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Re: Revell gondolas

vincent altiere
 

Ben,
 
    Reading that you were looking at 2 Revell gons, I have a few purchased long ago. Ikept only the body shell,hoping to rebuild everything else to make a nice Pennsy G31. However, Tangent Models came out with their beautiful models of the PRR G31(and similar cars of other roads) so I bought a bunch. My question is-Is it still worth rebuilding the Revell cars,if only for some other road??
 
Vince Altiere
 
In a message dated 3/13/2014 10:41:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, b.hom@... writes:

Al Westerfield wrote:
"When I first got into the business I asked the marketing manager at
Walthers what the ethics of copying was.  He said: “We all copy from each
other."

...and not too well either.  One wonders where we'd be if Athearn's models were better - it would have certainly improved the quality of the [fill in the blank] knockoffs.  (Ironically, some of the knockoffs were better than the original Athearn models.)

Related note: Found what appeared to be two Revell gons while rummaging through a hobby shop bargain bin in Newport News earlier this week.  Upon closer examination, one of them turned out to be a Fleischmann copy of the Revell gon.


Ben Hom 


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Fenton needs help (what's new) Detail Associates 6416

O Fenton Wells
 

In order to finish a project I need 1 (one) Details Associates 6416 Stirrup step. straight side mount.  I have some on order but if anyone had just one extra that they would send I will pay you back.  Please contact me off line at;  srrfan1401@... and thanks
Fenton Wells


Re: Random PFE Question

Tim O'Connor
 


  Did the R-40-4 and R-40-8 classes have four poling pockets or two?
  David Thompson

 = = = = = = = = = = = = =

David, that's a damn good question, one I never thought about before!

Some PFE cars clearly had two, and others had four. Some originally had
two and later had four (after rebuilding), while others seem to have begun
with four and later had two! But I can't find a single decent photo of the
corners (where the uncoupling lever is found) of either an R-40-4 or an
R-40-8!

Tim O'Connor


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

Benjamin Hom
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
"When I first got into the business I asked the marketing manager at
Walthers what the ethics of copying was.  He said: “We all copy from each
other."

...and not too well either.  One wonders where we'd be if Athearn's models were better - it would have certainly improved the quality of the [fill in the blank] knockoffs.  (Ironically, some of the knockoffs were better than the original Athearn models.)

Related note: Found what appeared to be two Revell gons while rummaging through a hobby shop bargain bin in Newport News earlier this week.  Upon closer examination, one of them turned out to be a Fleischmann copy of the Revell gon.


Ben Hom


Re: ATSF class TkG

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Thanks for the help from everyone so far.
 
If what George says is correct, it suggests that the 100 cars supposedly built by ACF under lot 4109 were not lettered ATSF or else not TkG class. It appears that they were built, so I'd better start looking. Nothing under the Coast Lines or GC&SF etc. I did think it a bit of a stretch that cars built in 1907 could have been ordered as early as 10-05.
 
Eric

The Santa Fe Society book by Richard Hendrickson and Richard Pelouze says:

PSC 100, AC&F 200 Western Steel Car Co 250
 
Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960
512-579-0539
http://www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
http://www.atlasrr.com/special.htm
http://intermountain-railway.com/n/sr/nsr.htm
http://www.bluford-shops.com/bluford_93_014.htm
From: Eric Neubauer
To: STMFC
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF class TkG



I'm having a bit of a problem with the builders of these cars. The full series is 96053-96602 divided into groups of 100, 200, and 250 according to the valuation reports. No builders were identified.
 
Railway Age indicates 100 ordered from SSC in 1905, 100 ordered from PSC in 4-06 and 200 ordered from ACF in 1906, and 250 from PSC in 5-07. That's 100 too many
 
The ACF builders list shows 100 cars ordered in 10-05, lot 4109, and another 200 ordered in 7-06, ot 4522.
 
I can go with the first 100 built being by ACF and not SSC since there was no general arrangement drawing in the SSC collection.
 
I'm thinking the PSC order for 100 was cancelled altogether and the ACF order for 200 was built as 96153-96352 and the PSC order for 250 were built as 96353-96602, although by their WSC&F subsidiary.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter?
 
Eric N.





Re: Affordable 3D Scanning Is Here

Charles Peck
 

I am waiting for the point where I can pick out some part numbers from an online catalog, send them to my local
print shop/hobby shop and go pick up my parts tomorrow. 
The local shop downloads the files for my parts from an online parts library, prints them and preps them for me.
No more "out-of-stock", no more wait 6 months for the next batch to be cast, and just because there has been 
no demand for that part in 5 years does not mean it will never be made again. 
Every shop will have access to every part. I won't order a turnbuckle from Denver and a brake wheel from Boston,
both with higher shipping costs than the parts cost.  That locally made brake wheel might cost me $5.00 but that
is better than a $1.00 part and $8.00 shipping. 
Great days are coming.  At 72, I don't see me living to see it all happen.
Chuck Peck


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

twinstarcars
 

Kent, please contact me off list at roscodando@.... I am wondering which printer you have?
Thanks,
Ross


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

 

When I first got into the business I asked the marketing manager at Walthers what the ethics of copying was.  He said: “We all copy from each other.”
 
At an NMRA national years ago Builders in Scale discovered that another vendor was selling copies of their details.  A lawyer attendee said, “Give me a thousand dollars and you’ll never see them again.”  They did and he went to the other booth and told them in legalese what he’d do to them.  Never saw them again.
 
And finally, I once asked Cliff Grandt for permission to include his reefer hinge castings on my master for the PRR RF.  He asked what I would do if he said no.  I told him I wouldn’t use them.  He gave me permission. – Al Westerfield
 
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Affordable 3D Scanning Is Here

qmp211
 

3D scanning is here and affordable. And what will be here this summer is even better and more exciting.

I have been researching portable 3D scanners for the last several years waiting for an affordable model to land. The only 3D scanner capable of generating sufficient data for our purposes has been the Polhemus hand held scanner, a $25K tool.

New to the market, 3D Systems has the Sense 3D scanner, a very reasonably priced ($399 retail), PC tablet based, tethered scanner. It is available now and 3D offers a software package that can capture, integrate and edit the scan data.

http://cubify.com/en/Products/Sense?SSAID=325983

In January, 3D Systems announced iSense. iSense also generates a sufficient point cloud for our CAD needs. iSense is integrated into a dock for the iPad. It is based on existing technology so the start-up should be rather painless and 3D offers a CAD package to develop part geometry.  iSense for the iPad is due this summer.

http://www.3dsystems.com/isense-3d-systems
http://bgr.com/2014/01/10/ipad-3d-scanner-isense/

And to generate further discussion and now that I wet your whistle - check these guys out for what this means to our modeling needs. This is the ultimate blend of 3D scanning, rapid prototyping and mold making.
http://live-resin.com/

from liver-resin's site -
"We utilize modern advanced 3D modelling and rapid prototyping last generation technology. "  And they do. This is extraordinary stuff!

By Thanksgiving, there should be a lot of people happy as clams with their new parts developed from their iSense.

We're headed down an exciting road.

Randy Danniel

 


Re: ATSF class TkG

Richard Hendrickson
 


On Mar 13, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Eric, the Santa Fe Railway roster information in my SFRH&MS open top car book shows:

150 cars numbered 92029-92177 built by PSC in 1905 for the Eastern Railway of New Mexico and later absorbed into the Santa Fe roster

495 cars numbered 93256-93750 built by PSC and WSC in 1906 (no indiction of how many cars were built by each builder)

400 cars numbered 94601-95000 built by PSC in 1906.

No guarantee that this information is correct, but it is derived from Santa Fe company documents.

     Richard, Eric asked about 600 tank cars numbered 96053-96602, which is outside the car numbers you list.  

That’s because I got confused, which happens increasingly these days, and was thinking Ft-G class flat cars.  DUH!

Richard Hendrickson



Re: ATSF class TkG

Bill Kelly
 

Eric,
I checked Tk-G section in _Santa Fe Tankcars_ from the SFRH&M Society and found 100 cars from Pressed Steel Car 96053-96152, 200 cars from AC&F 96153-96352 and 250 cars from Western Steel Car Co, no numbers listed, presumably 96353-96602.
 
Then I checked the "All Time Roster" in the back of the book and found Tk-G; 95053-96152, 200 cars blt by AC&F in 1906; 96153-96352, 249 cars blt by Western Steel Car Co in 1906 and 96353-96602, no qty listed, no builder listed, built in 1907. I'm not sure but this "All Time Roster" data may not be trustworthy :(
 
Hope this is useful,
Later,
Bill Kelly
 
Eric Neubauer wrote:


I'm having a bit of a problem with the builders of these cars. The full series is 96053-96602 divided into groups of 100, 200, and 250 according to the valuation reports. No builders were identified.
 
Railway Age indicates 100 ordered from SSC in 1905, 100 ordered from PSC in 4-06 and 200 ordered from ACF in 1906, and 250 from PSC in 5-07. That's 100 too many
 
The ACF builders list shows 100 cars ordered in 10-05, lot 4109, and another 200 ordered in 7-06, ot 4522.
 
I can go with the first 100 built being by ACF and not SSC since there was no general arrangement drawing in the SSC collection.
 
I'm thinking the PSC order for 100 was cancelled altogether and the ACF order for 200 was built as 96153-96352 and the PSC order for 250 were built as 96353-96602, although by their WSC&F subsidiary.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter?
 
Eric N.



Re: Poling Pockets source

rhammill
 

I needed some poling pockets to add to some RS-3's and noticed that on the Atlas HH600/660 the poling pockets were separate parts (Atlas-994229). I was able to order a bunch from them. I don't know how readily available these parts are at Atlas, but give it a try.

Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 | http://newbritainstation.com
True Line Trains | http://truelinetrains.com


Re: ATSF class TkG

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Eric, the Santa Fe Railway roster information in my SFRH&MS open top car book shows:

150 cars numbered 92029-92177 built by PSC in 1905 for the Eastern Railway of New Mexico and later absorbed into the Santa Fe roster

495 cars numbered 93256-93750 built by PSC and WSC in 1906 (no indiction of how many cars were built by each builder)

400 cars numbered 94601-95000 built by PSC in 1906.

No guarantee that this information is correct, but it is derived from Santa Fe company documents.

     Richard, Eric asked about 600 tank cars numbered 96053-96602, which is outside the car numbers you list.  

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: ATSF class TkG

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 13, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...> wrote:

I'm having a bit of a problem with the builders of these cars. The full series is 96053-96602 divided into groups of 100, 200, and 250 according to the valuation reports. No builders were identified.
 
Railway Age indicates 100 ordered from SSC in 1905, 100 ordered from PSC in 4-06 and 200 ordered from ACF in 1906, and 250 from PSC in 5-07. That's 100 too many
 
The ACF builders list shows 100 cars ordered in 10-05, lot 4109, and another 200 ordered in 7-06, ot 4522.
 
I can go with the first 100 built being by ACF and not SSC since there was no general arrangement drawing in the SSC collection.
 
I'm thinking the PSC order for 100 was cancelled altogether and the ACF order for 200 was built as 96153-96352 and the PSC order for 250 were built as 96353-96602, although by their WSC&F subsidiary.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter?

Eric, the Santa Fe Railway roster information in my SFRH&MS open top car book shows:

150 cars numbered 92029-92177 built by PSC in 1905 for the Eastern Railway of New Mexico and later absorbed into the Santa Fe roster

495 cars numbered 93256-93750 built by PSC and WSC in 1906 (no indiction of how many cars were built by each builder)

400 cars numbered 94601-95000 built by PSC in 1906.

No guarantee that this information is correct, but it is derived from Santa Fe company documents.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: ATSF class TkG

Bill Kelly
 

I'm having a bit of a problem with the builders of these cars. The full series is 96053-96602 divided into groups of 100, 200, and 250 according to the valuation reports. No builders were identified.
 
Railway Age indicates 100 ordered from SSC in 1905, 100 ordered from PSC in 4-06 and 200 ordered from ACF in 1906, and 250 from PSC in 5-07. That's 100 too many
 
The ACF builders list shows 100 cars ordered in 10-05, lot 4109, and another 200 ordered in 7-06, ot 4522.
 
I can go with the first 100 built being by ACF and not SSC since there was no general arrangement drawing in the SSC collection.
 
I'm thinking the PSC order for 100 was cancelled altogether and the ACF order for 200 was built as 96153-96352 and the PSC order for 250 were built as 96353-96602, although by their WSC&F subsidiary.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter?
 
Eric N.



Re: Ken Tendick II

Aley, Jeff A
 

I am very sorry to hear of Ken's passing. My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.

Ken clinics were interesting and he was a cheerful clinician. It was obvious to me that he was a guy who liked to build things! He would sit down and unpack his tools, and start working. He never would wait until the official start time of the clinic; he just started talking about what he was doing, and kept right on going! To that end, he was great at sharing what he knew -- not to show off, but out of a genuine desire to help others.

I'll miss him.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Clinic Chairman, Prototype Rails.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Brock [mailto:brockm@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:05 PM
To: Bruce Smith; Mike Rose; Hal Greenlee; STMFC@...; al_brown03; Aley, Jeff A; Armand Premo; Marty Megregian; brasshat99; Scott Dam
Subject: Ken Tendick II


To the many members of the STMFC that have attended Prototype Rails at Cocoa Beach during the last two years, I have the sad duty to report that on Tuesday, March 11, Prototype Rails and prototype modeling in general, lost a key member of its family when Ken Tendick II passed away unexpectedly. Those that were able to attend his resin car building clinics during the last two Prototype Rails events were, I'm certain, as impressed as I was with his ability to put together resin freight cars in a real time setting in front of an audience of his peers. We used a video camera to bring his modeling techniques to a large screen and the concept worked quite well.

Ken was not only a prolific builder of resin models, but was also very knowledgeable about his prototypes, was a true gentleman and a pleasure to work with. Prototype Rails and prototype modeling will truly miss him.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Chairman
STMFC Owner


Ken Tendick II

Mikebrock
 

To the many members of the STMFC that have attended Prototype Rails at Cocoa Beach during the last two years, I have the sad duty to report that on Tuesday, March 11, Prototype Rails and prototype modeling in general, lost a key
member of its family when Ken Tendick II passed away unexpectedly. Those
that were able to attend his resin car building clinics during the last two Prototype Rails events were, I'm certain, as impressed as I was with his ability to put together resin freight cars in a real time setting in front of an audience of his peers. We used a video camera to bring his modeling techniques
to a large screen and the concept worked quite well.

Ken was not only a prolific builder of resin models, but was also very knowledgeable about his prototypes, was a true gentleman and a pleasure to work with. Prototype
Rails and prototype modeling will truly miss him.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Chairman
STMFC Owner


Re: reverse engineering or copying?

Charlie Vlk
 

Dennis and all-

 

Guess it depends how good your eyesight is…..

3-D scanning is already being used by progressive manufacturers.   Rapido Trains (Canada) scanned an entire FP-4 (Canadian FA) to nail the nose contours and other details for 3D based conventional tooling.

 

Maybe the Scan to Model part technology isn’t ready for prime time yet, but ten years from now it certainly will be as scanners come down in price and up in resolution and materials get better.  

There are commercial production models out there that have fairly serious errors that nobody has ever noticed……3D Scanning would have eliminated the errors.

 

Shapeways, et al have issues, especially in printing larger items (costs) and smaller scales (resolution/build orientation) but many very usable parts are being printed each day and the quality level/value is anywhere maybe a C-  to an A- depending on the part.

 

I’ve had some parts printed and they have turned out really well.    The “rice paddy” layering on curved surfaces or flats in some orientations can be troubling but a lot of stuff is available that with a little work can make up a nice model…..for prototypes that have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting mad in injection molded tooling…even in an era where there are competing models of Sharknoses and Baldwin Centipedes!!!!  

 

Charlie Vlk

 

 

"I'm sure 3-D scanning will have a place, but it is hardly a panacea; nowhere in the foreseeable future are you going to be able to point your "Instamatic Scanner" at a prototype and send the file out to Shapeways to get a model back, and certainly not anywhere near a price modelers will feel is reasonable."


Dennis Storzek

 


Re: ATSF class TkG

George Hollwedel
 

The Santa Fe Society book by Richard Hendrickson and Richard Pelouze says:

PSC 100, AC&F 200 Western Steel Car Co 250
 
Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960
512-579-0539
http://www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
http://www.atlasrr.com/special.htm
http://intermountain-railway.com/n/sr/nsr.htm
http://www.bluford-shops.com/bluford_93_014.htm
From: Eric Neubauer
To: STMFC
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF class TkG



I'm having a bit of a problem with the builders of these cars. The full series is 96053-96602 divided into groups of 100, 200, and 250 according to the valuation reports. No builders were identified.
 
Railway Age indicates 100 ordered from SSC in 1905, 100 ordered from PSC in 4-06 and 200 ordered from ACF in 1906, and 250 from PSC in 5-07. That's 100 too many
 
The ACF builders list shows 100 cars ordered in 10-05, lot 4109, and another 200 ordered in 7-06, ot 4522.
 
I can go with the first 100 built being by ACF and not SSC since there was no general arrangement drawing in the SSC collection.
 
I'm thinking the PSC order for 100 was cancelled altogether and the ACF order for 200 was built as 96153-96352 and the PSC order for 250 were built as 96353-96602, although by their WSC&F subsidiary.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter?
 
Eric N.





ATSF class TkG

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

I'm having a bit of a problem with the builders of these cars. The full series is 96053-96602 divided into groups of 100, 200, and 250 according to the valuation reports. No builders were identified.
 
Railway Age indicates 100 ordered from SSC in 1905, 100 ordered from PSC in 4-06 and 200 ordered from ACF in 1906, and 250 from PSC in 5-07. That's 100 too many
 
The ACF builders list shows 100 cars ordered in 10-05, lot 4109, and another 200 ordered in 7-06, ot 4522.
 
I can go with the first 100 built being by ACF and not SSC since there was no general arrangement drawing in the SSC collection.
 
I'm thinking the PSC order for 100 was cancelled altogether and the ACF order for 200 was built as 96153-96352 and the PSC order for 250 were built as 96353-96602, although by their WSC&F subsidiary.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter?
 
Eric N.

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