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Re: Box car ID

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Staffan, After writing that email I looked through my RP Cycs thinking Ed had done an in-depth article on these cars. Glancing at the covers I didn’t see any. Unless Ed used some scientific terminology to describe these cars that morons like myself wouldn’t understand  :  )) I swear I have an article on these cars though...I did find my data sheet from my Sunshine model which gave number series built dates and had a photo of a 51000 series car with power handbrake. All’s I have to do is renumber one of my cars and I’m in business, Which I’m doing as we speak...er...write/read. 
All this fooling around has given me inspiration for a segment in next years Naperville presentation.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Box car ID

Richard Townsend
 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Box car ID

 
Richard,
 
That's impressive.  How did they get 5600 cars into a 500 number series?
 
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Clark, Erie 90115 was one of 5600 cars in the 90000-90499 series built by AC&F at Berwick, PA in 1947.  ...


Re: CNW box car help please

Tim O'Connor
 

I forgot to say -- just because a box car has 10'0" IH does not mean it
can't be a PS-1. Some PS-1's were built with 10'0" IH, and many of them
were sold on the second hand car market and could have ended up on C&NW.

Tim O'Connor


Just found info that says these cars were rebuilds. Makes sense, cause
they're listed as having a 10' IH in the ORER.
Clark Propst


Re: CNW box car help please

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

I think this number belonged to a USRA rebuild, series 65000-67418.
The 7' door is weird though... C&NW had a really small number of 7'
door PS-1's mostly bought as single (replacement?) cars.

Tim O'

--------------------------------------

I want to build a CNW box car number 65954. My ORER says it's from
series 65700-66298 even numbers. I also have a note that says it was
a PS-1 with a 7 panel superior door. Finally got ahold of an undec IM PS-1.
Where I got that info about it being a PS-1 from I don't know, because I
can't find out anything about these cars in any of my references.


Re: Beer Shipments in 1950

Tom Fedor
 

Andy,

I opened your photo and with Photoshop, lightened the interior of the reefer to reveal that the right half of the car's load appears to include stacked cases of beer. The load doesn't appear to be secure. So unless the entire shipment was being unloaded, those cases would definitely shift during movement. If this picture was not a candid moment, maybe that back drop of logo cases was arranged for the photo-op.

I uploaded the file.

-Tom Fedor, Thurmont, MD




---In stmfc@..., <stevehprr@...> wrote:

Hi David--A local friend models the Milwaukee's Beer Line in 1954 as part of his larger layout. A Beer Line email list can be found at  http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Beerlinemodelers/conversations/topics. Lots of good photos. Pabst and Blatz breweries were serviced by that line, but the predominant shipper was Schlitz.


In the research for that line in the early 50's, we found that many Schlitz shipments were in Dairy Shippers Despatch Company (DSDX) RS and RB reefers dedicated to Schlitz. From what we have found the RS cars were  formerly wood MDT cars. The Accurail wood reefers seem close enough so a small fleet has been painted and lettered for DSDX. The RB cars, at least the 4000 series, were custom built steel cars with small reefer side doors but without ice hatches or bunkers. These cars have a unique side panel and rivet pattern so no easy model is available. "Close enough" is achieved with several IM steel reefers with boxcar roofs, again painted and lettered for DSDX. Keg beer was not pastuerized so temperature control was important. It was less an issue for pateurized bottled beer. On the model railroad, op sessions are in September so ambient heat can be an issue. The normal practice is to ship kegs only in cars with ice hatches.


The photo of the PFE reefer with Schlitz kegs is interesting. Although we have accepted that hauling beer in a major reefer line car was certainly possible, until today no photo evidence had been found. Seasonal availability of these cars varied of course but now there is an additional operational possibility.


The early 50's were well before the major brewers began distributing breweries around the country. Schlitz was brewed only in Milwaukee and shipped all around the country by rail. Also the Anheuser Busch brands were only brewed in St. Louis. A-B also had a dedicated reefer line, St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. (SLRX). (Yes, similar to Swift's SRLX.) Sunshine offers a SLRX kit, and a Atlas (ex-Branchline) wood reefer can be painted and lettered into a very credible car.


Interestingly, one of the books on MILW's Beer Line has a photo showing a SLRX reefer in Milwaukee.


The bottom line is that in 1950 DSDX and SLRX RB and RS cars would have been seen in every part of the country. 


Steve Hoxie

Pensacola FL









---In STMFC@..., <andy.laurent@...> wrote:

Beer shipments typically travelled in kegs in reefers.  Milwaukee had a good concentration of breweries, served by CMSTPP...lots of URTX and western cars.  I've posted a picture in the files section of PFE 66317 being unloaded in Algoma, Wisc on the Ahnapee & Western house track by a beer distributor.  The carload would have originated in Milwaukee at Schlitz.

File name is "-HH06770 R L Holtz Beer Load 1952.JPG"
Andy Laurent


Re: Box car ID

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 7, 2013, at 12:56 PM, cepropst@q.com wrote:


I’m looking at modeling a box car with a particular load. I found several cars in my documentation carrying that load (dried milk). There are two cars I can’t find any info on. They are ERIE 90115 from series 90000-90499 and GN 52928 series 51000-52999. Need to know it they’re something that could be, or has been modeled.

Clark, Erie 90115 was one of 5600 cars in the 90000-90499 series built by AC&F at Berwick, PA in 1947.  As it happens, I have builder’s portraits of that exact car, Erie 90115, which I’ll scan and send you off-list.  These were 40’ cars of AAR postwar standard design except that they were welded rather than riveted.  Roofs were rectangular panel, ends were “rolling pin” Dreadnaught, doors were postwar Youngstown corrugated doors, and Ajax hand brakes.  Cars 90000-90399 had Apex Tri-Lok running boards and Railway Truck Corp. “Snub-Up” trucks.  Cars 90400-90499 had US Gypsum running boards and Barber S-2 spring-plankless trucks.  You could model one pretty easily by taking the rivets off of a Branchline model and repainting and decal-lettering it.  

Richard Hendrickson


Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill Schneider" <bschneider424@...> wrote:

Having just finished getting one of these ready for my 1951-era layout I can
report that the careful use of the point of a #11 X-Acto blade will very
convincingly turn an "8" into a "0" simply by scraping away the center bar.


Bill Schneider

Ah, Bill, you've stolen my trick. As Andy Miller and a few others on this list can attest, some of us have been changing digits for years when needed to create a different road number or date. Not only can an "8" be opened up to a "0" but so can a "9", "6" or even a "3" when a little weathering is used. A very fine pointed brush can be a help as well with a little off-white paint. The "3" can alaso be used to make an "8" and the beat goes on.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Beer Shipments in 1950

Tony Thompson
 

Doug Harding wrote:
 
 believe a lot of beer was shipped in insulated boxcars, ie RBLs. The MRS cars looked like reefers, but with no ice bunkers. 

       In the steam and transition era, there were (statistically) no insulated box cars. The bunkerless reefers were AAR type RB. The RBL is a bunkerless car with load restraining devices, thus the "L," but these came along later. The relatively few RBs, along with plenty of conventional RS cars, were used in place of the insulated box car in the transition era. There are lots of data to support this.
       There are cargo lists identifying canned goods, including beer, being shipped in RS cars, along with the predominant cargo, kegs. There are similar bits of information for wine shipped in barrels, and a familiar Wilbur Whittaker photo of such kegs being unloaded from a PFE car.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Box car ID

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 


That car in the photo is from a series that had a vertical brake staff as built in 1937. Your car was built in 1940 and had appropriate Ajax or Universal "modern" brake gear.
 
Staffan Ehnbom
Limhamn, Sweden
 

--- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Box car ID

 

Thanks Staffan, I looked at the Jim Hayes website, but, didn’t see that number series listed. I see the car in the photo has a vertical brake staff. I assume the car in question would too?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Beer Shipments in 1950

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi David--A local friend models the Milwaukee's Beer Line in 1954 as part of his larger layout. A Beer Line email list can be found at  http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Beerlinemodelers/conversations/topics. Lots of good photos. Pabst and Blatz breweries were serviced by that line, but the predominant shipper was Schlitz.


In the research for that line in the early 50's, we found that many Schlitz shipments were in Dairy Shippers Despatch Company (DSDX) RS and RB reefers dedicated to Schlitz. From what we have found the RS cars were  formerly wood MDT cars. The Accurail wood reefers seem close enough so a small fleet has been painted and lettered for DSDX. The RB cars, at least the 4000 series, were custom built steel cars with small reefer side doors but without ice hatches or bunkers. These cars have a unique side panel and rivet pattern so no easy model is available. "Close enough" is achieved with several IM steel reefers with boxcar roofs, again painted and lettered for DSDX. Keg beer was not pastuerized so temperature control was important. It was less an issue for pateurized bottled beer. On the model railroad, op sessions are in September so ambient heat can be an issue. The normal practice is to ship kegs only in cars with ice hatches.


The photo of the PFE reefer with Schlitz kegs is interesting. Although we have accepted that hauling beer in a major reefer line car was certainly possible, until today no photo evidence had been found. Seasonal availability of these cars varied of course but now there is an additional operational possibility.


The early 50's were well before the major brewers began distributing breweries around the country. Schlitz was brewed only in Milwaukee and shipped all around the country by rail. Also the Anheuser Busch brands were only brewed in St. Louis. A-B also had a dedicated reefer line, St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. (SLRX). (Yes, similar to Swift's SRLX.) Sunshine offers a SLRX kit, and a Atlas (ex-Branchline) wood reefer can be painted and lettered into a very credible car.


Interestingly, one of the books on MILW's Beer Line has a photo showing a SLRX reefer in Milwaukee.


The bottom line is that in 1950 DSDX and SLRX RB and RS cars would have been seen in every part of the country. 


Steve Hoxie

Pensacola FL









---In STMFC@..., <andy.laurent@...> wrote:

Beer shipments typically travelled in kegs in reefers.  Milwaukee had a good concentration of breweries, served by CMSTPP...lots of URTX and western cars.  I've posted a picture in the files section of PFE 66317 being unloaded in Algoma, Wisc on the Ahnapee & Western house track by a beer distributor.  The carload would have originated in Milwaukee at Schlitz.

File name is "-HH06770 R L Holtz Beer Load 1952.JPG"
Andy Laurent


Re: Box car ID

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Staffan, I looked at the Jim Hayes website, but, didn’t see that number series listed. I see the car in the photo has a vertical brake staff. I assume the car in question would too?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Box car ID

Clark Propst
 

I should have know to check the RP Cyc on that on.  Thanks Rich!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Box car ID

Brian Carlson
 

Clark. I can answer the Erie car when I return home 
Brian Carlson. 


On Nov 7, 2013, at 3:56 PM, <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

 

I’m looking at modeling a box car with a particular load. I found several cars in my documentation carrying that load (dried milk). There are two cars I can’t find any info on. They are ERIE 90115 from series 90000-90499 and GN 52928 series 51000-52999. Need to know it they’re something that could be, or has been modeled.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Box car ID

SUVCWORR@...
 

The Erie records are in the Erie Lackawanna collection of the Special Collections, Cleveland State University, Cleveland, OH

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Box car ID

Clark Propst asked:
"I’m looking at modeling a box car with a particular load. I found several cars
in my documentation carrying that load (dried milk). There are two cars I can’t
find any info on. They are ERIE 90115 from series 90000-90499 and GN 52928
series 51000-52999. Need to know it they’re something that could be, or has been
modeled."
 
I'll take the easy one - GN 52928 series 51000-52999 is a "1937 AAR" DS boxcar. 
HO scale models by Sunshine (18.4-18.5) or Athearn.
 
 
Ben Hom


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Re: Box car ID

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"I’m looking at modeling a box car with a particular load. I found several cars in my documentation carrying that load (dried milk). There are two cars I can’t find any info on. They are ERIE 90115 from series 90000-90499 and GN 52928 series 51000-52999. Need to know it they’re something that could be, or has been modeled."
 
I'll take the easy one - GN 52928 series 51000-52999 is a "1937 AAR" DS boxcar.  HO scale models by Sunshine (18.4-18.5) or Athearn.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Box car ID

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 


The GN 52928 is modeled by the Sunshine GN
 
 
Staffan Ehnbom
 

----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Box car ID

 

I’m looking at modeling a box car with a particular load. I found several cars in my documentation carrying that load (dried milk). There are two cars I can’t find any info on. They are ERIE 90115 from series 90000-90499 and GN 52928 series 51000-52999. Need to know it they’re something that could be, or has been modeled.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Box car ID

Richard Remiarz
 

Clark,
 
The GN car is a 10' wood sheathed boxcar.  These can be modeled with the Sunshine kit.  They were the most common type of boxcar on the GN in the 50's (and into the 60's), with 6791 on the roster in mid-1956.
 
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN
 

To: STMFC@...
From: cepropst@q.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:56:48 -0600
Subject: [STMFC] Box car ID



I’m looking at modeling a box car with a particular load. I found several cars in my documentation carrying that load (dried milk). There are two cars I can’t find any info on. They are ERIE 90115 from series 90000-90499 and GN 52928 series 51000-52999. Need to know it they’re something that could be, or has been modeled.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



My Apology to Ben Hom

Bill Welch
 

Ben, please accept my apology for badly misspelling you last name. I try to be careful about such things but missed this time, I am very sorry!


Bill Welch


Box car ID

Clark Propst
 

I’m looking at modeling a box car with a particular load. I found several cars in my documentation carrying that load (dried milk). There are two cars I can’t find any info on. They are ERIE 90115 from series 90000-90499 and GN 52928 series 51000-52999. Need to know it they’re something that could be, or has been modeled.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


PFE wood reefers

ed_mines
 

Dick Hartley thanks for your comments.

 

Is it me or is the new yahoo groups hard to follow?

 

Ed Mines

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