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Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Tim O'Connor
 


The "tapered ends" appeared at the very end of his production of the kits with separate ladders and grabs,
unfortunately. They are a useful type of end seen on some cars beginning in the mid or late 1950's.




On 1/3/2022 11:58 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:

Ben according to CB&T sheets they offered different ends and roofs for their boxcars. Please see the attached
Fenton

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 11:03 AM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Jeff Helm asked:
"What are the options for the overhanging diagonal panel roof?  This seems to be one of those “missing” detail parts, for GN modelers in particular."

One option is to shorten one of the Moloco 50 ft roofs; unfortunately, the one with the running board mounting points is currently out of stock.
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Is the second car in this train one of the Reading Hersey Coca Bean Cars?

gary laakso
 


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Bob Chaparro
 

I like this car!
Many good chalk marks and car tags/placard.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] 6 wheel freight trucks

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Alex, Guys;

 

Sorry, I did not follow what car you are talking about.  Can I see a pic?  I can probably help resource this.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alexander Schneider Jr
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] 6 wheel freight trucks

 

Thanks Ben. I was able to find two pairs in a nearby shop’s old stock. They had plastic wheels, so I set about exchanging them. I discovered that the sideframes hook onto the center frame and sufficient force to allow a wheelset to slip out will pull them out. Fortunately, no damage, and Proto 2000 wheels work well.

 

I have 3 options for lettering this car:

 

  • For a PRR, NYC, Erie or other common carrier railroad
  • For GE, Westinghouse or other electrical equipment manufacturer
  • For an electric utility, with Consumers Power, Northern Indiana Public Service and American Electric Power being appropriate for the area I model. Or Commonwealth Edison, where I worked for 30 years and which owned similar cars.

 

Alex Schneider


Fw: [RealSTMFC] Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"Ben according to CB&T sheets they offered different ends and roofs for their boxcars. Please see the attached."

I don't challenge that they made different combination of ends and roofs.  I do challenge your conclusion that they share tooling with the McKeAn, Front Range, or Accurail models.  Additionally, I don't remember ever seeing C&BT models with the later improved Dreadnaught ends.  They, like their PRR Class X29B models, might be something that Dick was planning on offering but never got to market.


Ben Hom  


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido F30's

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim;

 

You can see the lip really well in the attached from the Hagley.  I am looking at the model now from ¾ overhead, and the lips are visible.  This frame is pretty much the Rapido model.

 

Then look at the F30D’s.  No lip.

 

You are right about the shape of the stake pockets.  They are slightly different on the underside.

 

I don’t think most people will care.  They are tiny differences.  The big ones I mentioned, and it is spot on for those.

 

Regards,

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 10:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido F30's

 


Eldon, to my eye it looks like the F30D stake pockets *added* a lower lip compared to the F30A, rather than removed one.



On 1/2/2022 6:39 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Jeff, Group;

 

I decided to spend enough time with mine to know what I was talking about, so here goes:

 

The cars most accurately (and do they!), represent the final and largest group of F30A built 1934-ish, with the wider B end frame extension outside the bolster, and the stake pocket lips.  They are pretty much spot on for those cars.  Mine are numbered accurately.

 

They are also pretty accurate for the F30D and F30G, except for the stake pocket lip, which if you are a real stickler, you could shave off.  I can’t believe anyone would even notice, but that’s your solution.  Touch-up paint = Modelflex Dark Tuscan Oxide Red (DTOR), for PRR era.

 

Remember:  Some F30A were converted to both F30D and F30G, so don’t get caught up in that argument.

 

The “nail hole” in the stake pocket is not a mistake.  Some F30A had them, some didn’t.  In all my research for the PRR flat car book, and staring at hundreds of photos, I never figured that out.

 

The lightening holes in the u/f are spot on.

 

The trucks are good renditions of the “spring-leaf-spring” PRR truck found on these cars.

 

The deck looks very accurate for the F30 in general.  The drilled depressions for the carriage bolts are especially well done.

 

The look of the cast frame is very convincing.

 

Even the hand brake wheel looks correct.  First time for that.

 

The design/construction choice of metal for pretty much the entire car means they track really well without a load.  Ingenious.

 

With the number that were built, and the fact they traveled all over, this is a good add for your fleet, even if you model west coast.  The F30A I repeatedly crawled all over measuring and photo documenting over the years was found at the Orange Empire Railway Museum.

 

If you want to question my enthusiasm for this car, I will admit I have been part of some PRR projects that did not turn out well.  This was an exceptionally good outcome.

 

Elden Gatwood

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

O Fenton Wells
 

Ben according to CB&T sheets they offered different ends and roofs for their boxcars. Please see the attached
Fenton

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 11:03 AM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Jeff Helm asked:
"What are the options for the overhanging diagonal panel roof?  This seems to be one of those “missing” detail parts, for GN modelers in particular."

One option is to shorten one of the Moloco 50 ft roofs; unfortunately, the one with the running board mounting points is currently out of stock.



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Staffan Ehnbom
 

I built this McKeen GN3500-3999 box in 1985 trimming the GN3000-3499 type side sill and adding a shortened Pacific HO roof.
Staffan Ehnbom

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 4:33 PM Jeff Helm <jeff.helm.60@...> wrote:
Rich,

What are the options for the overhanging diagonal panel roof?  This seems to be one of those “missing” detail parts, for GN modelers in particular.

--
Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


Re: HO code 88 wheels

Eric Hansmann
 

I do not have that data, Allen. Dennis Storzek posted info on the Accurail truck tooling. IIRC, Brian Leppert tooled the Tahoe Model Works trucks to fit the Intermountain axles.

I do not know about the other trucks but I suspect current companies releasing new freight car models (Arrowhead, ExactRail, Kadee, Moloco, Rapido, Scale Trains, Tangent, etc.) have made their tooling to fit the axle lengths of the wheelsets they sell separately.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 8:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HO code 88 wheels

 

Eric,

Thanks for the wheelset dimensions.  Do you happen to have corresponding data on various truck sideframes?
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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Tim O'Connor
 


Actually, the Moloco roof represents the late 1950's version. The earlier panels were slightly different
(different enough that when Intermountain did the R-40-25 JP Barger made them recut the roof to match
the early design) and are represented by the overhanging diagonal panel (aka ZU eave) roof produced by
Branchline (now Atlas). The Moloco roof is technically superior tooling, if that makes a difference.

Tim O'Connor


On 1/3/2022 11:03 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Jeff Helm asked:
"What are the options for the overhanging diagonal panel roof?  This seems to be one of those “missing” detail parts, for GN modelers in particular."

One option is to shorten one of the Moloco 50 ft roofs; unfortunately, the one with the running board mounting points is currently out of stock.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Benjamin Hom
 

Jeff Helm asked:
"What are the options for the overhanging diagonal panel roof?  This seems to be one of those “missing” detail parts, for GN modelers in particular."

One option is to shorten one of the Moloco 50 ft roofs; unfortunately, the one with the running board mounting points is currently out of stock.


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Tim O'Connor
 


Here is Bob Chapman's M-59 Sunshine model for comparison.


On 1/3/2022 4:28 AM, Bruce Griffin wrote:

This might be a an easy question for the group. I did do a search on the topic with no related results. I have an old B&0 decorated boxcar I will either give to a new modeler at a train show or turn into a useable prototype model. I am sure Dennis will tell me the prototype and hoping others will give me a source of decals. Or the other case, I  give it to the Historical Society and they use it as a give away for a new member. I have some Walther's hoppers headed in that direction. Thank you for your input. 

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: What is the prototype? Is there a model?

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't know about Type 30, but it looks a lot like the SP O-50-14 tank cars that were
built in 1942 and more were built later as well. An importer called "Drake" brought in HO
scale brass models.

Tim O'Connor

On 1/2/2022 10:33 PM, Matt Martin wrote:

All,

In my attempt to model prototypically accurate freight cars of the Apache Railway, I am seeking this group’s expertise.

I would like to know what kind of tank car this is:
From what I can gather it is an 8,000 Gallon (I know it’s marked 8,100 gallons) GATX Type 30 tank car. 

I believe Resin Car Works had an HO-Scale model of this or a similar car:
Can anybody confirm if I am accurate on the prototype and model? Or am I way off?

Thank you.

Matt Martin


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Jeff Helm
 

Rich,

What are the options for the overhanging diagonal panel roof?  This seems to be one of those “missing” detail parts, for GN modelers in particular.

--
Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


Re: Who makes these HO scale ladders?

Tim O'Connor
 


They look like CMA (Creative Model Associates) injection molded ladders but CMA may
have been folded into Tichy by now. CMA produced the injection molded ice rack kits that
were accurate for PFE.

Tim O'Connor




On 1/2/2022 8:50 PM, Scott wrote:

Anybody know who makes the ladders in the photo?

Think they came out of a Speedwitch kit but not sure.

Thanks,
Scott McDonald 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Plastic / Resin molds

Ray Hutchison
 

There are several detail parts that I would to (attempt to) make copies of.  I have not worked with plastic molds, or any type molds before (at least not since elementary school art classes).  I would appreciate any comments / suggestions as to best materials to use / purchase / as well as important techniques to keep in mind...

Ray Hutchison


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"I could be wrong, so someone who knows for sure, jump in but I think the Accurail is a 10’-0” I H car."

You're wrong.

"The C&BT, McKean and Front Range were10’-6” I H cars. Not that big a difference depends on one standards."

You're also wrong about the C&BT models being the same as the McKean and Front Range models.  The C&BT models have the earlier "rolling pin" improved Dreadnaught ends.

You're also wrong about the 6 inches...one of the hallmarks of this era is the "stair-stepped" profiles of trains and cuts of cars, and this small difference is needed to capture this effect.


Ben Hom


Re: Rapido F30's

Tim O'Connor
 


Eldon, to my eye it looks like the F30D stake pockets *added* a lower lip compared to the F30A, rather than removed one.



On 1/2/2022 6:39 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Jeff, Group;

 

I decided to spend enough time with mine to know what I was talking about, so here goes:

 

The cars most accurately (and do they!), represent the final and largest group of F30A built 1934-ish, with the wider B end frame extension outside the bolster, and the stake pocket lips.  They are pretty much spot on for those cars.  Mine are numbered accurately.

 

They are also pretty accurate for the F30D and F30G, except for the stake pocket lip, which if you are a real stickler, you could shave off.  I can’t believe anyone would even notice, but that’s your solution.  Touch-up paint = Modelflex Dark Tuscan Oxide Red (DTOR), for PRR era.

 

Remember:  Some F30A were converted to both F30D and F30G, so don’t get caught up in that argument.

 

The “nail hole” in the stake pocket is not a mistake.  Some F30A had them, some didn’t.  In all my research for the PRR flat car book, and staring at hundreds of photos, I never figured that out.

 

The lightening holes in the u/f are spot on.

 

The trucks are good renditions of the “spring-leaf-spring” PRR truck found on these cars.

 

The deck looks very accurate for the F30 in general.  The drilled depressions for the carriage bolts are especially well done.

 

The look of the cast frame is very convincing.

 

Even the hand brake wheel looks correct.  First time for that.

 

The design/construction choice of metal for pretty much the entire car means they track really well without a load.  Ingenious.

 

With the number that were built, and the fact they traveled all over, this is a good add for your fleet, even if you model west coast.  The F30A I repeatedly crawled all over measuring and photo documenting over the years was found at the Orange Empire Railway Museum.

 

If you want to question my enthusiasm for this car, I will admit I have been part of some PRR projects that did not turn out well.  This was an exceptionally good outcome.

 

Elden Gatwood



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

O Fenton Wells
 

I could be wrong, so someone who knows for sure, jump in but I think the Accurail is a 10’-0” I H car. The C&BT, McKean and Front Range were10’-6” I H cars. Not that big a difference depends on one standards. 
Fenton 


On Jan 3, 2022, at 9:54 AM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



In addition to trimming the side sill (which is based on the GN 3000-3499 series), the roof should be replaced with an overhanging diagonal panel roof.

 

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Clements via groups.io <mbclements@...>
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 8:32:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.
 
You have to trim the sill, but it is essentially a Great Northern prototype (series 3500-3999 I think.) 12' doors on 40' car was somewhat passe by the mid 1950s, so you aren't going to find too many more prototypes to match those sides with a diagonal panel roof and late improved dreadnaught ends (Wabash maybe? -  if there are other cars close to this spec I'd love to know). This was a Front Range or McKeen car that Accurail retooled with cast on details and their standard underframe. I have a set of the jumbo GN decals from Champ (first photo of GN 3582) that I still intend to use after I rebuild my Accurail car with Branchline ends.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn3582ajs.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn-b3975.jpg

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: What is the prototype? Is there a model?

Ray Hutchison
 

I like the hose on the side of the car.  Good detail for modeling.

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