralrr@...


To: STMFC@...
From: eaneubauer@...
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 17:29:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: West India Fruit Box cars

 

HPT&D 400-424 built SSC Balt 8-29. General arrangement 54515, should be in PA State Archive collection.
 
Eric

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 4:30 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: West India Fruit Box cars

 
The cars cars in the 100 series were built by the High Point, Thomasville and Denton RR in North Carolina for furniture loading. They are equipped with early Duryea underframes. The went to WIF in the late 1940's. Sunshine did kits while F&C claims to have released these as well.
The 200 series were built by AC&F and were welded cars with their very odd welded roof that is developmental stages by a purveyor of resin kits. The cars were 10' 6"interior height.
Bill Welch




Re: West India Fruit Box cars

Dave Sarther
 

For STMFC modelers who choose to model in O-Scale two rail or Proto 48, Norm Buckhart of Protocraft Models offers a set of decals for the WIF cars in the 200 series with a note that there were two steamship profiles used.  He has also posted two additional photos as reference.  Check out Norm's site: http://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=16&Categoryid=20
 
Later,  Dave Sarther     Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Neubauer
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: West India Fruit Box cars

 

HPT&D 400-424 built SSC Balt 8-29. General arrangement 54515, should be in PA State Archive collection.
 
Eric
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 4:30 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: West India Fruit Box cars

 
The cars cars in the 100 series were built by the High Point, Thomasville and Denton RR in North Carolina for furniture loading. They are equipped with early Duryea underframes. The went to WIF in the late 1940's. Sunshine did kits while F&C claims to have released these as well.
The 200 series were built by AC&F and were welded cars with their very odd welded roof that is developmental stages by a purveyor of resin kits. The cars were 10' 6"interior height.
Bill Welch


MDC HO Express Reefer Prototype (was Re: End Views - Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver))

Benjamin Hom
 

Tom Dill asked:
"Speaking of reefers, is the MDC 50 ft. express reefer close to actual REA reefer?"

No.  The roof curvature is far too shallow to match any REA reefer.  It's actually a good starting point for Lehigh Valley milk cars.  See "Lehigh Valley's 'New' Milk Cars" in the January 1993 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.

Ben Hom


Re: Interesting car movements

Jim Betz
 

Clark,

Aren't those NP car numbers simple flat cars?
Why not simply lumber loads delivered to somewhere in
Iowa from the PNW (NP or otherwise)? Which is, after
all, the most common load on any PNW flat car ... and
after they've been unloaded ... well, Peoria seems as
likely a place to send them as any other place within
one to two hundred miles of Ft. Dodge, Iowa.

My understanding is that car movement rules ('back
towards their home road') were violated "any time there
was a load going somewhere/anywhere ... needing that
car type".
Yes, if they had a load going towards the home road
and another load (and car) that could go the other way
then they would (or just could?) route cars the way
the 'rules' recommended. But "need always trumped
the recommended". And the revenue for getting a car
loaded was always significantly greater than any
demurrage charge.

Especially on any given day. And it seems un-likely that
the M&StL had a lot of flat cars in their own fleet - so
any load/need would be much more likely to be satisfied
with a 'captured' car ...
- Jim Betz

________________________________________________________________________
1a. Interesting car movements
Posted by: cepropst@q.com rockroll50401
Date: Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:17 am ((PDT))

I’ve had a chance to see an M&StL train list from Oct. 21, 1952. The train, 196, ran from Ft Dodge to Des Moines Ia. had 19 loads 3 empties.

First two cars ahead of the caboose were NP 61143, 61101 listed as empty flats headed for Peoria. My first thought was why are these empty cars heading the wrong way? Are they an articulated set? Then I remembered there were large heavy equipment builders in Peoria. Were those cars assigned there? Next, why are these cars off on a secondary mainline? To get to Peoria they’ll travel from Ft Dodge to Des Moines, then on the Q (via trackage rights) to Oskaloosa Ia. before being added to a Peoria bound train. They must have delivered some heavy equipment up that way? Maybe to the Gypsum mines around Ft Dodge? Was there implement plants there? Cars could have been assigned to one and delivered implements to rural Iowa?

Second interesting move is three PFE reefers 90703, 2381, 6689 and one MDT 10441. 90703 has a load of melons and the other three carried grapes. These cars are from Ft Dodge (where train originated) bound for the Wabash in Des Moines. To me not knowing, or caring, much about western produce movements I’d think the eastern gateway would be Omaha - Council Bluffs? The IC run from CB to Ft Dodge. Maybe that’s how the M&StL got the cars? The RI ran from CB straight to Des Moines. Why weren’t the cars routed that way? The Wabash had a line into CB. Why weren’t the cars delivered to them there?

Fun stuff to ponder...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Vendome Tank Car Company

Aley, Jeff A
 

Fun?  “Fun” would have been more focus on the pin-up girl (and the others made by that artist).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of fgexbill@...
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 11:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Vendome Tank Car Company

 

 

Sorry Jeff, I was trying to have some fun.

 

Bill Welch


RTR IntMt-P2k Tank cars & Viking roofs

Andy Carlson
 

April 4, 2014

Hello,
I have some HO tank cars which I am offering for sale. All are new, and in undisturbed condition. All are RTRs. Prices do not include shipping. 


LifeLike P2K ASSEMBLED tank cars-- $22.00/each
  KANOTEX 8K #8312 silver tank black outlined billboard red lettering
  KANOTEX same #8335
  KANOTEX same #8231 

Intermountain Assembled 8 K tank cars-priced at $22.00/each
  #46301-17 Roberson Process black tank car #121
  #46301-13 same, car #110
 
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  #46211-13 CGTX # 1001 black tank (Have two cars)
  #46211-14 CGTX # 1025 same#46211-15 CGTX # 1048 same (Have two cars)
  #46211-16 CGTX # 1063 same#46211-17 CGTX # 1070 same (Have two cars)

Centralia Car shops/Des Plaines Hobbies/Intermountain 40' Viking roofs ..$2.50/each.

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If interested, contact me off-list, please, at
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: End Views - Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

tomedill@frontier.com
 

Speaking of reefers, is the MDC 50 ft. express reefer close to actual REA reefer? thanks, Tom Dill


Re: West India Fruit Box cars

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


HPT&D 400-424 built SSC Balt 8-29. General arrangement 54515, should be in PA State Archive collection.
 
Eric

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 4:30 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: West India Fruit Box cars

 

The cars cars in the 100 series were built by the High Point, Thomasville and Denton RR in North Carolina for furniture loading. They are equipped with early Duryea underframes. The went to WIF in the late 1940's. Sunshine did kits while F&C claims to have released these as well.

The 200 series were built by AC&F and were welded cars with their very odd welded roof that is developmental stages by a purveyor of resin kits. The cars were 10' 6"interior height.
Bill Welch


Re: West India Fruit Box cars

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Regarding WIF 321, there's an ACF logo right next to the new date. Lot 01-3593. ACF proprietary ends.
 
Regarding WIF 106, interesting car apparently with Duryea underfame, so evidently built late 1920s through 1930s. Built date could be 7-34. I'm looking forward to other comments.
 
Eric N.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: John Barry
To: STMFC
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] West India Fruit Box cars

 

Have found a couple of interesting  photos in the Vancouver collection
Data from the 53 ORER
101-199, 10 cars, 40 6 IL, 10 IH, 6ft doors
200-349, 150 cars 40 6 IL, 10 6 IH, 8ft doors

Looks to me that the 200 series cars were purchased new as a block in 52.  They look like 12 panel cars with 4-4 ends, but I do not find WIF in either the PS or post war AAR lists.
The 106 a flat end and what looks to me to be square corner posts.  These may have come to WIF second hand as they do not show up in the 45 Oct ORER.  


I am looking for kits to use as a basis, first thought are the Intermountain kits, a 1937 box for the 106 and a 12 panel 40' box for the 321.  Thoughts?

 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Re: West India Fruit Box cars

Justin May <jmay59@...>
 

200-349, 150 cars 40 6 IL, 10 6 IH, 8ft doors

I am looking for kits to use as a basis, first thought are the Intermountain kits, a 1937 box for the 106 and a 12 panel 40' box for the 321. Thoughts?
Looks to me that the 200 series cars were purchased new as a block in 52. They look like 12 panel cars with 4-4 ends, but I do not find WIF in either the PS or post war AAR lists.
John,
WIF 200-349 (WIF class XM-2) were constructed by ACF in January 1952 and were later sold to ACL in 1962 becoming the O-27A class of boxcars numbered ACL 24500-24649.

The best available option, though it may take some time to locate, is the former Branchline (now Atlas) 1500 series boxcar (10'6", 8' door opening). The major spotting features of this car include the Dartnaught ends, the IDP roof (though it also appears some of these post war built cars featured a unique ACF roof), and six panel welded construction. Being that Branchline's car is riveted, you will need to remove the riveted panels, sand the surface to remove any raised details, and then scribe or apply Archer raised panel lines to simulate the welded sides. At one point in time, Branchline considered producing the welded 40' variation, but it never came to fruition for reasons unknown to me.

Justin May


Re: West India Fruit Box cars

Bill Welch
 

The cars cars in the 100 series were built by the High Point, Thomasville and Denton RR in North Carolina for furniture loading. They are equipped with early Duryea underframes. The went to WIF in the late 1940's. Sunshine did kits while F&C claims to have released these as well.
The 200 series were built by AC&F and were welded cars with their very odd welded roof that is developmental stages by a purveyor of resin kits. The cars were 10' 6"interior height.
Bill Welch


Re: Interesting car movements

spsalso
 

Articulated cars that I know of have a single number for the whole set.  So I doubt that two NP flats with different numbers would be articulated.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


West India Fruit Box cars

John Barry
 

Have found a couple of interesting  photos in the Vancouver collection
http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/west-india-fruit-and-steamship-co-boxcar-321
http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/west-india-fruit-and-ss-steamship-co-boxcar-106
Data from the 53 ORER
101-199, 10 cars, 40 6 IL, 10 IH, 6ft doors
200-349, 150 cars 40 6 IL, 10 6 IH, 8ft doors

Looks to me that the 200 series cars were purchased new as a block in 52.  They look like 12 panel cars with 4-4 ends, but I do not find WIF in either the PS or post war AAR lists.
The 106 a flat end and what looks to me to be square corner posts.  These may have come to WIF second hand as they do not show up in the 45 Oct ORER.  


I am looking for kits to use as a basis, first thought are the Intermountain kits, a 1937 box for the 106 and a 12 panel 40' box for the 321.  Thoughts?

 
John Barry


ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights


707-490-9696


3450 Palmer Drive, Suite 4224
Cameron Park, CA 95682


Re: Interesting car movements

npin53
 

I'm not aware of any articulated flat cars on the NP.  My first thought was that they may have been routed to one of the implement or tractor factories in that area. 

Fun to ponder indeed.

Aaron Gjermundson


Re: End Views – Reefers & Hopper At Swift & Company (Denver)

David Allen
 

Bob Chaparro offered the url:
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/34939/rec/38
showing cars at a Swift packing plant in Denver. One of the cars, UP 80768, is, I believe a ballast car - data below.

Be well, all; keep on shoveling.� Dave Allen

=======================================================================
UP_80853 ballast car dimensional data RyAge v32 1901
=======================================================================
Railway Age v32, 1901

Length over end sills ------------------ 40' 0"
Length inside of body ------------------ 32' 7 1/4"
Width over all -------------------------� 9' 4"
Width inside of body -------------------� 8' 8 1/2"
Height from rail to top of body --------� 8' 3"
Height to top of brake shaft -----------� 5' 5 1/4"
Height to top of center sill -----------� 3' 3 1/2"
Distance between truck centers --------- 31' 1"
Size of journals ----------------------- 5 1/2" x 10"
Wheel base of trucks -------------------� 5' 6"
Center of journals ---------------------� 6' 5"
Weight of car empty --------------------� 37,600 lbs.
Capacity loaded with coal -------------- 100,000 lbs.
Capacity loaded with ballast ----------- 110,000 lbs



Re: Vendome Tank Car Company

Bill Welch
 

Sorry Jeff, I was trying to have some fun.

Bill Welch


Re: Vendome Tank Car Company

al_brown03
 

Well, VENX tank cars must've passed Vendome, Montana, during the steam era (albeit behind electrics); it's interesting that that's the only connection between the two.

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

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