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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of pullmanboss@...
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 6:34 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] RE: Re: ADMIN: Yahoogroup Changes

I am also sending this from the STMFC web site. I received an email from Yahoo earlier today &nbsp;saying they had fixed the line break problem with replies. This a test, putting&nbsp;two line feeds here<> &nbsp; I have done nothing with the quoted text, I presume it will appear below, with, if everything is fixed, Tim's line breaks intact. Single line feed here<> If they haven't fixed the problem (replying from the web page), all this text will be run together. If that's the case, I'll delete this message as soon as I see it. For what it&#39;s worth, I cannot reply only to Tim, so that remains an issue. Three line breaks, then my name<> &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I am sending this message from the Yahoo web site as an experiment, to see how it looks. I installed this FIREFOX PLUGIN that Jim Cook shared on the MFCL -- it reverts Yahoo groups to their old appearance.



http://ehibbert.org.uk/extension/install.html



Regards,



Tim O'Connor

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From: pullmanboss@...
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Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 9:34:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Re: ADMIN: Yahoogroup Changes






I am also sending this from the STMFC web site. I received an email from Yahoo earlier today saying they had fixed the line break problem with replies. This a test, putting two line feeds here<> I have done nothing with the quoted text, I presume it will appear below, with, if everything is fixed, Tim's line breaks intact. Single line feed here<> If they haven't fixed the problem (replying from the web page), all this text will be run together. If that's the case, I'll delete this message as soon as I see it. For what it's worth, I cannot reply only to Tim, so that remains an issue. Three line breaks, then my name<> Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@... , < stmfc@... > wrote:

I am sending this message from the Yahoo web site as an experiment, to see how it looks. I installed this FIREFOX PLUGIN that Jim Cook shared on the MFCL -- it reverts Yahoo groups to their old appearance.

http://ehibbert.org.uk/extension/install.html

Regards,

Tim O'Connor


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At 9/2/2013 09:34 PM Monday, you wrote:

I am also sending this from the STMFC web site. I received an email from Yahoo earlier today &nbsp;saying they had fixed the line break problem with replies. This a test, putting&nbsp;two line feeds here<> &nbsp; I have done nothing with the quoted text, I presume it will appear below, with, if everything is fixed, Tim's line breaks intact. Single line feed here<> If they haven't fixed the problem (replying from the web page), all this text will be run together. If that's the case, I'll delete this message as soon as I see it. For what it's worth, I cannot reply only to Tim, so that remains an issue. Three line breaks, then my name<> &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I am sending this message from the Yahoo web site as an experiment, to see how it looks. I installed this FIREFOX PLUGIN that Jim Cook shared on the MFCL -- it reverts Yahoo groups to their old appearance.



http://ehibbert.org.uk/extension/install.html



Regards,



Tim O'Connor

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Hi Tom,

The text is still a mess. This what I
received using Thunderbird E-mail.

Michael





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On 9/2/2013 9:34 PM, pullmanboss@... wrote:

I am also sending this from the STMFC web site. I received an email from Yahoo earlier today &nbsp;saying they had fixed the line break problem with replies. This a test, putting&nbsp;two line feeds here<> &nbsp; I have done nothing with the quoted text, I presume it will appear below, with, if everything is fixed, Tim's line breaks intact. Single line feed here<> If they haven't fixed the problem (replying from the web page), all this text will be run together. If that's the case, I'll delete this message as soon as I see it. For what it's worth, I cannot reply only to Tim, so that remains an issue. Three line breaks, then my name<> &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I am sending this message from the Yahoo web site as an experiment, to see how it looks. I installed this FIREFOX PLUGIN that Jim Cook shared on the MFCL -- it reverts Yahoo groups to their old appearance.



http://ehibbert.org.uk/extension/install.html



Regards,



Tim O'Connor

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--- In STMFC@..., &lt;stmfc@...&gt; wrote:

I am sending this message from the Yahoo web site as an experiment, to see how it looks. I installed this FIREFOX PLUGIN that Jim Cook shared on the MFCL -- it reverts Yahoo groups to their old appearance.



http://ehibbert.org.uk/extension/install.html



Regards,



Tim O&#39;Connor

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

A word to all. Don't forget the Archive for things like this. Type in "chameleon" and you will find various messages including my 115284 about how I ruined two UP Resin models using it.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Craig Zeni <clzeni@> wrote:

A word of caution on testing strippers - I bodged a paint job on a Smoky Mountain Model Works Tennessee Central box car. Into the Chameleon it went...the body casting had no issues but the resin doors and running board curled up into little resin blobs. Colorful language ensued.

Craig Zeni
"Bother..." said Pooh as he chambered another round.

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of water.kresse@...
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:56 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: C&O hopper photo needed



Rich,



They are looking for the triple saw-tooth Dreadnaught extended end version.



Al



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From: "Richard Yoder" <oscale48@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:38:58 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RE: C&O hopper photo needed

Hi All,
Is someone looking for a USRA style triple hopper photo with clam shell center doors?
Contact me off the list.

Sincerely,
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
Call between 6:00 PM and 9:00 PM EST
(C) 484-256-4068
(H) 610-678-2834
www.richyodermodels.com
http://oscaleresource.com

est 1999
IN GOD WE TRUST




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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of water.kresse@...
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:52 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: C&O hopper photo needed



Folks,



This is a classic case of being too general in the description of what one is looking for from prototype documentation -- i.e. please state if one is looking for a 50-ton or 70 -ton , ribbed-si de , offset-side, panel-side, and number of hopper bays, like center-clamshell, triple-saw-tooth, etc. to go with the extended Dreadnaught end-panels . This request has resulted in a review of available info and images showing that these cars in photos . . . but only documented from a distance in re venue service in large area (Armco Steel Ashland and Handley, WV) yard shots or closer-up in Cinder Se rvice livery .



Hopefully, somebody will have fun kit-bashing a USRA 70-ton hopper model into the requested mode configurationl.



Al Kresse . . . currently assisting in a group effort in updating and merging the C&O 1937 and 1846 Freight Car books last published by C&OHS in1986










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From: "Benjamin Hom" <b.hom@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 12:47:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New InterMountain C&O hopper

Don Valentine wrote:
"I do know that with so many books behind me in the bookcases that my wife, with a Master's in Civil Engineering, worries about the weight of them on the floor, and many photos in file cabinets elsewhere here, that I have seen very few photos of
N&W, Virginian or C&O hoppers in Maine, New Hampshire of Vermont.
In fact I cannot recall a single one of a C&O hopper though a very few
N&W and a few more
Virginian hoppers have been noted."
 
Of 1,251 cars in the data that I've pulled from Armand's collection, there are 5 N&W, zero VGN, and 3 C&O hoppers.
 
"On both the Rutland and the Central Vermont the most common hoppers seem to have always been B&O hoppers, at least in the late 1940's. To a lesser extent this seems to be true of the B&M as well. In the case of the CV in particular, I believe the coal used by the CV's steam power arrived in B&O hoppers for some years, having several photos of B&O hoppers being unloaded as CV coal tipples in St. Albans, White River Junction and Palmer. Pennsy hoppers certainly were present, both twins and quads, as were NYC, D&H, Reading and Lackawanna."
 
276 B&O
272 PRR
213 Total NYCS (123 NYC, 53 P&LE, 36 PMcK&Y, 1 B&A)
47 D&H
53 RDG
14 D&LW
 
 
"Less commonly seen were CNJ or CRP and very few LV, L&NE or other coal haulers."
 
4 CNJ
9 CRP
35 LV
9 LNE
 
"Some years ago, when I began to realize what the B&M, MEC, BAR and even Rutland and CV hoppers were
actually used for, and began paying more attention to them, it became clear that home road hoppers
were usually the most prevalent."
 
Surprisingly from these Rutland data, just barely: 163 Rutland hoppers and 117 Rutland hopper-bottom gons and side dump gons, giving a total of 280 cars - on par with the B&O and Pennsy.
 
One interesting outlier: 39 cars from the Montour.  Elden Gatwood theorizes that this indicates that the Rutland was buying company coal from the Pittsburgh area, which is supported by the large number of B&O, PRR, NYC, P&LE, and PMcK&Y cars.
 
The huge number of B&O and NYC cars makes modeling problematic - while "standard" cars (ex: USRA HM, AAR Offset twins and triples) have long been available for these roads, they actually make up a relatively small portion of these fleets, and there are many common car classes for both these roads that are simply not available (ex: B&O Class N-12 and subclasses, NYC "non-standard" offset twins).
 
 
Ben Hom        

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--- In STMFC@..., &lt;stmfc@...&gt; wrote:

Years ago when they first came out I purchased several 40-ft.

undecorated InterMountain PS-1&#39;s each one destined for a specific

model and one 50-footer to be done as a Southern model. At some point

Des Plaines did the Black &amp; Silver Central of Georgia 50-ft. car

which at the time I knew I would have to work on it since it was for

a car built in 1956 and I needed the 1954 delivery. At the recent

NMRA Convention in Atlanta I attended Todd Horton&#39;s very fine clinic

of CofG boxcars that featured their 50-footers and then purchased

several in-service photos of the 1954 cars at the CofG booth. Thus

inspired I took out the painted kit box to see what was ahead of me

beyond having to change the car number, which I was now better

prepared to do since I has also purchased a Microscale set of CofG

covered hopper decals that had the proper black numbers at the CofG

booth. I knew I was going to have to change the sill as the CofG

examples had a tabbed sill rather than the continuous sill on the

InterMountain molding. I wondered if the old Robin&#39;s Rails molding

had the tabbed sill or maybe the Kadee version. If so, I thought I

might prevail upon someone in this group to do a tracing so that I

could create a template to do the cutting. While looking at the Kadee

site I saw that they had offered the CofG version with the correct

sill profile, although again in the 1956 version.



The various Kadee releases were long sold out but they have a data

base for finding dealers with their releases and I found a dealer

that had two in stock. As I contemplated all of the work required on

the sill of the InterMountain model sanity set in and I ordered the

Kadee version. To be clear the model I will have will never achieve

exactly the 1954 CofG version since it had 8 panels on each side of

the door which is why Kadee will never do this group. But by painting

the black roof with a galvanized looking paint mix and changing or

painting the running board too, along the number change and altering

the reweigh and lub data, I will be pretty close. I am also going to

re-detail the u/f as I don&#39;t like the look of the rods and the brake

components look undersized to me.



I know the Kadee models snap together. Is the underframe attached by

any of the screws or is it snapped into place. I assume I can gently

pry off the running board system. What about the supports at the

ends. Do they fit into small holes. Any tips for disassembling will

be helpful as the Kadee cars are totally new to me. Thank you!

Bill Welch

2225 Nursery Road; #20-104

Clearwater, FL 33764-7622

727.470.9930

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--- In STMFC@..., Craig Zeni <clzeni@...> wrote:

A word of caution on testing strippers - I bodged a paint job on a Smoky Mountain Model Works Tennessee Central box car. Into the Chameleon it went...the body casting had no issues but the resin doors and running board curled up into little resin blobs. Colorful language ensued.

Craig Zeni
"Bother..." said Pooh as he chambered another round.

--- In stmfc@..., &lt;b.hom@...&gt; wrote:

Tim O&#39;Connor wrote:

&quot;My copy of Classic Freight Cars Vol. 3 is a reefer book -- no box car on page 25.

I checked Vol. 1 as well. Can you check your reference?&quot;

Â&nbsp;

Trying to do too much at once today between getting boxes unpacked and organizing model projects.Â&nbsp; Correct reference is Henderson, Classic Freight Cars Volume 7: More 40 ft. Boxcars, page 25.

Â&nbsp;



&quot;Did you check Mainline Modeler, July 1988? My notes only say it has an article on

DT&amp;I single sheathed USRA box cars.&quot;

Â&nbsp;

All of my Mainline Modelers are in storage, but I&#39;ll take a look next chance I get.

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Ben Hom



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