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Re: More Albrecht photos
midrly
Consider the amount of dust thrown on a car at 80 MPH or better in a passenger train. Soot from the loco immediately ahead of these cars. Plain bearing journal boxes threw off copious quantities of oil that had been wicked out of the box by the journals on to the wheel faces. Heavy braking approaching a passenger station stop would heat the wheel plates up and start to burn that oil on the wheel faces. Lots of smoke! Working steam or power braking against brake applications (to prevent slack run-in shaking up the passengers and RPO staff) would require more braking effort==hotter wheels. Cast iron brake shoes that all rolling stock was fitted with in the STMFC era would throw off sparks to add to the effect. Many express reefers and express box cars would be used in local passenger trains making multiple stops, and braking heavily to keep up to a tight schedule when station work was taken into account--there are few photos of the "Limiteds" with much head-end traffic. Certainly the Super Chief, Broadway Limited, or 20th Century did not handle head end traffic. And car washing machines did not see many of these cars. All add up to head-end cars dirtying very quickly. Steve Lucas.
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Re: Solvaset
I will second Chuck's comment. When I finally ordered a new bottle, it was WAAAAY more aggressive. I had to water it down a bit to use ! So Schuyler, when you get that new
bottle, exercise caution using it.
Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of Charles Peck [lnnrr152@...]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:58 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Solvaset Yes, there are volatiles in Solvaset that evaporate, most active first, leaving a weaker solution with age.
Chuck Peck
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Paging Bill Hanley
Jason Greene
Please contact me off list.
Jason Greene
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Re: Solvaset
Schuyler Larrabee
Ah, then the solution (no puns intended) is likely to get a new bottle . . .
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Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Charles Peck Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:58 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Solvaset Yes, there are volatiles in Solvaset that evaporate, most active first, leaving a weaker solution with age. Chuck Peck
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Schuyler Larrabee
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote: Chuck, are you saying that Solvaset weakens with age? If so, that is likely the issue I'm having as I've had this bottle for a couple of decades . . . Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Charles Peck Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:46 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Solvaset If you don't wish to try slitting the film, you could separate a small portion of new Solvaset and dilute it 50/50 with the old weaker Solvaset and try that mixture. If not quite right, add another portion of new until you get a strength that works. Chuck Peck On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote: Oh, perhaps. Could be. Maybe. J Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of William Darnaby Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:16 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Solvaset This wouldn't be a certain shake and take reefer would it? Just curious. Bill Darnaby From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Solvaset I have an OLD bottle of Solvaset, having always preferred Champ's Decal-set. But Solvaset's always had the rep of being able to really settle decals into scribing or whatever. This bottle seems to be not so effective as all that. I'll buy a new bottle soon, but I noticed that the cap of this bottle has some whitish solid (more or less) "stuff" accumulated in it. Standing the bottle on the cap overnight and shaking it (not at the same time, of course!) doesn't seem to make it dissolve. Any thoughts about this: I have a decal on the model which is VERY resistant to settling into the scribing on the model. VERY! Schuyler --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Re: Solvaset
Dennis Storzek
IF it's last years shake 'n take car, the grooves are some of the finest in HO scale, .005" wide and .0025" deep... hardly the Grand Canyon. And, unlike dealing with the old Northeastern scribed wood of yesteryear, where the grooves were so deep that the cut decal is lost in the shadow, these grooves are shallow enough that the background carside color will show through the slits.
Sounds like the decals came from the Bulletproof Decal Co. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Solvaset
Jack Burgess <jack@...>
<I've been >bathing< the decal in question with Solvaset for a few days, <and it resists most everything. I'm going to let things dry out and <then do one more application and settle for what I get then. < < < <Schuyler If you are applying Solvaset and then letting the decal dry for a day and adding another application of Solvaset, I don't think that is going to work. To conform to rivets, etc., the decal needs to actually expand a little (which I think is the main purpose of the decal solvent/solution) and then contract as it dries. But if the decal film is "thick" or the groves in the siding are too wide, it won't work. But if you let the decal dry and then cut through the decal film and then add another coat of Solvaset, the decal should be able to conform to the groves since it doesn't need to expand...
Jack Burgess
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Re: Solvaset
Yes, there are volatiles in Solvaset that evaporate, most active first, leaving a weaker solution with age. Chuck Peck
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
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Re: Solvaset
Schuyler Larrabee
I've been >bathing< the decal in question with Solvaset for a few days, and
it resists most everything. I'm going to let things dry out and then do one more application and settle for what I get then. Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of frograbbit602@... Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:10 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] RE: Solvaset After setting decal with Champ's Decal Set in past years and Microscale Micro Set and Micro Sol today I use Solvaset as the final coat to set the decal. I find with Solvaset you go over the decal only once and let it dry as if you get it too wet with Solvaset the decal can be destroyed. And, on scribed surface I agree with Jack Burgess that using a xacto blade or a single edge razor blade to cut thru the decal and recoating with the Solvaset works best. If you decide to cut thru the decal with either choose a new blade as an older one due to losing sharpness could tear rather than cut the decal. Lester Breuer
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Re: Solvaset
Schuyler Larrabee
Well, IF it was that kit, that would be what I had to do. I have a dental
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pick and have had to press down along the grooves, and the edge of the herald (yeah, herald) seemed to want to rise up. I was reluctant to do the razor blade slicing, which I've done often enough before, but it appears that is the only answer for this thing. That's all if it IS that kit. Might be. Jim Singer had an explanation of why those decals were like that, which I don't recall clearly so I won't repeat it here. Want to avoid misinformation. Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of William Darnaby Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:15 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Solvaset If it is...maybe...I can report that I had a miserable time getting it to settle and was not entirely successful as those with sharp eyes would have noticed on my model at Cocoa Beach. I had to do what Jack recommended and slice the decal in the grooves, work it with full strength Solvaset and even press it down with a brush. It was not pleasant. Bill Darnaby
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:40 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Solvaset Oh, perhaps. Could be. Maybe. J Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of William Darnaby Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:16 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Solvaset This wouldn't be a certain shake and take reefer would it? Just curious. Bill Darnaby From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Solvaset I have an OLD bottle of Solvaset, having always preferred Champ's Decal-set. But Solvaset's always had the rep of being able to really settle decals into scribing or whatever. This bottle seems to be not so effective as all that. I'll buy a new bottle soon, but I noticed that the cap of this bottle has some whitish solid (more or less) "stuff" accumulated in it. Standing the bottle on the cap overnight and shaking it (not at the same time, of course!) doesn't seem to make it dissolve. Any thoughts about this: I have a decal on the model which is VERY resistant to settling into the scribing on the model. VERY! Schuyler --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Re: Solvaset
william darnaby
If it is...maybe...I can report that I had a miserable time getting it to
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settle and was not entirely successful as those with sharp eyes would have noticed on my model at Cocoa Beach. I had to do what Jack recommended and slice the decal in the grooves, work it with full strength Solvaset and even press it down with a brush. It was not pleasant. Bill Darnaby
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:40 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Solvaset Oh, perhaps. Could be. Maybe. J Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of William Darnaby Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:16 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Solvaset This wouldn't be a certain shake and take reefer would it? Just curious. Bill Darnaby From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Solvaset I have an OLD bottle of Solvaset, having always preferred Champ's Decal-set. But Solvaset's always had the rep of being able to really settle decals into scribing or whatever. This bottle seems to be not so effective as all that. I'll buy a new bottle soon, but I noticed that the cap of this bottle has some whitish solid (more or less) "stuff" accumulated in it. Standing the bottle on the cap overnight and shaking it (not at the same time, of course!) doesn't seem to make it dissolve. Any thoughts about this: I have a decal on the model which is VERY resistant to settling into the scribing on the model. VERY! Schuyler --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Re: Solvaset
Schuyler Larrabee
Chuck, are you saying that Solvaset weakens with age? If so, that is likely
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the issue I'm having as I've had this bottle for a couple of decades . . . Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Charles Peck Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:46 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Solvaset If you don't wish to try slitting the film, you could separate a small portion of new Solvaset and dilute it 50/50 with the old weaker Solvaset and try that mixture. If not quite right, add another portion of new until you get a strength that works. Chuck Peck
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Schuyler Larrabee
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote: Oh, perhaps. Could be. Maybe. J Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of William Darnaby Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:16 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Solvaset This wouldn't be a certain shake and take reefer would it? Just curious. Bill Darnaby From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Solvaset I have an OLD bottle of Solvaset, having always preferred Champ's Decal-set. But Solvaset's always had the rep of being able to really settle decals into scribing or whatever. This bottle seems to be not so effective as all that. I'll buy a new bottle soon, but I noticed that the cap of this bottle has some whitish solid (more or less) "stuff" accumulated in it. Standing the bottle on the cap overnight and shaking it (not at the same time, of course!) doesn't seem to make it dissolve. Any thoughts about this: I have a decal on the model which is VERY resistant to settling into the scribing on the model. VERY! Schuyler --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Re: Solvaset
frograbbit602
After setting decal with Champ's Decal Set in past years and Microscale Micro Set and Micro Sol today I use Solvaset as the final coat to set the decal. I find with Solvaset you go over the decal only once and let it dry as if you get it too wet with Solvaset the decal can be destroyed. And, on scribed surface I agree with Jack Burgess that using a xacto blade or a single edge razor blade to cut thru the decal and recoating with the Solvaset works best. If you decide to cut thru the decal with either choose a new blade as an older one due to losing sharpness could tear rather than cut the decal.
Lester Breuer
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Re: Solvaset
If you don't wish to try slitting the film, you could separate a small portion of new Solvaset and dilute it 50/50 with the old weaker Solvaset and try that mixture. If not quite right, add another portion of new until you get a strength
that works. Chuck Peck
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
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Re: Solvaset
Schuyler Larrabee
Oh, perhaps. Could be. Maybe. J
Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of William Darnaby Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:16 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Solvaset This wouldn't be a certain shake and take reefer would it? Just curious. Bill Darnaby From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Solvaset I have an OLD bottle of Solvaset, having always preferred Champ's Decal-set. But Solvaset's always had the rep of being able to really settle decals into scribing or whatever. This bottle seems to be not so effective as all that. I'll buy a new bottle soon, but I noticed that the cap of this bottle has some whitish solid (more or less) "stuff" accumulated in it. Standing the bottle on the cap overnight and shaking it (not at the same time, of course!) doesn't seem to make it dissolve. Any thoughts about this: I have a decal on the model which is VERY resistant to settling into the scribing on the model. VERY! Schuyler --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Re: Solvaset
Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
It will, but it's remarkable what it
won't touch.
Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.comOn 1/20/2014 4:27 PM, ed_mines@... wrote:
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Re: Solvaset
ed_mines
I'm more afraid that Solvaset will eat the newer thin film decals.
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Re: Solvaset
william darnaby
This wouldn't be a certain shake and take reefer would it? Just curious.
Bill Darnaby From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Solvaset I have an OLD bottle of Solvaset, having always preferred Champ's Decal-set. But Solvaset's always had the rep of being able to really settle decals into scribing or whatever. This bottle seems to be not so effective as all that. I'll buy a new bottle soon, but I noticed that the cap of this bottle has some whitish solid (more or less) "stuff" accumulated in it. Standing the bottle on the cap overnight and shaking it (not at the same time, of course!) doesn't seem to make it dissolve. Any thoughts about this: I have a decal on the model which is VERY resistant to settling into the scribing on the model. VERY! Schuyler --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Re: PRR/PCo built dates
Hi Eric,
I may be able to help you out but not until after the 25th as I am off in the wilds of the Southwest without dependable internet. If after that time you still need some help let me know. Eric Lombard At the Grand Canyon
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Re: Solvaset
Jack Burgess <jack@...>
I let the Solvaset do the best it can and then let the decals dry. The following day I'll use an new X-acto blade and carefully slice through the decal along the scribe marks and then apply another application of Solvaset. That has always worked well...
Jack Burgess
I have an OLD bottle of Solvaset, having always preferred Champ’s Decal-set. But Solvaset’s always had the rep of being able to really settle decals into scribing or whatever.
This bottle seems to be not so effective as all that. I’ll buy a new bottle soon, but I noticed that the cap of this bottle has some whitish solid (more or less) “stuff” accumulated in it. Standing the bottle on the cap overnight and shaking it (not at the same time, of course!) doesn’t seem to make it dissolve. Any thoughts about this:
I have a decal on the model which is VERY resistant to settling into the scribing on the model. VERY!
Schuyler __
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Solvaset
Schuyler Larrabee
I have an OLD bottle of Solvaset, having always preferred Champ’s Decal-set. But Solvaset’s always had the rep of being able to really settle decals into scribing or whatever.
This bottle seems to be not so effective as all that. I’ll buy a new bottle soon, but I noticed that the cap of this bottle has some whitish solid (more or less) “stuff” accumulated in it. Standing the bottle on the cap overnight and shaking it (not at the same time, of course!) doesn’t seem to make it dissolve. Any thoughts about this:
I have a decal on the model which is VERY resistant to settling into the scribing on the model. VERY!
Schuyler
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