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Re: FOR SALE: How to Operate Your Model Railroad (Bruce Chubb, 1977)

Benjamin Hom
 

The book has been sold.  Thanks for the interest!
 
 
Ben Hom

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From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: "stmfc@..." <stmfc@...>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 11:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] FOR SALE: How to Operate Your Model Railroad (Bruce Chubb, 1977)


How to Operate Your Model Railroad, by Bruce A. Chubb (Kalmbach, 1977), used in excellent condition.  Still relevant for today's model railroader interested in operations (including freight car forwarding), this classic covers the underlying concepts for realistic operations of model railroads.  This book is a must have if you plan on designing and conducting operating sessions for your layout, and is long out of print. $15 postpaid via USPS Media Mail or best offer.  PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST IF INTERESTED.  Thanks in advance!
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

devansprr
 

!943 ORER only lists 4 SCTX cars under General American -   3 cars between 1000 and 2299, and car 9234 (one of the car numbers offered by Tangent)


Ted Culotta's tank car reference book shows MPCX 55 on pg 64 that seems to be a very good candidate for an undec model.


It's great to see Tangent take the plunge into the pre-war II fleet. But I hope they at least break even on this car. The data I have access to is pretty sketchy on the number of three-compartment cars, but photos would suggest that this is not a car for fleet purchases - one or two at the most.


This car may test the marketing question of which sells more - "cute" but relatively rare cars that a large percentage of modelers may buy one or two of, or common cars (like the Union type X cars) that are pretty plain, but large layout owners and the modular guys will buy a bunch of.


Wishing Tangent the best of luck and kudos for the model, and taking the risk.


I'll be buying STCX 9234 for sure, and maybe one or two undecs if the proper decals are/become available (e.g. MPCX 55, which the 1943 ORER suggests at least 10 cars like this existed (50-59), perhaps a few more.)


Dave Evans



---In stmfc@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote:

I took some photos of the Tangent car within the past hour, they were sitting on a display table. I have created a photo album and am uploading at the moment (very slow connection at the hotel). When posted they will be awaiting approval by Mike or Jeff, which hopefully will happen soon.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/18/2013 5:20 PM, pullmanboss@... wrote:
"Tangent Scale Models introduces a HO scale 6,000 gallon, three-compartment General American Tank Car. Four paint schemes + undecorated kits and undecorated assembled versions.
http://tangentscalemodels.com/  "


    Yesterday I tried to order a couple of these but their site would not accept the order.  Today I tried to go to the site but it not there according to IE.  Anyone have any ideas?

--
Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS


Re: AUTOMOBILE SHIPMENTS IN BOX CARS IN THE 1950S

water.kresse@...
 

I believe the C&O had 50-ft staggered side with end-door auto-rack box cars thru 1956.  Pontiac was using highway truck-trailers in 1950.  C&O first loaded tri-levels at Wixom, MI, in Oct 1960.

 

Al Kresse


From: "tony" <tony@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:32:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: AUTOMOBILE SHIPMENTS IN BOX CARS IN THE 1950S

Autos were certainly shipped in box cars in the 50s, though in declining percentage thru that decade. Auto racks would reverse that decline after this list's time span. By the 50s it was almost all 50-foot cars. Older 40-foot cars often went into auto parts service.

Tony Thompson

> On Oct 18, 2013, at 4:17 PM, wrote:
>
> Bill, awhile ago I posted some information to this list about the Janesville, WI General Motors/Chevrolet plant from the late 40s (about 1948).  Part of that information discussed the shipment of finished automobiles.
>
>
>
> Here is a selection of that for your convenience:
>
> "The shipment of finished automobiles and trucks is evenly divided between truck and railroad. In 1935 semi-trailer trucks were transporting 25% of the factory's production; today they carry 50%. The market area served by these trucks is circumscribed by a line connecting Wausau, Eau Claire, Des Moines, Peoria and Decatur. Practically all the vehicles shipped to Chicago go by truck, for it often takes the railroad company six hours or more to clear a loaded car from the siding and incorporate it into a train. Within that time a trucker can deliver a load to a Chicago dealer."
>
>
>
> This plant produced 98,000 cars and 33,000 trucks in 1948 for the upper Midwest (IL,WI, MN, IA, SD, ND).
>
>
>
> Paul Krueger
>
> Seattle, WA
>
>
>
> ---In STMFC@..., wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I have a question regarding the shipment of new automobiles in box cars in the post WW II era and into the early 1950s.
>
> The recent issue of Trains Magazine has a number of articles on the shipment of automobiles via rail but is a bit vague about the timeline for the use of box cars. It has been my understanding -- perhaps misguided -- that automobile shipments after WWII moved from rail to highway over the road trailer and very few cars were shipped in box cars at this time period.
>
> My questions are:
> 1) is my understanding of the shipment of automobiles via rail correct?
> 2) were automobiles being shipped in box cars into the 1950s?
> 3) if YES, then what makes were shipped by rail?
> 4) after WWII was box car shipment of automobiles, if shipped in a box car, done using 40-foot or 50-foot box cars?
>
> That is enough questions for now. I may have more. Thanks for any responses.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Keene
> Irvine, CA
>


Cocoa Beach Jan 9-12

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

I am attending the Prototype Rails at Cocoa Beach this coming January and have a room with twin beds booked for Jan.9-Jan.12 (4 nights). Looking for someone to share expenses. My e-mail is spninetynine at centurylink.net.

Spen Kellogg, Erie, Colorado


Re: Tichy AB brake set parts

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Ben, Scott & Al.  I found it too – it contains everything I could have asked for. 
 
Andrew – I appreciate your offer – thanks!  Fortunately, I have what I need in Gene’s handout.
 
Rob Kirkham

From: abrown@...
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] Tichy AB brake set parts
 


Gene's handout is still there. It's called "Freight Car UnderbodyDetail".

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Douglas Harding
 

I took some photos of the Tangent car within the past hour, they were sitting on a display table. I have created a photo album and am uploading at the moment (very slow connection at the hotel). When posted they will be awaiting approval by Mike or Jeff, which hopefully will happen soon.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Hutchins roofs

 

I had no problem ordering those roofs along with other detail parts from Claire at Sylvan. That was back in February of this year.

Rich Christie


On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:51 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
 
Ben, I had a similiar problem and they made a new mold and shipped the castings to my local hobby shop.  They even called my local hobby shop and said they would do that to accept the order.  The parts look great and I used one set (roof) on a SR 40 DD rebuild.  I do think they are losing interest due to lac of sales however.  Most of us don't kit bash any more.
Fenton Wells


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Brian Carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:
 
Be advised a little over a year ago (maybe more), I inquired about getting  various ends and roofs to create CN and CP boxcars from Stafford Swain’s (I think) articles in RMC from years ago. I was told at the time the roof castings and ends were out of stock/discontinued as he was concentrating on vehicles.  I have been looking on the secondary market now, but these parts just haven’t shown up. Maybe/hopefully the situation has changed. I have a pile of Black Cat decals and undec boxcars waiting to get built.
 
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga, NY
 
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:56 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Hutchins roofs
 
 
Ed Mines asked:
"A while back a Canadian company offered Hutchins roof castings which fit the Athearn blue box 40 ft box car. Anyone remember who? Are they still available? Do they have a web site?"
 
Sylvan Scale Models made the resin roof castings to kitbash Canadian 1937 AAR boxcar variations.
http://sylvanscalemodels.com/
http://www.isp.ca/sylvan/freightcar.htm
 
 
Ben Hom



--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...



FOR SALE: How to Operate Your Model Railroad (Bruce Chubb, 1977)

Benjamin Hom
 

How to Operate Your Model Railroad, by Bruce A. Chubb (Kalmbach, 1977), used in excellent condition.  Still relevant for today's model railroader interested in operations (including freight car forwarding), this classic covers the underlying concepts for realistic operations of model railroads.  This book is a must have if you plan on designing and conducting operating sessions for your layout, and is long out of print. $15 postpaid via USPS Media Mail or best offer.  PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST IF INTERESTED.  Thanks in advance!
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/18/2013 6:10 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:
Now to wait for the experts to chime in on the car. I think a single dome car might sell more , but this one does have “cute” factor.
Not an expert but have always wanted a multi-dome for the cute factor.  A single dome 6K car would be nice also.  As interested in '41 for the cars.

--
Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS


Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Brian Carlson
 

Now to wait for the experts to chime in on the car. I think a single dome car might sell more , but this one does have “cute” factor.

A quick review of my 1957 ORER. The Series in the July 1957 ORER is 1392-1601, 40 ton cars, 151 cars in the series. No other helpful information.  The Celanese cars do not appear as exceptions in my July 1957 ORER so they could  still in those numbers at that time. Unfortunately no prototype pics of this one on the site. The GATX ORER are less than helpful with respect to gallons and compartments.  Also, the STCX reporting mark appears to be retired by 1957 so I can’t use that and the other 2 are too new for me. So it appears I can save my money at this time unless more information on the Celanese cars comes to light.

 

Now if they do a single dome car. I’ll get 6-12 for the refinery in Warren Pa.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of pullmanboss@...
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 8:20 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

 

 

On sale through their web site, according to the following from trainorders.com:

 

"Tangent Scale Models introduces a HO scale 6,000 gallon, three-compartment General American Tank Car. Four paint schemes + undecorated kits and undecorated assembled versions.
http://tangentscalemodels.com/  "

 

Tom Madden



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Tangent quietly set out examples of the their new 3-dome 6K gallon tank car in the Model Display Room at the Lisle RPM meet today in several reporting marks. They will be on sale here tomorrow.

 

Bill Welch


Re: 4/4 dreadnaught ends

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 


On Oct 18, 2013, at 3:12 PM, William Keene wrote:

 

Dick,


Would the 4/4 Dreadnaught end you mentioned by InterMountain part number 40500-13?

And a second question … what is the overall scale width of this end?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

Bill,

The 45000-13 part number is for the R-40-23 3/3 end. The ART ends are not in the IMRC packaged parts line.

The ART 4/4 ends measure 9'4" wide in HO.

Dick


Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Tom Madden
 

On sale through their web site, according to the following from trainorders.com:

 

"Tangent Scale Models introduces a HO scale 6,000 gallon, three-compartment General American Tank Car. Four paint schemes + undecorated kits and undecorated assembled versions.
http://tangentscalemodels.com/  "

 

Tom Madden


Re: Algoma Central box car trucks

brianleppert@att.net
 

Looks like either a Simplex or Huntoon. Both are illustrated in older CBCs.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Aaron Gjermundson" <npin53@...> wrote:

What type of bolster is that? I've seen those on CB&Q Andrews trucks too.

Aaron Gjermundson


Re: castings I asked about

O Fenton Wells
 

There end door castings are very nice as well.
Fenton Wells


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:18 PM, <ed_mines@...> wrote:
 

Thanks to all who replied.

 

Sylvan is no longer in the freight car kit business but they list the parts on their web site under parts. Their line includes a 4/4 dreadnaught end. Will contact them to see if the web site is up to date.

 

Ed Mines




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Bill Welch
 

Tangent quietly set out examples of the their new 3-dome 6K gallon tank car in the Model Display Room at the Lisle RPM meet today in several reporting marks. They will be on sale here tomorrow.


Bill Welch


Re: AUTOMOBILE SHIPMENTS IN BOX CARS IN THE 1950S

Tony Thompson
 

Autos were certainly shipped in box cars in the 50s, though in declining percentage thru that decade. Auto racks would reverse that decline after this list's time span. By the 50s it was almost all 50-foot cars. Older 40-foot cars often went into auto parts service.

Tony Thompson

On Oct 18, 2013, at 4:17 PM, <kruegerp@...> wrote:

 

Bill, awhile ago I posted some information to this list about the Janesville, WI General Motors/Chevrolet plant from the late 40s (about 1948).  Part of that information discussed the shipment of finished automobiles.


Here is a selection of that for your convenience:

"The shipment of finished automobiles and trucks is evenly divided between truck and railroad. In 1935 semi-trailer trucks were transporting 25% of the factory's production; today they carry 50%. The market area served by these trucks is circumscribed by a line connecting Wausau, Eau Claire, Des Moines, Peoria and Decatur. Practically all the vehicles shipped to Chicago go by truck, for it often takes the railroad company six hours or more to clear a loaded car from the siding and incorporate it into a train. Within that time a trucker can deliver a load to a Chicago dealer."


This plant produced 98,000 cars and 33,000 trucks in 1948 for the upper Midwest (IL,WI, MN, IA, SD, ND).


Paul Krueger

Seattle, WA



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Hello Group,

I have a question regarding the shipment of new automobiles in box cars in the post WW II era and into the early 1950s.

The recent issue of Trains Magazine has a number of articles on the shipment of automobiles via rail but is a bit vague about the timeline for the use of box cars. It has been my understanding -- perhaps misguided -- that automobile shipments after WWII moved from rail to highway over the road trailer and very few cars were shipped in box cars at this time period.

My questions are:
1) is my understanding of the shipment of automobiles via rail correct?
2) were automobiles being shipped in box cars into the 1950s?
3) if YES, then what makes were shipped by rail?
4) after WWII was box car shipment of automobiles, if shipped in a box car, done using 40-foot or 50-foot box cars?

That is enough questions for now. I may have more. Thanks for any responses.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On sale tomorrow

pierre.oliver@...
 

Starting tomorrow morning in the sales room, in the hotel here in LIsle/Naperville, I will have on sale the new Yarmouth Model Works NP 39000 boxcar kit, CPR war emerg boxcar kit as well as my etchings.
I will also have limited numbers of Southern Car & Foundry 3 dome tank cars for sale. Come and see me,
Pierre Oliver


Decals

hubert mask
 

I would like to introduce my decal business.  Mask Island Decals.  I do carry decals that are available for the time frame of this group.  You may view them at maskislanddecals.com. 

Thank you!

Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals


Re: AUTOMOBILE SHIPMENTS IN BOX CARS IN THE 1950S

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the information. I had done a search on the list before asking the question and did not come across your posting. Yahoo's group search engine leaves a lot to be desired. And my searching is not the best either. 

I model in 1953 and the area modeled is east central Kansas. To be more specific the town of Burlington, Kansas, which is about 160 miles driving miles from Kansas City. As a young person, I remember touring the GM B-O-P plant in Fairfax, Kansas. My guess is that cars assembled in the Fairfax plant would have been delivered by truck to Burlington. But somewhere I have read that Buick and Cadillac were two brands that were often shipped via rail. The other plant in the Kansas City area that I remember was Ford's ClayCoMo plant on the east side which built light trucks. 

I am trying to determine if a small fleet of automobile box cars would be needed on my east central Kansas layout.

Thank you for your response. It is much appreciated. I will go look for your posting again. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Oct 18, 2013, at 2:17 PM, <kruegerp@...> wrote:

 

Bill, awhile ago I posted some information to this list about the Janesville, WI General Motors/Chevrolet plant from the late 40s (about 1948).  Part of that information discussed the shipment of finished automobiles.


Here is a selection of that for your convenience:

"The shipment of finished automobiles and trucks is evenly divided between truck and railroad. In 1935 semi-trailer trucks were transporting 25% of the factory's production; today they carry 50%. The market area served by these trucks is circumscribed by a line connecting Wausau, Eau Claire, Des Moines, Peoria and Decatur. Practically all the vehicles shipped to Chicago go by truck, for it often takes the railroad company six hours or more to clear a loaded car from the siding and incorporate it into a train. Within that time a trucker can deliver a load to a Chicago dealer."


This plant produced 98,000 cars and 33,000 trucks in 1948 for the upper Midwest (IL,WI, MN, IA, SD, ND).


Paul Krueger

Seattle, WA



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Hello Group,

I have a question regarding the shipment of new automobiles in box cars in the post WW II era and into the early 1950s.

The recent issue of Trains Magazine has a number of articles on the shipment of automobiles via rail but is a bit vague about the timeline for the use of box cars. It has been my understanding -- perhaps misguided -- that automobile shipments after WWII moved from rail to highway over the road trailer and very few cars were shipped in box cars at this time period.

My questions are:
1) is my understanding of the shipment of automobiles via rail correct?
2) were automobiles being shipped in box cars into the 1950s?
3) if YES, then what makes were shipped by rail?
4) after WWII was box car shipment of automobiles, if shipped in a box car, done using 40-foot or 50-foot box cars?

That is enough questions for now. I may have more. Thanks for any responses.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


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