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Milwaukee - Fowler clones

hummerdaves
 

Group I'm looking for info on Fowler clones did the Milwaukee have any
and what number range might they be in if they did have any,
Regards
Dave Schroedle


water out of the tender for fire hoses

ed_mines
 

Water cound be taken from the tender using an appliance called a syphon.
The syphon used steam to create a vaccum to pull water from the tender.

Some of you may remember a gismo from science class that was attached to a faucet and created a vacuum. In place of the water the rail syphon
used steam.

I think most locomotives used syphons to pump water from the tender to the boiler.

Ed Mines


Chuck Davis

ed_mines
 

Anyone acquainted with Chuck Davis who exhibited at the recent Coco Beach convention? I want contact infomation.

Ed Mines


Re: What freight car drawings are available and where are they?

SUVCWORR@...
 

George,

The drawings and ordering instructions on the holdings of the PRRT&HS can be found at

http://www.prrths.com/Lewistown%20Archives/PRR_Microfilm.html

These will be prints from microfilm created from the originals.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:00 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Fwd: What freight car drawings are available and where are they?




Seeing the Larry to Larry exchange reminds me again of a project the members of
the freight car group may want to undertake.

Assuming a comprehensive list has never been prepared (?), what railroad or car
builders freight car drawings are known to be available from whatever source?
I am not talking about a comprehensive index of every drawing, although that
would be a superb resource, but simply a general list of what RR's drawings may
be available.
For example, the Southern Railway Historical Association has the linens of
virtually every SR freight car drawing produced since about 1904 and the CofG
freight car drawings for most cars in service when it became part of the
Southern. A large proportion of the larger drawings in the SRHA archives at
Kennesaw have been scanned so making and shipping blue prints or Xerox copies is
not required.

I am aware of some drawings at the ACL/SAL group, the PRR, NYC and C&O groups,
and others, but only to the point of knowing they have something but do not have
enough information to ask (pay for) anyone for copies for modeling projects.

Is this something for the STMFC group to consider?

Ike

PS Some of the early to mid 1900s freight car drawings are literally works of
art. If anyone is not familiar with the draftsmen's work of the era, I will be
happy to see about posting a few on the SRHA web site if people are interested.



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Re: Reading freight car drawings

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Larry Sexton" wrote:

In the January 1981 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman, there was an ad on
page 114 for Reading locomotive and freightcar equipment drawings. Per the
ad, Ed Wiswesser and the Reading Model Engineers were offering approximately
100 O scale drawings for sale. 25 of the drawings were stated to be of
freightcars. The ad also stated that there were plans to release
complementary lettering and painting diagrams.



Does anyone have any of the freightcar drawings and would they be willing to
share that information? My understanding is that Ed Wiswesser passed on
several years ago, otherwise I'd contact him directly.



Larry Sexton
I had most of them and probably still do. I'll have to look. All of the drawings were in O scale (actual blueprints I think)and were originally drawn much earlier (maybe in the '40s). Most if not all were of RDG cars.

Ed Mines


Re: reprint of the Cullotta RMC freight car series

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Mines wrote:
"Richard, do you remember the cost of the SFRD spiral
bound reprint?"

You could have looked at the SFRHMS Company Store website, Ed.
http://atsfrr.org/store/bookFrt.htm

$45.


Ben Hom


Re: reprint of the Cullotta RMC freight car series

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Bruce F. Smith" wrote:
$50 is far more realistic for a price than $25 and depending on reproduction quality and perceived demand, the price could be even higher.

Think so Tony? Richard? Richard, do you remember the cost of the SFRD spiral bound reprint?

I have all the issues or the articles torn out. Finding them is worth $25.

Ed Mines


Re: What freight car drawings are available and where are they?

albyrno
 

These are on-line,I beleive 1919 is the newest I have been able to find,they have great builders drawings.
 Alan
http://openlibrary.org/books/OL20493956M/Car_Builders'_Cyclopedia_of_American_Practice

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183513 for 1895

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183190 for 1909

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183208 for 1913

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183216 for 1916
 
http://ebook.lib.hku.hk/CADAL/B3139551X/>1919

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Re: What freight car drawings are available and where are they?

Tim O'Connor
 

Ike -- Collectively, the STMFC list embodies the knowledge that you seek. IMO that is why we started
these mailing lists 16-17 or so years ago. The compilation that you suggest would be a major undertaking.
Many man years of effort.

My dad had a joke plaque hung in the basement next to his work table:

"Don't start vast projects with half-vast ideas."

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Eichelberger" <geichelberger@...>

Seeing the Larry to Larry exchange reminds me again of a project the members of the freight car group may want to undertake.

Assuming a comprehensive list has never been prepared (?), what railroad or car builders freight car drawings are known to be available from whatever source?
I am not talking about a comprehensive index of every drawing, although that would be a superb resource, but simply a general list of what RR's drawings may be available.
For example, the Southern Railway Historical Association has the linens of virtually every SR freight car drawing produced since about 1904 and the CofG freight car drawings for most cars in service when it became part of the Southern. A large proportion of the larger drawings in the SRHA archives at Kennesaw have been scanned so making and shipping blue prints or Xerox copies is not required.

I am aware of some drawings at the ACL/SAL group, the PRR, NYC and C&O groups, and others, but only to the point of knowing they have something but do not have enough information to ask (pay for) anyone for copies for modeling projects.

Is this something for the STMFC group to consider?

Ike

PS Some of the early to mid 1900s freight car drawings are literally works of art. If anyone is not familiar with the draftsmen's work of the era, I will be happy to see about posting a few on the SRHA web site if people are interested.


Re: UP water spray from tenders on 4000 and 3900 class engines

Tim O'Connor
 

I would think that any freight cars that required expedited handling or mainline pickups
and setouts were located at the head end of the train -- whether it was milk or cows or
LCL or whatever. Many freight train photos may show such expedited cars but we just
don't recognize it because they don't look any different than other cars in the train.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Holmes" <lehighvalley@...>

This morning I watched an old documentary on the NH railroad shot probably
in the early 40's or late 30's. There were some American Flyer coaches in
the documentary and the NH was in bankruptcy so this should help date the
documentary. One shot was of a freight train that had about 10 stock cars
right behind a coal burning steam engine. It would appear that the
practice of putting stock cars directly behind the locomotive was not just
a western railroad practice.

Joel Holmes


What freight car drawings are available and where are they?

George Eichelberger
 

Seeing the Larry to Larry exchange reminds me again of a project the members of the freight car group may want to undertake.

Assuming a comprehensive list has never been prepared (?), what railroad or car builders freight car drawings are known to be available from whatever source?
I am not talking about a comprehensive index of every drawing, although that would be a superb resource, but simply a general list of what RR's drawings may be available.
For example, the Southern Railway Historical Association has the linens of virtually every SR freight car drawing produced since about 1904 and the CofG freight car drawings for most cars in service when it became part of the Southern. A large proportion of the larger drawings in the SRHA archives at Kennesaw have been scanned so making and shipping blue prints or Xerox copies is not required.

I am aware of some drawings at the ACL/SAL group, the PRR, NYC and C&O groups, and others, but only to the point of knowing they have something but do not have enough information to ask (pay for) anyone for copies for modeling projects.

Is this something for the STMFC group to consider?

Ike

PS Some of the early to mid 1900s freight car drawings are literally works of art. If anyone is not familiar with the draftsmen's work of the era, I will be happy to see about posting a few on the SRHA web site if people are interested.


trying to contact Steve Priest

Bill Welch
 

I made it a point to talk to Steve Priest at Cocoa Beach and get his
card for his contact info but lost or misplaced it in the interim.
Could someone kindly send me his current email address to my email
address below. Thanks much!

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...


Information Request: D&H ORER 1951-1953

Benjamin Hom
 

All,

Looking for the D&H ORER listings for 1951, 1952, and 1953; scans of the January issue preferred but I'll be happy with other issues or formats. Thanks in advance!


Ben Hom


F&C New Haven 36' Rebuilt Boxcar with steel doors and ends and 1942 billboard lettering

gary laakso
 

There is a fleeting glimpse of one of these rare cars in the VHS from the C&NWHS called “Steam & Diesels of the 1940s” filmed by Boyd W. Travis. Its on a Nickel Plate steam train and likely filmed in the late 1950s. I attended the clinic on these cars at Cocoa Beach and now know to look for them now. I will need to move this kit up in the queue for assembly and painting. I don’t believe this tape has been re-issued as a DVD.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...

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Re: Pennsy X43b

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"Were the side panels of these cars welded instead of riveted together?"

Not the Class X43B cars.  You're thinking of the Class X43A cars, which had
12-panel welded sides.


Ben Hom


Re: Pennsy X43b

Clark Propst
 

Were the side panels of these cars welded instead of riveted together?
Clark Propst


Re: UP water spray from tenders on 4000 and 3900 class engines

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi Richard,

This morning I watched an old documentary on the NH railroad shot probably
in the early 40's or late 30's. There were some American Flyer coaches in
the documentary and the NH was in bankruptcy so this should help date the
documentary. One shot was of a freight train that had about 10 stock cars
right behind a coal burning steam engine. It would appear that the
practice of putting stock cars directly behind the locomotive was not just
a western railroad practice.

Joel Holmes

On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Mike Brock <brockm@...> wrote:

Joel Unknown last name [ Note Joel, that STMFC rules require both first
and
last names. We want to know who we are talking to ] writes:

"On my UP videos, it was stated that UP always placed the stock cars
behind
the tender so as to attach a hose to water down the straw to prevent
fires
from flying coals."

Kratville notes in his book Big Boy that UP Big Boys and Challengers had
a
tendency to generate fires at trackside due to the rain of hot cinders
they
produced [ I can confirm Kratville's statement ]. Big Boys and
Challengers
came with a water spray unit on the top rear of the tender. This unit
could,
apparently, provide a water spray for 15 car lengths. Kratville notes
that
it's use was discontinued after a few years but not removed. The last
use
occurred in 1958. The water came from the left injector's discharge and
was
piped through the tender for cooling. There are photos on pg 68 and 69.
Models imported by Key of Big Boy 4010 and Challenger 3943 contain this
spray device which rests on the rear light on the tender.
Fascinating, Mike. Who (besides you) knew? I'll just add that, as far as
I know, that device was unique to the UP locomotives and was not used by
any other western stock haulers, so it had nothing to do with the
practice, followed by every railroad that hauled livestock, of blocking
stock cars at the head of the train.

Richard Hendrickson






Re: D&RGW 60200 series (ex-65100 series)

gn999gn
 

Richard -

You could start here.
http://sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun96d.pdf

Ron dePierre

--- In STMFC@..., richtownsend@... wrote:



I have a question regarding the D&RGW 60200 series (ex-65100 series) automobile cars. These are the pre-WWII PSC cars with the unique 6-foot and 9-foot doors. The side panels to the left of the doors have rows of closely-spaced rivets where the panels overlap. Outboard of these are rows of more widely-spaced rivets, presumably attaching the side sheets to the cars' internal structure. Here's my problem: in the few photos of these cars I have seen the closely-spaced rivet rows are obvious, but eh widely-spaced ones seem to be absent. At first I thought this was just a trick of the lighting, but closer examination of the photos leads me to question this. Does anyone know what the real situation is? Here's an example from the fallen flags site: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/drgw/drgw60318csa.jpg

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon



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Re: Pennsy X43b

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Steve. I managed to find that website yesterday. I won't get the kit till tonight's ops. I will check over the parts before keeping it : )
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Hoxie" wrote:


I understand that you have the BL kit for this car. It should have all the right parts. Mine did. Unless someone ever can show me differently, my assumption has been that both number series were identical with different numbers only because they came from different manufacturers. Aside from any upgrading of detail parts, the only change to be made is squaring off the side tabs as shown in the photo.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Pennsy X43b

Clark Propst
 

Tim, I found that Rom Sims color photo of 31049 on line. That car has the 4/3/R ends [different from the kits] It appears to have a diagonal panel roof [different than the kits], but it does have the smae Youngstown doors. Below is a note from Ed's spread sheet on AAR 44 cars.
IC Series 30500-31999 was built during a transition when 4/4 IDN ends were being changed to R+3/4 IDN ends. An undetermined number of cars came with 4/4 IDN ends (#30740 verified by photo). C 31448 had R+3/4 IDN Ends per photographic evidence. Cars in series 30500-31249 used Youngstown (YSD-2) Doors and 31250-31999 had 7-panel Superior doors.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor wrote:


Clark, IC 31096 had an APEX rb as far as I know. Only 31500-31999 had
Morton rbs. BLT didn't give you a rectangular panel roof? Surprising,
since they were usually good about that detail. Although BLT made a
4/4 'rolling pin' end I don't think they did the "IDE-2" (using Hawkins
classification) -- only Intermountain did that one. I think 30500-31249
had Universal hand brakes. Did BLT at least get the doors right? 7p SUP
with Camel hardware. A photo of IC 31049 shows ASF A-3 trucks -- BLT only
did the Barber S-2-A which was just as popular a design.

Tim O'Connor


I just picked up a Branchline IC 30500-31999 car. It appears the particular car I want to model, 31096, had different ends, roof, hand brake, running board and trucks than what is included in the BLT kit.

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