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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Is that an SAL ventilated box (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Looking at it, it appears to be a set-out, and I really buy Rich's observation; the car, though is a real rarity on rails around Pgh. I suppose it could have been grabbed after a "fruit run" or something, out of the Pgh Produce Yards, and used locally before being routed back south. It is just yet another really interesting photo that disproves the absolutes of what freight cars did at any given time. Look hard enough and everything eventually comes around...

Elden Gatwood

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Living in Pittsburgh now, and both Doug's and Rich's possibilities are good. Most of the glass firms were on the Monongahela river and south of Pittsburgh. The PRR, B&O, and the P&VW were the major "movers" of glass out of the "Mon" Valley. Pittsburgh Plate Glass is headquartered in Pittsburgh and had a couple of plants here. There were several major furniture warehouses in the area as well. This included, of course, Maystren.
The photo is certainly interesting. Thanks Doug and Rich for your inputs.
Jim

Jim Babcock


On Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:35 PM, "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


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Nice insight, Rich!

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Is that an SAL ventilated box (UNCLASSIFIED)

Considering the location, it could be a car load of glass vase for Maystern's. The Maystern warehouse was at this location with the B&O dock on the ground floor and the PRR access being internal on the third floor. Maystern was a local low- to mid- end furniture and household retail chain.

Rich Orr

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Re: small diameter brass tubes

Barry Bennett
 

www.albionalloys.co.uk make far more than just brass tubing, they do nickel silver, copper and aluminium as well.

Barry Bennett 


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:49 PM, <ed_mines@...> wrote:
 

Small diameter brass tubes  are made by Albion Alloys in Great Brittain and available from Red Frog Hobbies, Sprue Brothers Models and E bay in the US.

 

Merry Christmas to all.

 

Ed Mines
small diameter brass tubes

ed_mines
 

Small diameter brass tubes  are made by Albion Alloys in Great Brittain and available from Red Frog Hobbies, Sprue Brothers Models and E bay in the US.

 

Merry Christmas to all.

 

Ed Mines
Re: Seeking info: C&O and Pere Marquette steel boxcars

ed_mines
 

I have interest in these cars too.

 

C&Os car was near identical to Erie's.

 

Both cars (C&O & PM) are well described in the steam era freight car books once available from the respective societies.

 

There is a drawing (albeit not HO scale!) in Mainline Modeler (Erie car I think) and also an article comparing the 3 cars to PRR's X29 with indented ends (rivet pattern is not exact but close).

 

The roof for the C&O and Erie cars is part of an F&C flat kit for a slightly later C&O car. Don't know if the width is exactly the same. Haven't yet tried to buy a roof alone.

 

Ed Mines
Re: CNJ sinlge sheathed box car similar to Accurail

ed_mines
 

Thanks Richard. You are indeed the dean of steam era freight car modelers. Seasons greetings to all.

 

Ed Mines
Is White, White, White; was Decals, decals, decals

Charles Hostetler
 

Good Afternoon All,

I found the real issue facing the modeler who wants to produce decals is simply the ability to print white, not whether the artwork is printed on decal paper or dry transfer paper or whatever. Clear decal paper of high quality is readily available and reasonably inexpensive; and printing non-white decals using a laser printer is readily achievable. The problem for me was finding a way to print white on that paper using a technology I felt was precise, controllable, and accessible. Those interested can find some background material on these posts:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2013/11/background-for-prototype-rails-2014.html

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2013/11/background-for-pr-2014-addendum.html

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2013/11/more-background-for-pr2014.html


This also happens to be the topic of my presentation at Cocoa Beach where I'll be elaborating on my results and passing around some samples.

I'm not a commercial concern, but I am interested in collaborative projects to help learn about the process and refine my skills. I'd be glad to hear from anyone interested in a project using the white laser printing process but please contact me off list.

Regards,

Charles Hostetler
Goshen, Ind.
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Is that an SAL ventilated box (UNCLASSIFIED)

James Babcock
 

Living in Pittsburgh now, and both Doug's and Rich's possibilities are good. Most of the glass firms were on the Monongahela river and south of Pittsburgh. The PRR, B&O, and the P&VW were the major "movers" of glass out of the "Mon" Valley. Pittsburgh Plate Glass is headquartered in Pittsburgh and had a couple of plants here. There were several major furniture warehouses in the area as well. This included, of course, Maystren.
The photo is certainly interesting. Thanks Doug and Rich for your inputs.
Jim
 
Jim Babcock


On Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:35 PM, "Gatwood, Elden SAW" wrote:
 
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Nice insight, Rich!

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Is that an SAL ventilated box (UNCLASSIFIED)

Considering the location, it could be a car load of glass vase for Maystern's. The Maystern warehouse was at this location with the B&O dock on the ground floor and the PRR access being internal on the third floor. Maystern was a local low- to mid- end furniture and household retail chain.

Rich Orr

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Is that an SAL ventilated box (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Nice insight, Rich!

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Is that an SAL ventilated box (UNCLASSIFIED)



Considering the location, it could be a car load of glass vase for Maystern's. The Maystern warehouse was at this location with the B&O dock on the ground floor and the PRR access being internal on the third floor. Maystern was a local low- to mid- end furniture and household retail chain.

Rich Orr





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Re: Is that an SAL ventilated box (UNCLASSIFIED)

SUVCWORR@...
 

Considering the location, it could be a car load of glass vase for Maystern's.  The Maystern warehouse was at this location with the B&O dock on the ground floor and the PRR access being internal on the third floor. Maystern was a local low- to mid- end furniture and household retail chain.

Rich Orr
Re: Decals, decals, decals

Dan L. Merkel <danmerkel@...>
 

There used to be several different applications for decals... from pottery to fine lettering on woodworking.  But as someone else has (I think) correctly stated here, that has pretty much been replaced with laser printing.
 
But speaking of niches, I'm surprised that the ALPS printer and its ability to print decals, especially white ones, never really caught on in the modeling field.  I still have mine and thoroughly enjoy cranking out specialty decals for unique cars and other projects.  But even that appears doomed as ALPS is soon to discontinue all supplies for their printers which haven't been on the market for probably close to ten years now.
 
dlm
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Dan L. Merkel
NKPHTS Membership Director
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Re: microtubing

william darnaby
 

I use this same tubing also.mostly for flag holders on my locos (that haul
steam era freight cars, of course). Even easier than pliers is to drill a
hole in thick styrene.say .125 x .250. that is the diameter of the tubing.
Insert the tubing in the hole and cut off the protruding bit with a cutoff
wheel.



Bill Darnaby



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Sperandeo
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] microtubing








Hello Ed,



I use tubing from Ngineering (www.ngineering.com, also listed in the
Walthers catalog). It is stainless, but it's easy to get. To cut it, hold
the short piece you want with pliers and use a motor tool cutoff wheel to
cut just above the plier jaws. The long piece you cut off will be easier to
find than the little piece you're left holding. All with safety glasses, of
course!



Merry Christmas,



Andy












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Mt. Vernon of Pressed Steel?

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

I'm also working on a Pressed Steel Car production list. I need to separate cars built at Mt. Vernon and McKees Rocks from 1945 on since attribution was often ambiguous after the two companies merged. These need to be confirmed, preferably from makings on cars such as brake test or lubication data.
 
ACL 15000-15001 Unicel box
ATSF 8500-8999 Fe-27
ATSF 75000-75499 Ga-87
ATSF 168600-168699 Ga-70
Consolidated of Cuba including 17190 (40' box car)
D&RGW 46500-46999
ITC 3100-3199
NC&StL 41000-41024
P&WV 1-600
SOU 318000-318149
WAB 12050-12099
 
Thanks,
Eric
Re: Is that an SAL ventilated box (UNCLASSIFIED)

Douglas Harding
 

The Pittsburg area had a number of glass manufactures. My wife collects Depression Glass and several of the patterns she likes came from glass companies in the Pittsburg area. It could be the car is loaded with product from one of those factories, ie large bowls, urns, pots, vases, etc. The placard or sign is probably a caution against humping or hard switching.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
Is that an SAL ventilated box (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Chicago 16th st team tracks 1911 and IHB and other box cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=hpicasc_ci;med=1;q1=AIS.2012.03;size=20;c=hpicasc;back=back1387465916;subview=detail;resnum=49;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-201203.1911.3484;viewid=20130206-HPICASC-0052.TIF

really nice team track shot plus IHB and PRR box cars

Elden Gatwood



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Re: microtubing

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hello Ed,

I use tubing from Ngineering (www.ngineering.com, also listed in the Walthers catalog). It is stainless, but it's easy to get. To cut it, hold the short piece you want with pliers and use a motor tool cutoff wheel to cut just above the plier jaws. The long piece you cut off will be easier to find than the little piece you're left holding. All with safety glasses, of course!

Merry Christmas,

Andy
Re: CNJ sinlge sheathed box car similar to Accurail

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Gee, I totally forgot about that demo CNJ photo roster I had up  on my own site. Doh! Looking at the car Craig attributes to 17000-17999 and comparing to the photos of the 17000s, the differences in several small details like the gussets between the side braces and the striker casting makes me question his attribution. It doesn't seem to match any of the other CNJ cars, so perhaps it isn't even a CNJ car at all.
 
Eric
 
 

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] CNJ sinlge sheathed box car similar to Accurail

 

hi

please see:

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/168/12176/february-2003-page-22


third shot here shows what looks to be a car from the CNJ series 17000-17499 or 17500-17599


http://www.gingerb.com/lehigh_gap_station.htm


Bossler's CNJ/LV Color Guide pg 62 shows a car from either of the series (the radial roof was replaced by hutchins peaked roofs on the later series on many cars) but it's not possible to say which as all lettering faded by that time.  car has a 7/7 end by that point. no idea when it got it. 


two builders' photos are linked to from the pdf here:


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Feaneubauer.ipower.com%2Fc1918.pdf&ei=Q62yUtebJ6Ww7AbP8oGQCg&usg=AFQjCNGGAeUsncR3InFXh2oUqvu5ZJuaJA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.ZGU


eaneubauer.ipower.com/c1918.pdf‎


an end shot of a very similar CB&Q series: 

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=12&pid=95#top_display_media

regards,

Benjamin S.


On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:55 PM, ed_mines@... wrote:

Can anyone lead me to a good photo of a car with a sinlge sheathed end? Anyone have solid data regarding the roofs? Underframes? (was it a fishbelly like the Accurail cars or the Tichy flat car)?
 With the abundance of photos of cars with Murphy ends is it possible that the single sheathed ended cars were rebuilt with replacement steel ends?
Re: CNJ sinlge sheathed box car similar to Accurail

Benjamin Scanlon
 

hi

please see:

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/168/12176/february-2003-page-22


third shot here shows what looks to be a car from the CNJ series 17000-17499 or 17500-17599


http://www.gingerb.com/lehigh_gap_station.htm


Bossler's CNJ/LV Color Guide pg 62 shows a car from either of the series (the radial roof was replaced by hutchins peaked roofs on the later series on many cars) but it's not possible to say which as all lettering faded by that time.  car has a 7/7 end by that point. no idea when it got it. 


two builders' photos are linked to from the pdf here:


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Feaneubauer.ipower.com%2Fc1918.pdf&ei=Q62yUtebJ6Ww7AbP8oGQCg&usg=AFQjCNGGAeUsncR3InFXh2oUqvu5ZJuaJA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.ZGU


eaneubauer.ipower.com/c1918.pdf‎


an end shot of a very similar CB&Q series: 

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=12&pid=95#top_display_media

regards,

Benjamin S.


On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:55 PM, ed_mines@... wrote:

Can anyone lead me to a good photo of a car with a sinlge sheathed end? Anyone have solid data regarding the roofs? Underframes? (was it a fishbelly like the Accurail cars or the Tichy flat car)?
 With the abundance of photos of cars with Murphy ends is it possible that the single sheathed ended cars were rebuilt with replacement steel ends?
Re: [resinfreightcars] Latest Sunshine order

Jim Hayes
 

I'm out of town for a few days. I'll update the list when I return to my home computer.

Jim 
Re: CNJ sinlge sheathed box car similar to Accurail

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:55 PM, ed_mines@... wrote:

Can anyone lead me to a good photo of a car with a sinlge sheathed end? Anyone have solid data regarding the roofs? Underframes? (was it a fishbelly like the Accurail cars or the Tichy flat car)?
 With the abundance of photos of cars with Murphy ends is it possible that the single sheathed ended cars were rebuilt with replacement steel ends?
Ed, I’m sending you some scans off-list.

Richard Hendrickson
77921 - 77940 of 198533