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Re: USRA SS boxcars with composite ends & doors

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Benjamin Scanlon wrote:
i wonder if a lot of what are called 'fowler clones' are mixed up with other howe truss designs. the georgia & florida cars for example are listed as howe truss boxcars by sunshine kits but by others called fowler clones ... or are a howe truss boxcar and a fowler clone one and the same?
Partly because the actual Fowler patent was for a way to tighten sheathing on single-sheathed cars, the term "Fowler clone" may not make much sense when applied to any cars other than direct copies of the original Canadian cars. I believe that Al Westerfield, among others, now disavows the term "Fowler clone."
Despite what we sometimes see on this list, "clone" does not mean "sorta the same general appearance" -- you could look it up. I especially dislike use of the "Fowler" term to apply to Howe truss box cars in general, as Mr. Scanlon rightly questions.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: USRA SS boxcars with composite ends & doors

Benjamin Scanlon
 

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom wrote:

Andy Carlson wrote:
"I know of one single sheathed boxcar in TT molded in styrene plastic. It is the

so-called Fowler design used by the D&RGW, among possible others. It is a flat
kit offered by Jerry Versa, formerly of Intermountain and other ventures (S
scale). They are frequently offered on Ebay as factory painted and assembled,
along with Jerry's '37 AAR steel boxcar. Both are nice cars, especially the '37
AAR car."

You mean these?
http://www.goldcoastrailway.com/kit.html

However, Ben's question implies there are other TT scale SS boxcar models on the
market.


Ben Hom


that one is the fowler clone car, offered by gold coast models. it is very nice; my first one arrived tonight. it is not offered though for many roads that owned the type; i think it is most correct for D&RGW. the rock island had some very similar cars with a slightly different roof with 18 rather than 15 mullions as on the gold coast car. there's an article online about making that version in O scale.

i wonder if a lot of what are called 'fowler clones' are mixed up with other howe truss designs. the georgia & florida cars for example are listed as howe truss boxcars by sunshine kits but by others called fowler clones ... or are a howe truss boxcar and a fowler clone one and the same?

boxcars available in TT are limited to the 1937 AAR car, the fowler mentioned above, the USRA composite end car built by RailTT in the ukraine, a 50' railbox produced by one of the TTnut 'locals' and really that's about it. a couple of boxcars have surfaced on shapeways.

increasingly though, upsizes of Z or N scale models in 'frosted ultra detail' material on shapeways seems to be a way for TT scale modellers to get a few wagons. two N scale designers are doing that now, TT scale ore jennies having surfaced in the last few days.

though i applaud this, it does rather mean that TT might end up a scale well provided with oddities rather than the basics; as the N & Z scale shapeways producers tend to make niche things that aren't already offered RTR in their scales.

ben


CB&Q FM decals

Chad Boas
 

All,
Jerry Hamsmith has decals for both my FM14 and Sunshine's 45' flats. The sheet will do 2 cars and is $3 a sheet. Contact him for ordering info at hammersr@... .
I also posted a photo in the my flat car photo file.
Thanks, Chad Boas


Jack Delano's Photo on the cover of Mainline Modeler

Bill Welch
 

I remember quite vividly when I first saw the cover of MM years ago with the photo of Proviso Yard and how it influenced my interests.

Link: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsac/item/fsa1992000708/PP/resource/

In many ways this image is iconic to me. I think I knew that there were many types of house cars and paint colors and subtle variations of weathering but somehow that image encapsulated for me the rich pallet (maybe canvas is the better word) that modeling freight cars offered. Coupled w/John Nehrich's "Shop Talks" they hooked me in both an intellectual way as well in the "gut" that adds up to being very satisfied.

I spent the afternoon downloading the Tiff versions of the freight car photos and running them through Photo Shop. I think I will make them one of my desktop and screen saver folders.

Bill Welch


Re: Delano photograph of LCL house in Chicago

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Oh, you must mean shoot sheet film (4x5) using Kodachrome???


 
Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA



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From: MICHAELCALO3403 <michaelcalo3403@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Delano photograph of LCL house in Chicago


 


Thanks for the link, Ray - a lot of good pitures there, particularly the PRR ore docks with the Hewlett ("Hulett") ore unloader. 

One picture, though, shows how really old this collection is: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsac/item/fsa1992001554/PP/resource/  .  There is NO WAY you could do this today.

Wow.

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From: "Ray Breyer" rtbsvrr69@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 9:38:46 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Delano photograph of LCL house in Chicago

 

Alternatively, you could go directly to the source for these images, and bypass the thieves at Shorpy completely:
 
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=railroad&co=fsac&st=gallery

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

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Re: Meat Reefer

Bill Schneider
 

He still is... Hopeful that is. But Tony’s correct, you may want to inhale a few times.... ;>)

The factory is still digging through Canadian and FP9 production, among other things, and the reefer just can’t seem to get the last little bits completed because of the backlog. Knowing that I would be going to Cocoa next week (wearing my Hawaiian print flak jacket) I’ve asked the factory for some more definitive answers than “working on it”. The last sample (three weeks ago) was hopeful, but since then the silence has been deafening.

This, of course, is a frustration to me on more than just a professional level. If you remember, we chose this project in large part because I need them!

Thanks for your patience and understanding.,.. or at least just not throwing things too hard if you see me!

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains

From: Jon Miller
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 3:25 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Meat Reefer


On 1/4/2013 12:17 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Bill Schneider is the right guy to answer
I seem to remember, at a convention, a couple of years ago that Bill was
hopeful!!!:-D :-D

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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Re: Meat Reefer

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 1/4/2013 12:17 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Bill Schneider is the right guy to answer
I seem to remember, at a convention, a couple of years ago that Bill was
hopeful!!!:-D :-D

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Meat Reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jon Miller wrote:
Current status of the Rapido 37" meat reefer????
Bill Schneider is the right guy to answer. But the Rapido web page for these cars hasn't changed for months. Rapido, of course, has been kind of overwhelmed by their "Canadian" train project. They do update the "expected arrival" of the meat reefers from time to time, always pushing it farther back into the future. It currently says "early 2013." I do not recommend holding of the breath.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Meat Reefer

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Current status of the Rapido 37" meat reefer????


--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Intermountain semi-scale 33" wheelsets

Andy Carlson
 

I am offering HO Intermountain #40052 wheelsets--12 packs of semi-scale code 88
33" freight car wheelsets. Made with blackened turned nickel silver.

$7.00/12pack (enough axles for 3 freight cars). Shipping is $2.25 and up,
depending on weight. Purchase 18 packs, and I will pay for Priority Mail
shipping (That is enough wheels for 54 cars).

Interested? Contact me off-list @ <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Delano photograph of LCL house in Chicago

MICHAELCALO3403 <michaelcalo3403@...>
 

Thanks for the link, Ray - a lot of good pitures there, particularly the PRR ore docks with the Hewlett ("Hulett") ore unloader. 

One picture, though, shows how really old this collection is: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsac/item/fsa1992001554/PP/resource/  .  There is NO WAY you could do this today.


Wow.

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From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 9:38:46 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Delano photograph of LCL house in Chicago

 




Alternatively, you could go directly to the source for these images, and bypass the thieves at Shorpy completely:
 
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=railroad&co=fsac&st=gallery

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Re: DT&I lease of PRR X26c boxcars

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Thanks, guys.
This all helps.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "erict1361" wrote:


Pierre,

It looks like DT&I received the cars in 1953. I have a few photos and the Main Line Modeler Diagrams from an F&C X26c Instruction sheet. I can scan and email you them if that is what you are looking for? Please email me off list.

Eric Thur



--- In STMFC@..., "brian" wrote:

Pierre, are you looking for photos? Try the July 1988 issue of Mainline Modeler, page 56. Side, end and 3/4 views of DT&I 104452, circa 4-53.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Delano photograph of LCL house in Chicago

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

<Alternatively, you could go directly to the source for these images, and
<bypass the thieves at Shorpy completely:
<
<http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=railroad&co=fsac&st=gallery
<
<Ray Breyer
<Elgin, IL

These photos are all in the public domain and anyone has the right to
publish them, etc. If you go to this Time magazine site:

http://lightbox.time.com/2013/01/02/the-past-comes-alive-history-in-high-def
inition/#1
<http://lightbox.time.com/2013/01/02/the-past-comes-alive-history-in-high-de
finition/%231>

...and scroll down to the article under the lead photo, you'll learn (as I
did a day or two ago) that the person behind Shorpy does more than just post
the photos...the scans in the Library of Congress have not been color
corrected or had the levels adjusted. Compare the original scans of Delano's
images in the Library of Congress and those on Shorpy's site and you can see
the difference.

Jack Burgess


Re: DT&I lease of PRR X26c boxcars

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Pierre,

It looks like DT&I received the cars in 1953. I have a few photos and the Main Line Modeler Diagrams from an F&C X26c Instruction sheet. I can scan and email you them if that is what you are looking for? Please email me off list.

Eric Thur

--- In STMFC@..., "brian" wrote:

Pierre, are you looking for photos? Try the July 1988 issue of Mainline Modeler, page 56. Side, end and 3/4 views of DT&I 104452, circa 4-53.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: DT&I lease of PRR X26c boxcars

brianleppert@att.net
 

Pierre, are you looking for photos? Try the July 1988 issue of Mainline Modeler, page 56. Side, end and 3/4 views of DT&I 104452, circa 4-53.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas

wdzwonchyk
 

Thanks, Rich. I've been trying to find a way to get in touch with him for two years!
Wayne M. Dzwonchyk

--- In STMFC@..., "Richard Yoder" wrote:

Keith R. email is
frecklesearnhardtbear@...
Sincerely,
Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
wdzwonchyk
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:25 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas

Great! Would you mind sharing his contact information with the members of
the group?
Wayne M. Dzwonchyk

--- In STMFC@..., "Richard Yoder" wrote:

Not True!
I Also heard that rumor this past summer but Have communicated with him
since.
Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Todd Horton
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:52 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas

I think Keith passed away, I can't confirm that but that's what I heard.


Todd Horton


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Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 4:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas




I understand that the Standard Steel Car Company (SSCC) photo archives
were
in the collection of Keith Retterer of Marietta, GA. Does anyone know
him
or how I can get in touch with him. Thanks.

Chuck Davis

Norfolk, VA










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Re: Delano photograph of LCL house in Chicago

Ray Breyer
 

Alternatively, you could go directly to the source for these images, and bypass the thieves at Shorpy completely:
 
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=railroad&co=fsac&st=gallery

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


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From: "tgregmrtn@..." <tgregmrtn@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Delano photograph of LCL house in Chicago

Schuyler,

Here is the link, go the left and click the Delano link and you find  it.

_http://www.junipergallery.com/historical_railroad_photos_
(http://www.junipergallery.com/historical_railroad_photos)

See you at the beach next week.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through  it.
Norman Maclean 
, schuyler.larrabee@... writes:




I am sure that many of you know the photograph I'm referring to. I  cannot
find it on line. Can any one of you provide a pointer to the photo.  I think
it is a LofC photo, but could not find it  tonight.

Thanks

Schuyler








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Re: DT&I lease of PRR X26c boxcars

al_brown03
 

39 cars in 1/53 ORER, equipped for auto parts loading, individual numbers listed.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" wrote:

Pierre Oliver asked:
"Can someone provide a little history of this car lease?
Time, duration, etc?
And maybe a really brief look at the actual cars?"

From Dave Mikulec's DT&I website
http://dti.railfan.net/Equipment_Database/ORERindex.html

DT&I 104326-107113, 39 cars in 1/1954 ORER, 73 cars in 1/54 and 1/55 ORER. None in 7/1950 or 7/1958 ORER; gaps in ORER coverage 1951-1953 and 1956-1957 on webpage. Cars equipped for auto parts loading; individual car numbers listed in DT&I ORER entry.

I'll check my photo collection tonight; IIRC, I have a photo of one of these cars from Rich Burg's collection.


Ben Hom


Re: DT&I lease of PRR X26c boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Pierre Oliver asked:
"Can someone provide a little history of this car lease?
Time, duration, etc?
And maybe a really brief look at the actual cars?"

From Dave Mikulec's DT&I website
http://dti.railfan.net/Equipment_Database/ORERindex.html

DT&I 104326-107113, 39 cars in 1/1954 ORER, 73 cars in 1/54 and 1/55 ORER. None in 7/1950 or 7/1958 ORER; gaps in ORER coverage 1951-1953 and 1956-1957 on webpage. Cars equipped for auto parts loading; individual car numbers listed in DT&I ORER entry.

I'll check my photo collection tonight; IIRC, I have a photo of one of these cars from Rich Burg's collection.


Ben Hom


Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas

Rich Yoder
 

Keith R. email is
frecklesearnhardtbear@...
Sincerely,
Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
wdzwonchyk
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:25 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas

Great! Would you mind sharing his contact information with the members of
the group?
Wayne M. Dzwonchyk

--- In STMFC@..., "Richard Yoder" wrote:

Not True!
I Also heard that rumor this past summer but Have communicated with him
since.
Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Todd Horton
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:52 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas

I think Keith passed away, I can't confirm that but that's what I heard.


Todd Horton


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From: Layout Tour
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 4:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas




I understand that the Standard Steel Car Company (SSCC) photo archives
were
in the collection of Keith Retterer of Marietta, GA. Does anyone know
him
or how I can get in touch with him. Thanks.

Chuck Davis

Norfolk, VA










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