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CNW Stock Car Shed

Michael Aufderheide
 

All,


I came across some photos I took a few years ago of a CNW stock car and and unidentified reefer being used as a shed just south of Monon Indiana.  I thought the group would enjoy seeing them and may be able to ID the reefer for me.  When saw this from a distance I thought I thought I had found Monon (!) cars, as they owned howe truss stock cars and some local businesses bought retired Monon cars.

After they are approved by MGMT I would like to hear your thoughts.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


who is the maker of the dark brown AB sets that Sunshine used in their kits?

gary laakso
 

I have installed the major components (air reservoir, control valve and brake cylinder) on 4 Great Northern double sheathed boxcars and one of the plywood sided boxcars that followed them and started installing their connecting wires.  The brown brake components include wonderful bases for the placement of these components.  Does any know who the manufacturer is?  I need to order more sets.
 
In between the wire work, I have started installing the side grab irons on the new Yarmouth Model Works Northern Pacific trussrod boxcars.  I am using the Westerfield 20” grab irons for the car sides.    When the attention span wanders, there are the 5 Milwaukee single sheathed bodies to work on, the next phase of which will be to add the roof walks. 
 
Don, the Rocket Express kits are very good and I ordered more so that I have my 4 car set. 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: Rocket Express models

 

Not unlike a lot of resin manufacturers.

Thanks!
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From: Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:05 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rocket Express models






I've ordered four kits from Rocket Express (two boxcars and two cabooses) on
four separate orders and received all of them within 6 months. Ron just
takes a while to respond and to fill orders.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: Rocket Express models

Charlie Duckworth
 

I've ordered four kits from Rocket Express (two boxcars and two cabooses) on four separate orders and received all of them within 6 months. Ron just takes a while to respond and to fill orders.  

Charlie Duckworth  


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim

That's why I qualified my statements with dates. You did not.

Tim O'Connor


   Tim, the 6000 class were delivered, having full size (drive a truck into) end doors. Some were later rebuilt into the 30000 class and as I had stated, had end doors modified by then. You listed the 40-53 time frame. In the thirties (well within the scope of this group and a time you did not mention) a different picture very is present.                                                         Jim Dick - St. Paul


---In STMFC@..., wrote:

Jim Dick wrote
> The NP had quite a few. The 6000 and 8000 series readily come
> to mind and I am sure there were more on the NP.

Regarding the Northern Pacific:

You have to be careful with "end doors" because what we usually call
"lumber doors" are listed in the Equipment Register as "end doors".

In 1953 8000-8099 are listed with 1'6" x 1'0" lumber doors.

There is no 6000 series in the 1940, 1950 or 1953 ORER's. This series
was populated in the late 1950's with modern 50' double door cars.
None of the new cars had end doors.

In 1953 there is one series, 4700-4998, 50' steel underframe box cars
(single sheathed) with full size end doors. I'd forgotten about those.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
 

You have to be careful with "end doors" because what we usually call "lumber doors" are listed in the Equipment Register as "end doors".

      Tim makes a good point. You can tell immediately in the ORER because the dimensions of a "lumber door" are quite small compared to a full end door.

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Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

np328
 

   Tim, the 6000 class were delivered, having full size (drive a truck into) end doors. Some were later rebuilt into the 30000 class and as I had stated, had end doors modified by then. You listed the 40-53 time frame. In the thirties (well within the scope of this group and a time you did not mention) a different picture very is present.                                                         Jim Dick - St. Paul


Re: Rocket Express models

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 19, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Don <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

[snip]. On two occasions since seeing their Rock Island box cars a couple of months ago I have emailed the company seeking ordering information on these models. To date there has been no response. Has anyone else had better luck recently?


Don, Rocket Express was one of the vendors at  Naperville/Lisle this year.  I have couple of their kits and they appear to be of a quality and accuracy at least equivalent to Sunshine kits.


Richard Hendrickson



Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim Dick wrote
> The NP had quite a few. The 6000 and 8000 series readily come
> to mind and I am sure there were more on the NP.

Regarding the Northern Pacific:

You have to be careful with "end doors" because what we usually call
"lumber doors" are listed in the Equipment Register as "end doors".

In 1953 8000-8099 are listed with 1'6" x 1'0" lumber doors.

There is no 6000 series in the 1940, 1950 or 1953 ORER's. This series
was populated in the late 1950's with modern 50' double door cars.
None of the new cars had end doors.

In 1953 there is one series, 4700-4998, 50' steel underframe box cars
(single sheathed) with full size end doors. I'd forgotten about those.

Tim O'Connor


Re: COSX 975

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 19, 2013, at 11:55 AM, richtownsend@... wrote:

The Fort Collins (Colorado) Public Library has a nice 1930-era photo
of COSX 975, a three-dome tank car.  I don;'t have an ORER from that
far back.  Can anyone give me information about the car?  Builder
(AC&F?)? Built date? Capacity? Any help is appreciated.
Richard,
COSX 975 was one of 2 cars built 10-23 by ACF (lot 9643), series
975-976, 50 tons, 3 compartment, 10,000 gallons, ARA Spec. III. I
believe the cars later went to SDRX.

This photo was published in the ACF 100th year anniversary book by Ed
Kaminski.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

If you look in the Official Railway Equipment Register there is
an appendix of "Serial Numbers & Description of Automobile Cars
Equipped With Auto Racks" -- Now, this is not a complete list of
all end-door equipped box cars, but there is a column for "Width
of End Doors" and scanning down that column you can tell which
railroad box car number series (with auto racks) had end doors.

In 1953 the list is ATSF, CP, CB&Q, CRI&P, ERIE, LV, NYC, SLSF,
and SOU. I know this is definitely not a complete list, because
C&O, CN, IC, MKT, MP, NKP, SP, UP, WABASH and WP had end-door
box cars too.

Tim O'Connor


COSX 975

Richard Townsend
 

The Fort Collins (Colorado) Public Library has a nice 1930-era photo of COSX 975, a three-dome tank car.  I don;'t have an ORER from that far back.  Can anyone give me information about the car?  Builder (AC&F?)? Built date? Capacity? Any help is appreciated.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

np328
 

   The NP had quite a few. The 6000 and 8000 series readily come to mind and I am sure there were more on the NP.

 

 I had dug up some data at the MNHS from AAR WWII reports and these end door cars were very much in demand at that time for moving small trucks and other military vehicles and such.

 

There are other reports that I have seen that note that the ends doors affected the dimensional stability of the car, (I know there are some of you with engineering degrees, and if you can think of a better terminology, I will not take offense), and this caused some of the end doors on the NP cars to later be made solid.                                                              Jim Dick - St. Paul


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Dave Sarther
 

Brad,
 
The CB&Q had auto cars with end doors.  If you have Volume 12 of the RPCYC a few photos of these cars can be referenced in an article co-authored by Bat Masterson, Hol Wagner and Al Hoffman of the BRHS along with a photo of their unique extended height "Bomber Box Cars".
 
Later,  Dave Sarther    Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Andonian
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 8:45 am
Subject: [STMFC] Opening End Door Boxcars

 
Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Eric Lombard
 

Brad,

I just did a quick filter on my box car data and came up with 495 series with auto end doors. It is indeed "a long list." This dump includes new cars built with the doors as well as renumbered cars and includes cars with doors functional and doors fixed in place. It includes all such cars built between 1910 and 1944 and those rebuilt during that time and after. No distinction was made for construction and so wood, composite and all-steel cars are included. If there are some particular parameters that interest you I can narrow the output but am glad to send you the whole dump off-list if you want it. 


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL



---In STMFC@..., <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Brad I would say most. PRR Erie CV and LV and ones I have photos of. 
Brian Carlson 

On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Brad Andonian <cereshill@...> wrote:

 
Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

Brad I would say most. PRR Erie CV and LV and ones I have photos of. 
Brian Carlson 

On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Brad Andonian <cereshill@...> wrote:

 

Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Steve SANDIFER
 

I would call it a standard practice, so many railroads had auto boxcars with end doors. The list will be long.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:45 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Opening End Door Boxcars

 

Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Opening End Door Boxcars

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Re: MKT decals for the yellow boxcars

Bill Hirt <whirt@...>
 

Fenton,

Have you considered Herald King? Their set B-194 does a 40' yellow boxcar with black lettering and their set B-195 does a 40' red boxcar with white lettering. I ordered some a few months ago direct from them and they have them in stock. While most of their sets are mid-late 60's on, they do have a few that fit the time era of this group.

Bill Hirt

On 11/18/2013 10:30 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Maybe Ted is close enough to being back in business to release the MKT decals in black and white as it sounds like a few sets are needed.
Thanks to all who replied
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:14 AM, William Darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:
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I have assembled the Speedwitch model but have held off painting it because it has the black decals for the yellow car. The yellow scheme is very iffy for my 1955 railroad and I would prefer white decals on freight car red. Maybe we can work out some kind of trade on this group. I was hoping that Microscale made MKT decals for the 50�s but I don�t see them in the catalog so I am hanging on to my black decals until I have some white ones. My fallback position is a very heavily weathered yellow car.

Bill Darnaby



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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 9:08 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] MKT decals for the yellow boxcars

Does anyone make MKT decals (black lettering) for the yellow boxcars of the 1040's? I'm not familiar with this road and don't know. Thanks in advance for any help.

Fenton Wells

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Re: DT&I 16000-16199 after rebuilding

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks for alerting me to that reference, Ray. 


Those photos show two of the three configurations for these box cars (as received with 11+ ft inside height with 14-6 door; as rebuilt to 10-3 inside height with 14-6 door). Still looking for a photo as rebuilt 10-3 inside height with 8-9 door opening. Anyone?


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL



---In stmfc@..., <teabow1958@...> wrote:

The book "Wabash/Nickel Plate/DT&I Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" published by Morning Sun written by James Kinkaid has images of four of these cars.16081 is shown in the middle of page 97. 16190-H is shown on the bottom of page 97. 16191-H is shown on the top of page 98. The end doors of 16192-H is shown in the middle of page 98.
Ray Thibaut
teabow1958@...

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