--- In STMFC@..., "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@> wrote:

Thanks for the reply, but I don't think a car rebuilt in 1940 would have a diagonal panel roof or post war type Youngstown doors. I guess something slipped in the caption, unless the cars were rebuilt twice.

Hi Pieter,

I agree with your observation. I was suspicious of this caption myself (and there are other typos on that page), but I haven't been able to find a more authoritative source. IF the rebuild date could be established to be post-1947 my guess would be that the 1st generation "For Progress" in white on box car brown would have been the delivery scheme.

The 1953 ORER does list:

289350 to 290349 All Steel XM (548 total), as well as
259350 to 290349 Steel Underframe XM (69 total) which are referred to as Class "B" construction

Maybe the rebuilding took place over a period of several years?

Regards,

Charles Hostetler

...In STMFC@..., "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@> wrote:

A couple of questions: the article says the cars were converted from Pere Marquette auto cars in number series 89359-90349 "in the early 1950s". Does someone have a more exact date?

Also, the illustrations show a prototype car in black paint with white "for Progress" lettering, and the model is freight car brown with white "for Progress" which the author states is 1960's lettering. What would the paint scheme have been when first rebuilt?

Hi Pieter,

In David Hickcox's C&O Color Guide there's a photo of C&O 289471 attributed to the Mike Del Vecchio Collection taken at an unknown location in 1955. The caption says

"Rebuilt in 1940, the 289471 has an inside length of 40'6"..."

The car is heavily weathered and the reweigh date is not legible (to me anyway). The lettering is a white 1st generation "For Progress" on freight car brown. The P&L in the photo may date as early as late 1940s but not 1940 (if the caption is correct about the rebuild date).

Not a complete answer but I just happened to be working on this book when I saw your query.

Regards,

Charles Hostetler

John,

I have the Trident model on the shelf, ready to build, along with an earlier LCVP from a different company. Since they are slightly different in size, they'll need to not go next to each other in a train <G>. Now to find the time to build the kits, build the flats for them to go on and mount the loads. Since I'm talking about these types of loads at the NMRA national in Atlanta, I guess I have a deadline ;^)


Regards

Bruce


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On Sep 24, 2012, at 1:50 AM, northbaylines@...<mailto:northbaylines@...> wrote:

Bruce,

You are most likely correct regarding an in-plant move. Notice the lack of propellors on the shafts and incomplete deck houses. It would still make an impressive model, even if not used in service.

What are documented loads transported to the east and west coasts, sometimes in large blocks of cars, are LCVP and LCM landing craft. The SP Trainline issue on WWII has a photo of a string of flats loaded with LCVPs in an SP train over Donner Pass.

Trident makes HO scale resin replicas of both craft. Very pricey for a unit train but at least available accurately scaled.

John Barry
Cotati, CA
--- In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>, "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@> wrote:

Folks, John,

Very cool photo. But before you go running off to model this PT boat, you might want to do a little more investigating. For example, the PT-201, being a Higgins 78' class, had a beam of slightly over 20'. A close examination of the photo of PT-210 confirms that it extends substantially over the sides of the car. Such a load would be extremely difficult to transport any distance and therefore is most likely being readied for or from a local move (in plant, or perhaps from plant to water for launch). It seems unlikely to me that this PT boat traveled any distance at all by rail.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: [STMFC] Photo of PT on SP flat

An interesting wartime load. Photo was taken at the Higgens shipyard in Louisianna circa 1942 of PT201 on flat car SP 79571. See the photo on my blog at:
http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html#!/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html

Does anyoe make a model of this 53 foot flat?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA

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Folks, John,

Very cool photo. But before you go running off to model this PT boat, you might want to do a little more investigating. For example, the PT-201, being a Higgins 78' class, had a beam of slightly over 20'. A close examination of the photo of PT-210 confirms that it extends substantially over the sides of the car. Such a load would be extremely difficult to transport any distance and therefore is most likely being readied for or from a local move (in plant, or perhaps from plant to water for launch). It seems unlikely to me that this PT boat traveled any distance at all by rail.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of John Barry [northbaylines@...]
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To: Espee@...; SouthernPacific@...; STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Photo of PT on SP flat

An interesting wartime load. Photo was taken at the Higgens shipyard in Louisianna circa 1942 of PT201 on flat car SP 79571. See the photo on my blog at:
http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html#!/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html

Does anyoe make a model of this 53 foot flat?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA

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you have lost Michigan State U Prof Eugene Huddleston (whose collections are "slowly" going to the C&O Historical Society for scanning and originals are then going to the Bentley Library U of Michigan Transportation Library in Ann Arbor)



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you have, from train show vendor table conversations a few years ago, the collection s of Bob Lorenz  that are in a "limbo" situation where Bob has changed his interests from developing and printing from negatives towards oil painting.

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Romeo, Michigan



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From: "Thomas Baker" <bakert@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:51:33 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Photo and negative collections

Over the past several years, we have lost a number of photographers and/or collectors of photos and negatives.  Does anyone know what has become of the collections of the following:

1. John Hummeston [I'm not sure of the spelling, but I understand he had a signficiant number of photos and negatives.]

2. Robert Malinoski from the Pittsburgh area.  I'm not sure about the spelling there either, but he also took many photos and slides.

3. Bill Raia purchased many photo and negative collections from others and was a great source of prototypical information.  What has happened to his collection?

Tom

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My point here is that we need to be waaaaaay more specific than "Klasing." Personally I'd like to see good renditions of the 525 and 525-A as well as the 700 lever hand brake but I'd really like to know which specific Klasing hand brake interests you.

Please email me off-list as I doubt the others are ready for this level of detail.

Gene Green