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Re: SFRD Questions

Nelson Moyer
 

The only photo of a Rr-45 I have is the one the Vol. 2 of the reefer book, and small lettering isn’t readable.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Tom Casey commented:

If you have a proto photo, there would be stenciling along the lower side to indicate the presence of a slack adjuster.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: SFRD Questions

Bob Chaparro
 

Tom Casey commented:

If you have a proto photo, there would be stenciling along the lower side to indicate the presence of a slack adjuster.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Quality Craft kit question

Tim O'Connor
 


Wow I have to assume you guys have never decaled a model with L and R or A and B labels.
I got it backwards. So shoot me!

:-D

On 12/20/2021 8:51 PM, fire5506 via groups.io wrote:

Tim,

  I would not go by a picture of a model as either it IS on both sides or the model is wrong as the picture in the Pullman archives shows it just opposite with the A-end on the right and the B-end on the left. Since it is a builders photo I would figure that the ends are marked correctly. I don't know if all the cars are the same as your picture is of a different car.

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-GPxx846/A

Richard 

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Re: Quality Craft kit question

Tim O'Connor
 

Jack

LOL !!! :-D  You realize I put those decals on, right? The two ends are identical. I just picked
one end to call B and the other A.


On 12/20/2021 7:02 PM, Jack Mullen wrote:

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 06:44 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Only on one side, with the "A end" on the left and the "B end" to the right.
But your photo of the Overland model shows the train line on the L (left) side, while the builder's photo of 90996
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-GPxx846/A
shows the train line on the R (right) side, with the A end to the right in the broadside photo.
Even high quality models aren't necessarily reliable prototype evidence.

Jack Mullen


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Quality Craft kit question

fire5506
 

Tim,

  I would not go by a picture of a model as either it IS on both sides or the model is wrong as the picture in the Pullman archives shows it just opposite with the A-end on the right and the B-end on the left. Since it is a builders photo I would figure that the ends are marked correctly. I don't know if all the cars are the same as your picture is of a different car.

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-GPxx846/A

Richard 


On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 09:44 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Not on BOTH sides. Only on one side, with the "A end" on the left and the "B end" to the right. The trainline MUST be
passed through to maintain to provide continuity throughout the train!

Tim O'Connor



On 12/19/2021 9:23 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 03:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Overland's model. The AB stuff is up above the trucks. An easily omitted detail.
So, does the Overland Models car have a train line on each side, which was the original question? Quite frankly, I don't see the need if the car really has two full AB brake systems.

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Quality Craft kit question

Tony Thompson
 

It should be lettered on the car.
Tony Thompson 


On Dec 20, 2021, at 4:07 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


How does one determine the A and B end on this car?

Bill Pardie



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On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 06:44 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Only on one side, with the "A end" on the left and the "B end" to the right.
But your photo of the Overland model shows the train line on the L (left) side, while the builder's photo of 90996
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-GPxx846/A
shows the train line on the R (right) side, with the A end to the right in the broadside photo.
Even high quality models aren't necessarily reliable prototype evidence.

Jack Mullen


Re: Quality Craft kit question

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Jack,
 
If you enlarge the Pullman Library photo, you’ll find “A End” stenciled on the side between the towing staple and the stirrup step at the right side of the photo.
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
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On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 06:44 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Only on one side, with the "A end" on the left and the "B end" to the right.
But your photo of the Overland model shows the train line on the L (left) side, while the builder's photo of 90996
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-GPxx846/A
shows the train line on the R (right) side, with the A end to the right in the broadside photo.
Even high quality models aren't necessarily reliable prototype evidence.

Jack Mullen


Re: Quality Craft kit question

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

How does one determine the A and B end on this car?

Bill Pardie



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From: Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...>
Date: 12/20/21 2:02 PM (GMT-10:00)
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On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 06:44 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Only on one side, with the "A end" on the left and the "B end" to the right.
But your photo of the Overland model shows the train line on the L (left) side, while the builder's photo of 90996
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-GPxx846/A
shows the train line on the R (right) side, with the A end to the right in the broadside photo.
Even high quality models aren't necessarily reliable prototype evidence.

Jack Mullen


Re: Quality Craft kit question

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 06:44 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Only on one side, with the "A end" on the left and the "B end" to the right.
But your photo of the Overland model shows the train line on the L (left) side, while the builder's photo of 90996
https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Railroad-C/i-GPxx846/A
shows the train line on the R (right) side, with the A end to the right in the broadside photo.
Even high quality models aren't necessarily reliable prototype evidence.

Jack Mullen


Re: Another SFRD Question

Tony Thompson
 

Philip Dove wrote:

Would l be right in assuming bare metal running boards were actually galvanised?
Yes, for any steel part, since before World War I.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Sfrd

Philip Dove
 

If the running boards were plain unpainted steel they would be very corroded and rust coloured, after a few years,. If as seemed logical they were galvanized they were a different colour. If your wondering how to paint the car then knowing if a running board is red oxide or grey seems fundamental to me. I also wanted to know for my own information. 
Regards Philip Dove. 


Re: Another SFRD Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thank you , Tony! That’s exactly what I wanted to know to make an informed decision.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Nelson Moyer  wrote:

Thanks, Bruce. I’m thinking a steel reefer might have a shorter ‘normal’ repaint schedule than a steel boxcar because of salt corrosion. I’m building three cars built in 1945 and one car built in 1948. I model 1953 . . .

 

Modelers tend to exaggerate the role of salt in produce shipping, It was not widely used, and when used was small percentages like 5 percent, compared to the 20 or 30 percent often used with meat shipments.

PFE had the intent to repaint its steel cars every 10 to 12 years. Of course repairs or damage could result in earlier repainting. One could make the case, though, that most 1945-built cars wouldn’t really be up for repainting by 1953 (the same year I model, incidentally).

 

Tony Thompson

 

 


Re: Another SFRD Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Of course the running boards and hatch platforms are galvanized steel. According to Santa Fe Railway Rolling Stock Reference Series Vol. 2 Refrigerator Cars, Ice Bunker Cars 1884-1979, beginning in 1944 steel running boards and hatch platforms were installed on all new equipment in compliance with the ban on wood running boards for new construction. The book further states that running boards and hatch platforms were painted with black non-slip paint when the cars were first repainted and on subsequent repaints. I fail to see the relevancy of your response.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Would l be right in assuming bare metal running boards were actually galvanised? Galvanized metal is difficult to paint when new, unless you give the galvanising some kind of acid wash or use a very aggressive etch primer which would damage the protective galvanising. Brand new galvanized metal is silver, as it gets older it dulls down to a mid blue grey, about the colour of grey on a UP diesel, perhaps a tad lighter..


Re: Another SFRD Question

Philip Dove
 

Would l be right in assuming bare metal running boards were actually galvanised? Galvanized metal is difficult to paint when new, unless you give the galvanising some kind of acid wash or use a very aggressive etch primer which would damage the protective galvanising. Brand new galvanized metal is silver, as it gets older it dulls down to a mid blue grey, about the colour of grey on a UP diesel, perhaps a tad lighter..


Re: Another SFRD Question

Tony Thompson
 




Nelson Moyer  wrote:
Thanks, Bruce. I’m thinking a steel reefer might have a shorter ‘normal’ repaint schedule than a steel boxcar because of salt corrosion. I’m building three cars built in 1945 and one car built in 1948. I model 1953 . . .

Modelers tend to exaggerate the role of salt in produce shipping, It was not widely used, and when used was small percentages like 5 percent, compared to the 20 or 30 percent often used with meat shipments.
PFE had the intent to repaint its steel cars every 10 to 12 years. Of course repairs or damage could result in earlier repainting. One could make the case, though, that most 1945-built cars wouldn’t really be up for repainting by 1953 (the same year I model, incidentally).

Tony Thompson



SL&SF Box Cars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Does anyone know if the painting pactice for SL&SF box cars in the late 30's and early 40's had the underframes and trucks painted back or box car red?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Bill Pardie


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Photo: Unloading Cans At A Brewery (Circa 1955)

Bruce Smith
 

Bob, Nelson,

I'll second that and note that I I'll happily do most in the "expected" level of paint and weathering and then the odd one, so Nelson, I'd go with paint some but not others and adjust weathering to match. I'll often paint the 10 year old car in new paint and the 9 year old car in old grungy weathered paint to show the repainting interval.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Photo: Unloading Cans At A Brewery (Circa 1955)

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Missoula Brewing Company, exterior of the brewery showing loading ramp and train car.

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Re: Photo: Unloading Cans At A Brewery (Circa 1955)

Tim O'Connor
 


It's a Union Pacific B-50-50 built in 1957 and it looks like it has seen some use.



On 12/20/2021 2:52 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Unloading Cans At A Brewery (Circa 1955)

Photo from the Montana Memory Project:

https://tinyurl.com/2jw7thm4

Description:

Missoula Brewing Company, exterior of the brewery showing loading ramp and train car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Another SFRD Question

Nelson Moyer
 

That was my middle option in the reply to Bruce. Unless I hear that few steel reefers weren’t repainted by eight years, I’ll paint two and leave one unpainted. If I paint the running boards and hatch platforms, that means the paint would be 2-3 years old by 1953, so there wouldn’t be much corrosion or road grime. A car with unpainted running board and hatch platforms could look pretty dirty and corroded by 1953.

 

Reefer strings are the perfect cars to show off variable weathering, so that’s something I want to reproduce.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Nelson,

A different perspective and philosophy.  I like variety in my freight car fleet, so I weather my cars differently, even cars that have the same built dates.  Differences in travel, geographies traveled, and lading contribute to a car's overall weathering, so I try to depict that.  I'd probably paint and weather each of the 1945 cars differently.

Todd Sullivan

 


Re: Another SFRD Question

Todd Sullivan
 

Nelson,

A different perspective and philosophy.  I like variety in my freight car fleet, so I weather my cars differently, even cars that have the same built dates.  Differences in travel, geographies traveled, and lading contribute to a car's overall weathering, so I try to depict that.  I'd probably paint and weather each of the 1945 cars differently.

Todd Sullivan

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